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 Threw my hat into the ring with a Century Golani Sporter
kargo27  [Member]
11/26/2010 6:48:04 PM
Picked it up today today. Bud's Gun Shop ships fast, it was at my FFL on Wednesday and I'd ordered it on Monday.

SN is GLN043XX, manufacture date 10/08/2010.

Action seems to be good, front sight not canted. Gave it a good cleaning which it desperately needed. Lots of machining grit and grime. The cover is a b*tch to put back on though. I had to tap it with a rubber mallet to get it back into place. Haven't shot it yet, range report after I do.
gewamser  [Member]
11/28/2010 12:37:56 PM
The cover is tight on purpose to assure that the rear site stays put. I recomend lightly polishing your feed ramp and chamber with a dremel and Flitz. Do not be surprised if your mags need "tweaking" to fit properly. Keep it well lubed with light grease. Expect to take some time at the bench registering the front and rear site as a diopeter circle within a circle. Clean your mags out real good, many are also gunked with cosmo. Expect energetic extraction to the front right, with a dent in each casing. This is normal. Get a good 50" sling for it, hopefully Israeli surplus, with the big steel hooks. With a little luck and some basic gun care it may surprise you how accurate and reliable a Golani can be! It is one of my favorite rifles.
kargo27  [Member]
11/28/2010 6:46:50 PM
Originally Posted By gewamser:
The cover is tight on purpose to assure that the rear site stays put. I recomend lightly polishing your feed ramp and chamber with a dremel and Flitz. Do not be surprised if your mags need "tweaking" to fit properly. Keep it well lubed with light grease. Expect to take some time at the bench registering the front and rear site as a diopeter circle within a circle. Clean your mags out real good, many are also gunked with cosmo. Expect energetic extraction to the front right, with a dent in each casing. This is normal. Get a good 50" sling for it, hopefully Israeli surplus, with the big steel hooks. With a little luck and some basic gun care it may surprise you how accurate and reliable a Golani can be! It is one of my favorite rifles.


Thank you, gewamser.

I did give the rifle and mags a thorough cleaning when I got them. One of the mags had sand on/in it.

I was wrong about the sights, it does appear that the front is canted a bit.

I took it to the range today. I shot both Academy Sports house brand brass (soft point) and Silver Bear lacquered hollow point. I had no feeding issues and shot about 80-100 rounds. No FTF or FTE, however, after hand cycling I noticed that the soft point ammo tip is sheered at a 45 degree angle about 1mm down. The hollow point didn't seem to be as affected but I can tell it's rubbing on something before chambering.

I'm very surprised that I didn't get any feeding issues because of that tip contact. The range I go to only allows soft and hollow point. I would have liked to seen how FMJ is affected. I can just hand cycle some I guess.

Another disappointing thing is that I ran out out of elevation adjustment to zero my sights. I turned the adjustment clockwise as far as my sight tool would allow but when using a laser bore sight I couldn't get the laser dot above the front sight post. I'm going to send it to Tenngalil and have him look it over.

I really like the rifle and picked it up for about $600. With all the horror stories I've heard about Century, I'm not going to send it back to them unless it's deemed by Tenngalil to be unfixable. With Century I fear a bunch of back and forth shipping charges and I'd rather send it to a smith who knows what he's doing. I'm figuring it in as part of the cost in owning this rifle.

CA_TX-Cop  [Life Member]
11/28/2010 7:10:27 PM
Nice...

I'm still enjoying my home-build Galil. Bought a parts kit and an ORF receiver awhile back, finally got the bugs worked out and just finished attaching the FH this week. Now I need to decide how I'm going to finish it, rattle-can or something else.
kargo27  [Member]
11/28/2010 7:33:57 PM
Originally Posted By CA_TX-Cop:
Nice...

I'm still enjoying my home-build Galil. Bought a parts kit and an ORF receiver awhile back, finally got the bugs worked out and just finished attaching the FH this week. Now I need to decide how I'm going to finish it, rattle-can or something else.


