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Adjustable fore grip on Mini-Draco AOW?
10/6/2011 5:27:51 PM
Just finished modifying a quad-rail for my mini and I ordered a AFG2 because the angled fore grips are legal. My question, if I have an adjustable fore grip and i *promise* not to use it in the vertical position, is it legal? Really, its just as easy to throw on a vertical grip as it is to change the position of my grip. What do you think?
10/6/2011 6:35:09 PM
Does not matter. With the ATF, if it has the capabilty, it is.
10/6/2011 8:24:08 PM
Do. Not.
10/6/2011 10:17:10 PM
Ha ha yeah I figured. Thanks.
10/7/2011 9:12:47 AM
And keep in mind, the whole "The Magpul AFG is okay!" thing is a tech branch opinion letter for an AR pistol.
While they MAY be indicative of the ATF's position on a particular matter, tech branch opinions are only good for:
- The precise firearm and combination/configuration in question..
- The individual who asked the question and received the letter...
- Until such time that the ATF changes their mind and that opinion is no longer valid....
While they MAY be indicative of the ATF's position on a particular matter, tech branch opinions are only good for:
- The precise firearm and combination/configuration in question..
- The individual who asked the question and received the letter...
- Until such time that the ATF changes their mind and that opinion is no longer valid....
10/7/2011 11:22:47 PM
why not mount a bipod? The ATF allows Ruger to do so from the factory on the Charger pistol?
10/8/2011 10:10:08 PM
A bipod is legal on any pistol because it is simply a rest not a grip. Bipod/grip combos are still a no no unless you get the aow stamp.
10/8/2011 10:12:34 PM
Is the OAL >26"?
10/9/2011 2:25:22 AM
Originally Posted By AJ_Dual:
And keep in mind, the whole "The Magpul AFG is okay!" thing is a tech branch opinion letter for an AR pistol.
While they MAY be indicative of the ATF's position on a particular matter, tech branch opinions are only good for:
- The precise firearm and combination/configuration in question..
- The individual who asked the question and received the letter...
- Until such time that the ATF changes their mind and that opinion is no longer valid....
And keep in mind, the whole "The Magpul AFG is okay!" thing is a tech branch opinion letter for an AR pistol.
While they MAY be indicative of the ATF's position on a particular matter, tech branch opinions are only good for:
- The precise firearm and combination/configuration in question..
- The individual who asked the question and received the letter...
- Until such time that the ATF changes their mind and that opinion is no longer valid....
I guess I'll take my chances...
Originally Posted By NAM:
Is the OAL >26"?
Is the OAL >26"?
Of the mini? No, it's about 16.5" if I remember correctly.
10/9/2011 9:56:45 AM
Originally Posted By NAM:
Is the OAL >26"?
Is the OAL >26"?
Of the mini? No, it's about 16.5" if I remember correctly.
I am not a lawyer, but I would recommend against doing so. ATF most likely frown on it.
10/11/2011 11:47:39 AM
Originally Posted By dontshoot:
I guess I'll take my chances...
I guess I'll take my chances...
Don't we all.
10/18/2011 5:03:17 AM
Originally Posted By AJ_Dual:
Don't we all.
Originally Posted By dontshoot:
I guess I'll take my chances...
I guess I'll take my chances...
Don't we all.
Although, I don't see it being an issue on the mini if it was approved for the AR pistol. I guess I could ask the ATF.
10/25/2011 7:43:08 AM
Just got my letter from ATF Tech Branch Chief (2 month wait), on 25 Oct 2011, he states and even underlines in his letter my Magpul AFG is not a vertical forward grip and I may legally add it onto my Draco without changing its GCA classification. I can email a copy of the letter if you send me a request to desertguide @cox.net
ADDED: This letter is for example only, as it is addressed specifically to me, i.e., you will want to request your own ATF letter. Again my request took 2 months.
ADDED: This letter is for example only, as it is addressed specifically to me, i.e., you will want to request your own ATF letter. Again my request took 2 months.
10/25/2011 9:46:42 AM
Originally Posted By Desertguide:
Just got my letter from ATF Tech Branch Chief (2 month wait), on 25 Oct 2011, he states and even underlines in his letter my Magpul AFG is not a vertical forward grip and I may legally add it onto my Draco without changing its GCA classification. I can email a copy of the letter if you send me a request to desertguide @cox.net
Just got my letter from ATF Tech Branch Chief (2 month wait), on 25 Oct 2011, he states and even underlines in his letter my Magpul AFG is not a vertical forward grip and I may legally add it onto my Draco without changing its GCA classification. I can email a copy of the letter if you send me a request to desertguide @cox.net
email sent, thanks!!!!!
10/27/2011 9:36:24 PM
Originally Posted By cfpkiller:
email sent, thanks!!!!!
Originally Posted By Desertguide:
Just got my letter from ATF Tech Branch Chief (2 month wait), on 25 Oct 2011, he states and even underlines in his letter my Magpul AFG is not a vertical forward grip and I may legally add it onto my Draco without changing its GCA classification. I can email a copy of the letter if you send me a request to desertguide @cox.net
Just got my letter from ATF Tech Branch Chief (2 month wait), on 25 Oct 2011, he states and even underlines in his letter my Magpul AFG is not a vertical forward grip and I may legally add it onto my Draco without changing its GCA classification. I can email a copy of the letter if you send me a request to desertguide @cox.net
email sent, thanks!!!!!
E-mail sent too
10/29/2011 3:35:05 PM
Originally Posted By AJ_Dual:
And keep in mind, the whole "The Magpul AFG is okay!" thing is a tech branch opinion letter for an AR pistol.
While they MAY be indicative of the ATF's position on a particular matter, tech branch opinions are only good for:
- The precise firearm and combination/configuration in question..
- The individual who asked the question and received the letter...
- Until such time that the ATF changes their mind and that opinion is no longer valid....
And keep in mind, the whole "The Magpul AFG is okay!" thing is a tech branch opinion letter for an AR pistol.
While they MAY be indicative of the ATF's position on a particular matter, tech branch opinions are only good for:
- The precise firearm and combination/configuration in question..
- The individual who asked the question and received the letter...
- Until such time that the ATF changes their mind and that opinion is no longer valid....
In response to the red text above: Is there any legal text that says this? I've heard it a million times, but have yet to see anything backing it up. It really doesn't make any sense (well, a lot of the stuff the ATF does, doesn't make sense, but.....). How can something be good for one person, and not the next?
