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Zhukov Has Been Slacking, Here Is Data From Dr Roberts Regarding Fed HST, Rem GS Bonded, Fiocchi EMB
8/31/2011 5:09:49 PM
Dr Roberts (DocGKR):
This week we tested some 9 mm 124 gr +P JHP's in contrast with current 147 gr duty ammunition.
Fed HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1208 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.64", Ave RL = 0.38", Ave RW = 123.8gr
4LD: Pen = 14.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.0 gr
Rem Golden Saber 124 gr +P bonded JHP (GSB9MMD) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1188 f/s; 5 shot ave below::
BG: Pen = 12.6", Ave RD = 0.59", Ave RL = 0.37", Ave RW = 123.0 gr
4LD: Pen = 15.9", Ave RD = 0.55", Ave RL = 0.41", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.8 gr
Fed HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1014 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.63", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 147.5 gr
4LD: Pen = 15.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 147.2 gr
AG: Pen = 13.0", Ave RD = 0.50", Ave RL = 0.59", Ave RW = 143.6 gr
The photo depicts two of the 147 gr HST control rounds to the left of the dime––the top one fired into BG, the bottom into 4LD. The top row to the right of the dime is the 124 gr +P HST fired into BG, followed by the same round into 4LD. The third row is the 124 gr +P bonded Golden Saber in to BG, with the bottom row being GS shots into 4 LD.
Both the 147 gr HST and 124 gr +P HST rounds are among the finest 9 mm duty loads currently available.
]We had a chance to look at the Fiocchi 92 gr Expansion Mono Block this week; as can be seen, it was less than impressive...
Fiocchi 92 gr Expansion Mono-Block (9EMB) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1315 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.6", Ave RD = 0.56", Ave RL = 0.54", Ave RW = 93.5 gr
4LD: Pen = 16.1+", Ave RD = 0.36", Ave RL = 0.55", Ave RW = 93.5 gr
Here is a photo showing how full of fail the EMB is, top row is fired into BG, bottom row into 4LD:
This week we tested some 9 mm 124 gr +P JHP's in contrast with current 147 gr duty ammunition.
Fed HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1208 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.64", Ave RL = 0.38", Ave RW = 123.8gr
4LD: Pen = 14.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.0 gr
Rem Golden Saber 124 gr +P bonded JHP (GSB9MMD) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1188 f/s; 5 shot ave below::
BG: Pen = 12.6", Ave RD = 0.59", Ave RL = 0.37", Ave RW = 123.0 gr
4LD: Pen = 15.9", Ave RD = 0.55", Ave RL = 0.41", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.8 gr
Fed HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1014 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.63", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 147.5 gr
4LD: Pen = 15.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 147.2 gr
AG: Pen = 13.0", Ave RD = 0.50", Ave RL = 0.59", Ave RW = 143.6 gr
The photo depicts two of the 147 gr HST control rounds to the left of the dime––the top one fired into BG, the bottom into 4LD. The top row to the right of the dime is the 124 gr +P HST fired into BG, followed by the same round into 4LD. The third row is the 124 gr +P bonded Golden Saber in to BG, with the bottom row being GS shots into 4 LD.
Both the 147 gr HST and 124 gr +P HST rounds are among the finest 9 mm duty loads currently available.
]We had a chance to look at the Fiocchi 92 gr Expansion Mono Block this week; as can be seen, it was less than impressive...
Fiocchi 92 gr Expansion Mono-Block (9EMB) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1315 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.6", Ave RD = 0.56", Ave RL = 0.54", Ave RW = 93.5 gr
4LD: Pen = 16.1+", Ave RD = 0.36", Ave RL = 0.55", Ave RW = 93.5 gr
Here is a photo showing how full of fail the EMB is, top row is fired into BG, bottom row into 4LD:
8/31/2011 10:02:02 PM
Makes me glad I chose the 147g HST for my wife's Glock 19 for home defense 
9/1/2011 8:05:01 AM
Where did you get that stuff?
9/1/2011 8:45:15 AM
Originally Posted By Bones45:
Where did you get that stuff?
Where did you get that stuff?
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
9/1/2011 8:47:25 AM
Man I hate to sound like an idiot, but here goes.
What does RW, RL and RD stand for?
What does RW, RL and RD stand for?
9/1/2011 10:37:19 AM
Originally Posted By Saber329:
Man I hate to sound like an idiot, but here goes.
What does RW, RL and RD stand for?
Man I hate to sound like an idiot, but here goes.
What does RW, RL and RD stand for?
Recovered Weight in grains, Recovered Length and Recovered Diameter in inches.
9/1/2011 11:15:32 AM
Thanks for the notice FAIL_SAFE. I'll update the FAQ soon. 
9/1/2011 11:43:26 AM
Originally Posted By Saber329:
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
Originally Posted By Bones45:
Where did you get that stuff?
Where did you get that stuff?