That sounds like a cool project! I've built AR's but no AK's or these.

Was it tough? I've heard on AK's using stamped receivers, you need a jig and to be able to rivet. I guess you didn't need the jig because these receivers are milled/cast but did you have to rivet? I'd love to hear about the process.
CA_TX-Cop  [Life Member]
11/29/2010 11:47:21 AM
Milled receiver, barrel threaded in, just had to make sure the alignment and headspace were correct, drilling the gas port in the barrel, and setting parts onto it, but no press fitting or anything, just drilling and pinning.

Rivets were only for the bullet guide and trigger guard. Rear stock is pinned on as well.

I just had issues with the trigger guard and magazine fit, also getting it reliable after putting it all together, shooting it in and making sure everything worked.

There were several threads here on "How to" back in the day.
drumenigma  [Member]
11/29/2010 4:25:24 PM
Originally Posted By kargo27:
Originally Posted By gewamser:
The cover is tight on purpose to assure that the rear site stays put. I recomend lightly polishing your feed ramp and chamber with a dremel and Flitz. Do not be surprised if your mags need "tweaking" to fit properly. Keep it well lubed with light grease. Expect to take some time at the bench registering the front and rear site as a diopeter circle within a circle. Clean your mags out real good, many are also gunked with cosmo. Expect energetic extraction to the front right, with a dent in each casing. This is normal. Get a good 50" sling for it, hopefully Israeli surplus, with the big steel hooks. With a little luck and some basic gun care it may surprise you how accurate and reliable a Golani can be! It is one of my favorite rifles.


Thank you, gewamser.

I did give the rifle and mags a thorough cleaning when I got them. One of the mags had sand on/in it.

I was wrong about the sights, it does appear that the front is canted a bit.

I took it to the range today. I shot both Academy Sports house brand brass (soft point) and Silver Bear lacquered hollow point. I had no feeding issues and shot about 80-100 rounds. No FTF or FTE, however, after hand cycling I noticed that the soft point ammo tip is sheered at a 45 degree angle about 1mm down. The hollow point didn't seem to be as affected but I can tell it's rubbing on something before chambering.

I'm very surprised that I didn't get any feeding issues because of that tip contact. The range I go to only allows soft and hollow point. I would have liked to seen how FMJ is affected. I can just hand cycle some I guess.

Another disappointing thing is that I ran out out of elevation adjustment to zero my sights. I turned the adjustment clockwise as far as my sight tool would allow but when using a laser bore sight I couldn't get the laser dot above the front sight post. I'm going to send it to Tenngalil and have him look it over.

I really like the rifle and picked it up for about $600. With all the horror stories I've heard about Century, I'm not going to send it back to them unless it's deemed by Tenngalil to be unfixable. With Century I fear a bunch of back and forth shipping charges and I'd rather send it to a smith who knows what he's doing. I'm figuring it in as part of the cost in owning this rifle.



My understanding from seeing a post by Tennagalil was that the gun was designed to cycle FMJ and it may not like HP or SP ammo.
kargo27  [Member]
11/29/2010 7:36:49 PM
Originally Posted By drumenigma:
My understanding from seeing a post by Tennagalil was that the gun was designed to cycle FMJ and it may not like HP or SP ammo.


That's a good point. I'm going to hand cycle some and see if it marrs the tip of FMJ and get back to you.
597newbie  [Member]
11/29/2010 8:11:29 PM
I bought this sling and love it!

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Tenngalil  [Member]
11/30/2010 8:29:49 AM
The shaving thing is normal.
Sometimes i can jack up the feed ramp and get rid of some if not all of that- sometimes i can't.
Just depends on the rec./bolt clearance.
The IMIs usually didn't have a problem with any ammo.

