Brand new POS G19 ... UPDATE P2!

So I took my NIB gen4 G19 to the range this morning. It shoots to the left about 3 inches at 15 yards because the rear sight is installed off-center. I slow fired that group off a rest, and did another 15-shot group right afterwards with my CZ-75 Phantom which shot on the centerline.

In 152 rounds, the G19 had a stove-pip and three failures to go into battery.

What a fucking piece of shit. My Taurii and Kel-Tecs have all run better out of the box than this.

Is there a particular CSR at Glock who is more helpful who I should ask to speak too?

G19 shoots left for mostly all people new to it. Its the indian not the arrow


are you using factory mags? What type of ammo?

Ummmm it's not like there's not TONS of info on gen 4 issues online, it's called research. You couldn't give me a gen 4 Glock.

well i'll take any people are giving away. IM me for shipping info.

Eh...most things have flaws when they first come out. Gen 4's have been out long enough that I'm sure most of the bugs are worked out.

Buy new sights for it, the factory ones suck anyway. As far as the jams, no clue

Just to balance things a little, I hated Glocks. Picked up a used Gen4 19 a couple weeks ago and have put 200 rounds thru it in two sessions.

Love it, the thing hits my point of aim almost magically - regular dude here, no training.

Forgot to add, not a single hiccup using budget ammo, it's seems to be getting smoother and smoother - haven't cleaned it until yesterday.

Post in your HTF and see if there are any armorers near you (or at the shop where you bought it) to check it out for you.

New Glock shooters shoot left supported, slow fire, off a bench? Now, this may or may not be an issue depending on what the spec is, but the rear sight is not centered in its dovetail; it's off to the left maybe 0.5 mm. There is more gap exposed to the right of the sight than to the left.

Factory mags: the three 15-rounders that came with it, and a factory 33-rounder. The gun had issues while using the 33, and one or more of the 15's. I didn't think to separate them out at the time. All mags were brand new.

Federal 115gr FMJ from Wal-Mart.

15 rounds at about 15 yards:

You can easily drift the stock rear sight with a rawhide mallet if you're careful.

I bought a Gen 3 G23 the other day and had a similar experience with it hitting left and low. I went out and bought some snap caps and practiced with them... then I went back out to the range. I pulled my G23 out when I got there and decided to shoot the carry ammo that I had in the gun first. I lined up like I had been practicing and put the first round dead center of the bullseye. The guy standing next to me said "Holy Shit," I put the pistol back in my Crossbreed holster and turned and waved as if I were gonna leave.... I got a few laughs from the guys on either side of me.

But yeah, I thought I had a broken Glock too.... it was me!

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Sounds like you may need to change the backstrap to a flatter one. The G4's have the interchangeable backstraps ala FN -FNP. I had a similar problem with my FNP45 and changed the backstrap. I found that the thicker backstrap had my index finger pushing the trigger a bit instead of a straight back pull. When I install the thinner backstrap the problem went away.
Incidentally, I have a G3 -G19 and it's my favorite and only 9mm HG. I changed the factory sights for trijicons and it hits what I aim at and goes bang every time. Don't give up on the G-19 just yet...give it a chance. Oh, yeah, I'd replace the factory disconnector with a 3.5# Ghost.

Call Glock and talk to Cust Serv..... Or find a glock armorer in your area....

Thanks for the responses. I'm going to clean and lube it, and take it back to the range later this week and see if I can dial myself in on the Glock trigger and hope that fixes the problem. When I was dry firing it after I bought it on Saturday I was really cognizant of the trigger feeling unlike any that I'm used to.

I'll try the medium backstrap some too, but I have small hands, the gun came in the small configuration, and I've only ever had a problem of guns being too large for me.

The rear sight should be centered on the slide. If it's not, move it over until it is centered. It's a flimsyass piece of plastic...easy to move. Could be that having the sight correctly centered would solve your problem. However, Glock newbies indeed can still shoot to the left (and usually low), even off the bench, as it's a matter of trigger control. Try staging the first shot and shooting subsequent shots from the trigger reset position. Permit me to clarify: When you fire the first shot, hold your trigger finger back, then slowly release it until you feel the trigger reset. Fire from that position!!

this is very good info.

both my G17 and G21SF were "doing" this, until my buddy caught me putting too much of my finger into the trigger area... my 17 was always dead center, 21SF was new to me... I had been shooting my 1911s more and their triggers being lighter are more forgiving of this bad habit

next time at the range, I was more aware of what I was doing, and like magic the group from my G19 was centered perfectly.

FWIW, I've owned by G17 for 9 years, bought it at the same time as my HK USP 45. it was my "second" handgun and the 21 was my 5th Glock, so it happens to all of us...

Good finger placement on the trigger, slow press to the rear, follow through....Ahhhh, doesn't that feel better!