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
FTW
9/2/2011 6:32:08 PM
Thanks for posting that information here.
9/2/2011 8:50:08 PM
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
FTW
Originally Posted By Saber329:
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
Originally Posted By Bones45:
Where did you get that stuff?
Where did you get that stuff?
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
FTW
No, I meant where did OP get the information.
9/2/2011 10:08:37 PM
Originally Posted By Bones45:
No, I meant where did OP get the information.
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
FTW
Originally Posted By Saber329:
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
Originally Posted By Bones45:
Where did you get that stuff?
Where did you get that stuff?
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
FTW
No, I meant where did OP get the information.
From Dr Roberts
9/3/2011 10:30:09 AM
Originally Posted By ANIMUS:
From Dr Roberts
Originally Posted By Bones45:
No, I meant where did OP get the information.
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
FTW
Originally Posted By Saber329:
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
Originally Posted By Bones45:
Where did you get that stuff?
Where did you get that stuff?
I purchased mine from ammunitiontogo.com
FTW
No, I meant where did OP get the information.
From Dr Roberts
Links please...
9/3/2011 10:45:54 AM
I'll have a bunch of updates from DocGKR's tests this week as soon as i can log back into the ammo server.
9/4/2011 11:07:23 AM
And as usual there is no HST 124+P or 147gr loads anywhere in my cursory check of sources.
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
9/4/2011 2:47:16 PM
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
And as usual there is no HST 124+P or 147gr loads anywhere in my cursory check of sources.
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
And as usual there is no HST 124+P or 147gr loads anywhere in my cursory check of sources.
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
I think so, once in a while SG Ammo gets about 25 boxes and poof gone in an afternoon.
9/4/2011 4:00:46 PM
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
I think so, once in a while SG Ammo gets about 25 boxes and poof gone in an afternoon.
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
And as usual there is no HST 124+P or 147gr loads anywhere in my cursory check of sources.
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
And as usual there is no HST 124+P or 147gr loads anywhere in my cursory check of sources.
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
I think so, once in a while SG Ammo gets about 25 boxes and poof gone in an afternoon.
I've also found it at Ammo To Go and LTD Ammo Sales. You have to keep checking and be quick.
9/5/2011 1:29:25 AM
sad, I was hoping the EMB was worth a damn. Oh well, guess I'll have to scrounge up some DPX...
9/5/2011 2:45:47 AM
Just bought me 5 boxes of HST to feed the XD
9/25/2011 5:10:46 PM
Sorry to bump this, but will this info be added to the FAQ soon?
9/25/2011 5:19:00 PM
What is 4LD?
9/25/2011 5:34:40 PM
4LD = 4 layer denim.
I'm still having problems connecting to the ammo server. the files are all ready - I just haven't been able to upload them.
9/25/2011 6:10:39 PM
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
And as usual there is no HST 124+P or 147gr loads anywhere in my cursory check of sources.
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
And as usual there is no HST 124+P or 147gr loads anywhere in my cursory check of sources.
It's the best unobtainable ammo anywhere...
Why is this stuff never available?
Hoarders hijacking every load as it comes off the line?
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
9/25/2011 6:26:38 PM
Thanks Zhukov, was asking because the subject came up on another forum and I wanted to send someone here for some info on the HSTs.
Oh, and I got some of the 147gr. HSTs from Streichers. Going to test fire them tomorrow.
Oh, and I got some of the 147gr. HSTs from Streichers. Going to test fire them tomorrow.
9/25/2011 7:28:24 PM
I sent that box to Dr.Roberts for gel testing along w/a box to TheRedGoat to try on live hogs. Here's the thread w/TRG's results:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1233819_I_ll_just_leave_this_here___.html
In the interests of accuracy the EMB does expand reliably through *2* layers of denim (my own tests) but 4 layers seems to be more than it can handle.
Tomac
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1233819_I_ll_just_leave_this_here___.html
In the interests of accuracy the EMB does expand reliably through *2* layers of denim (my own tests) but 4 layers seems to be more than it can handle.
Tomac
9/25/2011 8:25:55 PM
Originally Posted By bobweaver:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Doesn't appear to be the +P
9/25/2011 9:09:37 PM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Doesn't appear to be the +P
Originally Posted By bobweaver:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Doesn't appear to be the +P
What about here?
9/25/2011 10:40:40 PM
Originally Posted By bobweaver:
What about here?
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Doesn't appear to be the +P
Originally Posted By bobweaver:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Doesn't appear to be the +P
What about here?
Hydra Shok =/= HST
9/28/2011 11:16:07 AM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Hydra Shok =/= HST
Originally Posted By bobweaver:
What about here?
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Doesn't appear to be the +P
Originally Posted By bobweaver:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
AMMO TO GO has some in stock in 9, 40 and 45
Doesn't appear to be the +P
What about here?
Hydra Shok =/= HST
tds has some hst 124 +p in stock
9/28/2011 3:48:28 PM