The sight thing is an issue.
i have one here now with the exact same problem.
i checked the barrel from cent. and they had tried bending it to line up the sights.
i put a new barrel on- problem was a lot worse.
Checked the run out on the barrel/rec. and the trunnion threads were off angle at 18-20 degrees down and right.
Bored out the trunnion threads, made a sleeve and pressed it in.
Rethread and put it back together-barrel in now within .003 of exact centerline alignment.
Problem is i still have to adjust the front sight all the way down but it's only 4-6 in. below zero at 50 yards not digging a ditch in front of the target..
The rest of the rec. is off now that i have a known line to go from.
i'm planning to cut the rear sight body off the top cover and put a shim in to raise the sight line but the geometry of the rec. is off and the bolt carrier is binding on the rails.
If you have a Galoni with the same sight problem send it back to Century and let them replace the rifle- short of a scope i can't see a way to fix the rec. without a lot of work and $.
kargo27  [Member]
11/30/2010 1:39:07 PM
Well, it's off to Jeff (TennGalil) for an expert evaluation. If he can't fix it, it's going back to Century.

I rolled the dice with this knowing all the warnings so I'm not mad. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. C'est la vie.
wulkyrie  [Member]
12/1/2010 2:48:29 PM
Originally Posted By kargo27:
Well, it's off to Jeff (TennGalil) for an expert evaluation. If he can't fix it, it's going back to Century.

I rolled the dice with this knowing all the warnings so I'm not mad. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. C'est la vie.


Do you have a contact address/# for Tenngalil? Website?
597newbie  [Member]
12/1/2010 8:25:48 PM
shaving off tip of soft point rounds when cycle is normal (as was said above)

and you are probably in DFW if you can only shoot sp/hp ammo. I made a website for fmj shooters in dfw http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=12&f=4

afrcom range library. about 4 links give you searches to help out. gibsons outpost in mesquite and www.topgunshootingclub.com north of mckinney are both fmj ranges
kargo27  [Member]
12/2/2010 12:16:44 AM
Originally Posted By 597newbie:
shaving off tip of soft point rounds when cycle is normal (as was said above)

and you are probably in DFW if you can only shoot sp/hp ammo. I made a website for fmj shooters in dfw http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=12&f=4

afrcom range library. about 4 links give you searches to help out. gibsons outpost in mesquite and www.topgunshootingclub.com north of mckinney are both fmj ranges


Very perceptive and you are CORRECT! I'm in Ft. Worth and usually go to Quail Creek shooting range. It looks like most of the FMJ ranges are on the east side of the metroplex. Bummer. Too far from where I live.

Are you in DFW, too?
kargo27  [Member]
12/2/2010 12:27:35 AM
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
Do you have a contact address/# for Tenngalil? Website?


PM sent, check your inbox.

BTW, he posted in this thread, 2 posts above yours. That's him (Tenngalil).
wulkyrie  [Member]
12/4/2010 2:40:53 AM
Originally Posted By kargo27:
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
Do you have a contact address/# for Tenngalil? Website?


PM sent, check your inbox.

BTW, he posted in this thread, 2 posts above yours. That's him (Tenngalil).


Thanks for the info.

I email J&G Sales sometime in October asking them about the most recent batch of Golani and I was told that the serial # prefix was GAL (ORF receiver???). However your Golani was manufactured in OCT and the prefix is GLN. I am confused. Can any body explain what is going on w/ the receiver? May be Jeff can enlighten us?
wulkyrie  [Member]
12/4/2010 2:42:02 AM
double post
Banshee35  [Member]
12/4/2010 2:44:26 AM
I bought one from J&G about two years ago and it is the GLN prefix
Silkyjla30  [Member]
12/6/2010 8:11:57 PM
Originally Posted By Banshee35:
I bought one from J&G about two years ago and it is the GLN prefix


How does it operate? I'm looking at a century one. It's the only one in budget for me.
Banshee35  [Member]
12/7/2010 2:09:43 AM
No problems with it other than it dents the hell out of cases so I shoot Wolf out of it so I don't care. The only issue with mine is the stock is kinda sloppy when folded and it allows it to hit against the receiver. In shipping this happened and screwed up the finish a bit but it didn't really bother me.
kargo27  [Member]
12/7/2010 9:12:40 AM
UPDATE:

Tenngalil said my Golani is unrepairable. So, it's going back to Bud's Gun Shop for refund. Disappointing, since it cycled well.

