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AK stupid...need education
1/6/2009 5:59:28 PM
Got a few AR's, might need to add an AK. Think I would prefer a milled, (not sure how "important" this is) more European AK rather than Asian. Will either go wood with fixed stock or all synthetic with side folder. Not interested in 5.56 or 5.45.
Got a few quick questions:
- Who are the top leading manufacturers and their price ranges?
- Why do Saiga's seem so inexpensive when Izhmash is essentially the equivalent of Armalite / Colt? (Are they not?)
- Think I've seen 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R examples. If correct, pros / cons?
- Think 39 is about half the cost of 5.56 is it not?
- Any questions to ask when buying / trading for one?
Thanks!!!
Got a few quick questions:
- Who are the top leading manufacturers and their price ranges?
- Why do Saiga's seem so inexpensive when Izhmash is essentially the equivalent of Armalite / Colt? (Are they not?)
- Think I've seen 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R examples. If correct, pros / cons?
- Think 39 is about half the cost of 5.56 is it not?
- Any questions to ask when buying / trading for one?
Thanks!!!
1/6/2009 9:56:08 PM
DISCLAIMER; I am not now nor have I ever been an AK expert and am still a newbie myself.
From what I have seen and been told the top makers would be Arsenal, K-Var, and Krebs. There price range is I believe on par with most upper tier Ars, but well worth it! The saiga can be up there just depends on who did the AK conversion.
The 54R guns I believe are only available in the PSL (which vary in quality greatly). Were the 7.62x39 are available in almost every conservable configuration, have hicap mags, and is domestically produced (incase of imports being cut off). Unfortunately 7.62x39 is running about $275+ per case of a thousand rounds at the moment. As far as I know, when buying one ask to strip it down and look for wear, any cant in the gas tube and, front sight. Some may have some mag wobble, so look for that to. Also try not to trade any other assult rifles for one right now, unless you have one like it (you may have to pay out the butt should you decide to replace it down the line). I’m sure I left something out, and please correct me if I am wrong on anything.
From what I have seen and been told the top makers would be Arsenal, K-Var, and Krebs. There price range is I believe on par with most upper tier Ars, but well worth it! The saiga can be up there just depends on who did the AK conversion.
The 54R guns I believe are only available in the PSL (which vary in quality greatly). Were the 7.62x39 are available in almost every conservable configuration, have hicap mags, and is domestically produced (incase of imports being cut off). Unfortunately 7.62x39 is running about $275+ per case of a thousand rounds at the moment. As far as I know, when buying one ask to strip it down and look for wear, any cant in the gas tube and, front sight. Some may have some mag wobble, so look for that to. Also try not to trade any other assult rifles for one right now, unless you have one like it (you may have to pay out the butt should you decide to replace it down the line). I’m sure I left something out, and please correct me if I am wrong on anything.
1/6/2009 11:28:13 PM
Thanks man, not much activity over here it seems. Definitely going with 39 then.
- Is it worth going to a stamped receiver so as to not require an additional US made part?
- What are other common US parts that are swapped in order to be compliant?
- I assume the Tapco stuff is junk compared to the original parts or are there better alternatives?
- Why did my Yugo M24/47 not require the same compliance?
- Is it worth going to a stamped receiver so as to not require an additional US made part?
- What are other common US parts that are swapped in order to be compliant?
- I assume the Tapco stuff is junk compared to the original parts or are there better alternatives?
- Why did my Yugo M24/47 not require the same compliance?
1/7/2009 5:58:02 PM
I don't know about your yugo, it should have all the compliance parts in it, if not you need to fix it. I personally like the stamped receivers on AKs due to the fact it is lighter, and I don't see any real advantage to it. May be wrong (remember i myself just turned to the dark side).
Common parts to replace seem to be the trigger group (Tapco G2 worth 3 parts) the piston (most of mine have or have had the Tapco), the pistol grip, and stock sets. Just remember you mags count as parts to, so if you need to use US made springs and followers. And no not all Tapco is junk, while i am not a fan of their stocks, I know people who are, and there G2 trigger is very nice IMHO. And as far as Ammo goes your least expensive option (for now) is the 5.45, I just got 2 cases for 129 each. Most places seem to have it for 129-220 per 1080 for surplus. But remember to buy as much ammo as you can while it is still cheep (well when compared to 5.56
).
Common parts to replace seem to be the trigger group (Tapco G2 worth 3 parts) the piston (most of mine have or have had the Tapco), the pistol grip, and stock sets. Just remember you mags count as parts to, so if you need to use US made springs and followers. And no not all Tapco is junk, while i am not a fan of their stocks, I know people who are, and there G2 trigger is very nice IMHO. And as far as Ammo goes your least expensive option (for now) is the 5.45, I just got 2 cases for 129 each. Most places seem to have it for 129-220 per 1080 for surplus. But remember to buy as much ammo as you can while it is still cheep (well when compared to 5.56
).1/7/2009 11:37:35 PM
Thanks. My Yugo is plenty legal, just don't know why the AK's need US parts...maybe there was a cutoff date of manufacture or something?
That IS cheap, but I have decided if I'm getting an AK, it will be 7.62x39.
That IS cheap, but I have decided if I'm getting an AK, it will be 7.62x39.
1/8/2009 12:21:17 AM
Yah my next AK will be a 7.62. Had a .223, but traded it for a 5.45. Next i hope to get a Lancaster Classic. And on the Yugo who imported it? Because they HAVE to have US compliance parts.
1/8/2009 5:37:17 PM
Classic Arms...no new parts is this bad boy. (Though I did install a Wolff service kit a few weeks ago.) Maybe because it is bolt action? I don't know the reason behind requiring the US parts unless it's the ATF's retarded way of making them harder to convert to FA...if so that would make sense as to why my M24/47 doesn't require it.
1/9/2009 2:11:31 AM
I don't know why you need them, but you only need them on "assault" rifles. So a M24/47 wouldnt need it being a bolt gun (or it may be becuse it is a C&R gun).