Looks like you killed him. Good group! What's the problem again?

In a word, yes.

A bench does not remove all factors. In fact, they ten to emphasize trigger control issues. Which is in my belief your issue.


The FTF, I can't help you with outside of ammo and break in.


Curious..... Has someone else shot it?

Send it here, I'l pay shipping...

Do you have the updated ejector and RSA? Whats the bumbers on both?

It's one of the FDE colored frames, which as I understand it, means it's very recent manufacture and should have all of the newest parts. Is that safe to assume?

No one else has shot it. The dealer I bought it from on Saturday pulled it out of the bin with several dozen others just like and said he had just gotten the FDE models in last week.

Yes.

It's you.

Yeah, I agree it's the shooter. I've had the same problem and had to go back to basics to correct the problem, starting center and drifting left.

Research will also tell you that gen 3's are experiencing the same problems.

New gun out of the box it's either ammo or the shooter in most cases. Try a different shooter and ammo and see what the

results are. Then when you know it works properly, get some Trijicon night sights installed. You could have a lemon, but I

doubt it.

ETA - FWIW, Two Gen 4's here that shoot as flawless as the others.

Ditch those crap plastic sights, install a set of Heine Straight Eights, and practice your trigger control. Problem solved.

I have a g19gen4 and g17gen4 both with 800+ rounds and I have not had a single issue. So.. yeah

Not the biggest fan of Glocks, I carry a 19 because its issued and have carried G22 and G27 before. First of all, I wouldn't carry anything I haven't put 500 rounds through, so put another 350 rounds through it and see if the problems still exist. My Sig needed 400 rounds before it started reliably going back into battery, but since then I've put over 10k rounds through it w/o issue. I don't think 152 rounds is sufficient "break-in" for a combat handgun of any brand.

My FDE Gen 4 19 has been flawless thus far. The Federal ammo from Wally World is known for being a touch on the weak side, so don't automatically assume the gun is a lemon. Your group looks good for the distance stated. Clean it, drift the sight ever so slightly right and practice dry firing in your living room until your finger is raw. Then, go back to the range and come back and tell us how much you love this gun.

If you are right handed and shooting groups low left, it is a trigger control issue, not the gun.

I dry fired about 1000 times during the week. More pics from the range on Friday:

This is the G19, 15 rounds, 125 gr reloads, ~15 yards, supported off a rest, aiming at the 'X'.








Next is the G19, 15 rounds, Federal 115gr, 15 yards, supported off a rest, aiming at the 7.





Last is my CZ-75 Phantom, 15 rounds, 125 gr reloads, 15 yards, supported off a rest, single-action, aiming at the 7.





The Glock shoots left.



Yes. It shoots left. This isn't my first rodeo. I've shot over 15,000 rounds of 9mm in the last 18 months.


The Glock shoots left.

Why does the Glock shoot left?

Because the sight is installed off-center:





It's not centered in the dove tail. So that makes the Glock shoot left.

In other news, I cleaned and oiled the gun before I took it out the second time and there were no more malfunctions.

Drift the sight right a bit. I don't see this as being an issue.

FWIW I think a combat handgun should function 100% out of the box. I don't know why manufacturers and consumers have lost sight of this.

Its a shame the new Glocks are having some issues but I'm sure they will get them right, if they haven't already.

Good to hear it has settled down.

Want to reiterate that no one is trying to be a know it all or smart with you. If you search threads, it is VERY common for shooters to impact left when switching to Glocks. I experienced it myself and have personally seen the condition in several shooters. I'm not saying that it cannot be a mechanical aiming issue, but history shows that it is likely not. If it is, the sights are drift adjustable, and that is that. A simple fix before you shoot your Glock like a champ. I would though, still encourage having another shooter fire it first. It is very hard to "eyeball" sight alignment. Many shooters, myself included, have gone nearly crazy trying to fight a problem that we thought we saw.


Good luck man. This is the most sincere and honest answer that one could ask for. Most glocks are fine out of the box, but they still are mass produced items. A sight alignment 1/32" off is not impossible.

It's not centered in the dove tail. So that makes the Glock shoot left.




Well,good lord,bump that sucker to the right.

Sounds to me like they had this one right, from the beginning, except that the sights were a little left. Anybody with an I.Q. higher than room temperature should be able to figure this one out in about a nanosecond!

Drift sight to the right until it is centered and shoots to the center.

Good to hear the next range session had no malfunctions. I'd chalk the first range session up to break-in and as long as it continues to function 100% from here, you've got a good one.

You could just bump the rear sight to the right as so many here are saying. That would actually solve the problem of your rounds impacting left of point of aim AND allow you more time to shoot as you won't be complaining about the problem here anymore. WIN-WIN!

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