If I'd thought this was an isolated case, I'd just ask for an exchange, but TG said that he's had 3 rifles with the same problem as mine in lately. So, I'm guessing there was a run of bad assembly at Century.

I opted for the Blackthorne ARM Galil kit, and TG is going to build one for me. It will be significantly more than a Golani but with this issue and the others TG had seen recently, I feared headache after headache if I got on the Century exchange wagon.

If you're going to buy a Golani, I wish you luck. I'm now 50/50 with Century products. I got 2 Romy WASR's that were fine, but a C93 (HK93 clone) and this Golani both had major problems. The C93 was repairable by a gunsmith, but barely, and needed about $250 worth of work on a $500 rifle including a new barrel being pressed, as well as some other stuff I can't remember.
Silkyjla30  [Member]
12/7/2010 2:57:29 PM
THat sucks man. I really want a Golani, but I will be holding off for sure after this report.


TennGalil....do you have a website?
kargo27  [Member]
12/7/2010 10:00:07 PM
Originally Posted By Silkyjla30:
THat sucks man. I really want a Golani, but I will be holding off for sure after this report.


If you can find one lightly used, by a reputable seller who's verified it shoots straight and feeds fine, go for it! Just be careful about buying one sight-unseen.

Heck even mine looked ok, I couldn't tell it was canted just by looking at it.
Silkyjla30  [Member]
12/8/2010 9:41:51 AM
Yea, I was selling an Upper to get finding for the Galil. I predicts ARs will be around awhile, I don't know that that's the case with Galil's and AK variants
Will  [Team Member]
12/15/2010 10:42:46 AM
Here is the solution to this problem-

http://www.hendersondefense.com/store/pc/Century-Certified-Golani-Sporter-12p113.htm

They carefully inspect every rifle, they tack on a charge for this service of course so the rifle is going to cost you maybe $50-100 more than a dealer Century....but you know when you order it that it will run 100% correct from day one. This is what I have done with every Century I have ordered within the last two years. Two Fals, two Wasrs, a Draco and a Galil- all 100% in every way. Worth the money.
kargo27  [Member]
12/15/2010 8:03:51 PM
Great point, Will. I've heard great things about Henderson Defense. That price was only about $10 more than the one I bought from Bud's. Oops, edit, they charge 2.95% credit card charge. Ends up being an extra $17 added. Still, it's worth it because that would easily get eaten up in a return shipping charge.
VeritasAQ  [Team Member]
12/23/2010 6:43:59 PM
I just spent yesterday afternoon fixing my century galil.

Welded a tab onto the mag catch so now it actually functions will all the mags I have for it.

Otherwise, I haven't had any issues with it.
kargo27  [Member]
1/6/2011 10:13:38 AM
Originally Posted By Will:
Here is the solution to this problem-

http://www.hendersondefense.com/store/pc/Century-Certified-Golani-Sporter-12p113.htm

They carefully inspect every rifle, they tack on a charge for this service of course so the rifle is going to cost you maybe $50-100 more than a dealer Century....but you know when you order it that it will run 100% correct from day one. This is what I have done with every Century I have ordered within the last two years. Two Fals, two Wasrs, a Draco and a Galil- all 100% in every way. Worth the money.


UPDATE:

I ordered one from Henderson Defense and Will is right. It shot great out of the box and I could sight it in with no problems.

I ran steel cased Tula HP and it shot well for 80 rounds then I'd get a jam with the fired case being stuck in the chamber and would have to be knocked out using a rod down the barrel. However, .223 doesn't have a very tapered profile compared to 5.45 and 7.62x39 which is more forgiving and easier to extract. I'm going to try some brass and see it that makes a difference. I did clean the rifle prior to shooting, btw.
Will  [Team Member]
1/6/2011 10:21:36 AM
I ran steel cased Tula HP and it shot well for 80 rounds then I'd get a jam with the fired case being stuck in the chamber and would have to be knocked out using a rod down the barrel. However, .223 doesn't have a very tapered profile compared to 5.45 and 7.62x39 which is more forgiving and easier to extract. I'm going to try some brass and see it that makes a difference. I did clean the rifle prior to shooting, btw.


Mine runs the Wolf/Tula Steel case without issue. You might have a rough chamber, the gun, after all is basically an AK and has a real extractor on it, it should be able to run steel without problems. I'm glad you are otherwise happy with the rifle but I would get that checked out and if it's a problem give them a call. They'll make it right.
kargo27  [Member]
1/6/2011 8:49:46 PM
Originally Posted By Will:
I ran steel cased Tula HP and it shot well for 80 rounds then I'd get a jam with the fired case being stuck in the chamber and would have to be knocked out using a rod down the barrel. However, .223 doesn't have a very tapered profile compared to 5.45 and 7.62x39 which is more forgiving and easier to extract. I'm going to try some brass and see it that makes a difference. I did clean the rifle prior to shooting, btw.


Mine runs the Wolf/Tula Steel case without issue. You might have a rough chamber, the gun, after all is basically an AK and has a real extractor on it, it should be able to run steel without problems. I'm glad you are otherwise happy with the rifle but I would get that checked out and if it's a problem give them a call. They'll make it right.


That's what I was thinking, too. On the uzitalk forum, someone suggested polishing the chamber. Any tips on how to do that? I read on another site to use some 640(?) grit sandpaper wrapped around a dowel inserted into a drill and to run it for about 45 seconds. It's supposed to be mild enough to keep the chamber in round (not out of round).

Will  [Team Member]
1/7/2011 8:15:05 AM
I'd have a smith look at it. Sure, you might get lucky and get it polished out correctly but if you fuck it up you've probably voided your warranty and barrels aren't cheap, especially when paying to have them installed etc....If it's rough enough to catch the cases you should be able to see it. Strip the gun and use a dental mirror if you don't have a chamber mirror.
kargo27  [Member]
1/7/2011 9:33:06 AM
Originally Posted By Will:
I'd have a smith look at it. Sure, you might get lucky and get it polished out correctly but if you fuck it up you've probably voided your warranty and barrels aren't cheap, especially when paying to have them installed etc....If it's rough enough to catch the cases you should be able to see it. Strip the gun and use a dental mirror if you don't have a chamber mirror.


Good point! After I posted this I got some other advice to just use a scotch brite pad soaked in WD40 on a dowel. I couldn't see that damaging anything. What do you think about that?
Will  [Team Member]
1/7/2011 9:42:45 AM
Check it first. We may not have the right problem, could be an extractor etc......Check the chamber with a mirror etc....If it's rough, then you know that's part of the problem. One thing at a time and try to avoid drastic action if possible.
gewamser  [Member]
1/8/2011 6:32:54 AM
I just used Flitz on a hard cotton Dremel pad for mine...worked well.
kargo27  [Member]
1/8/2011 9:54:25 AM
Originally Posted By gewamser:
I just used Flitz on a hard cotton Dremel pad for mine...worked well.


Even better idea! I have the Dremel and a bunch of accessories.

It was tough to get the scotch brite to stay on the wooden dowel. I used some packing tape to hold it and tried a few different techniques, but tape doesn't hold well to a porous scotch brite pad.
hkusp  [Member]
1/19/2011 8:57:52 PM
The accuracy of my GLN model is horrible with military grade ammo. I'm going to try some MOA reloads this spring. Then if accuracy still sucks, I'll have Tenngalil look at it. Worst case, I'll sell it cheap this summer.
Banshee35  [Member]
1/23/2011 11:16:57 AM
It is after all an AK platform and running surplus ammo, I don't know how much I would expect from it as it's really just designed to be minute of man. ARs have spoiled us all for service grade rifles!