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G27 owners: what do you shoot and why?
4/11/2012 11:39:21 PM
So, thread title just about covers it. I'm pretty new to .40. I picked a G27 as a carry piece. I may get a G22 somewhere down the road as a primary auto for outdoors/camping purposes.
Back to the G27.
I figure most encounters with the G27 will be up close and personal, and a heavier round would be preferred for penetration. Beyond that, it's just a question of reliability in feeding and performance, right? Am I missing something?
Back to the G27.
I figure most encounters with the G27 will be up close and personal, and a heavier round would be preferred for penetration. Beyond that, it's just a question of reliability in feeding and performance, right? Am I missing something?
4/12/2012 12:03:30 AM
YMMV, but most modern loads are pretty darn similar in performance. There are plenty of ammo reviews that show the difference in expansion and penetration. I personally load my EDC G27 with 180g Golden Sabers. Its the most accurate SD round I have shot out of it, which is why I carry it as opposed to another load
4/12/2012 5:45:54 AM
I carry a G27 and a G23 daily loaded with the 180 grain Winchester Ranger Bonded. I've put somewhere between 3000 and 4000 rounds of this load through my carry pistols with good results.
4/12/2012 5:18:39 PM
Hornady Critical Duty or Winchester Ranger in my G27.
4/12/2012 5:45:30 PM
Q4355 for carry ammo. Blazer brass or Federal Champion for target blasting.
4/13/2012 6:01:20 PM
This...Winchester-Ranger-180gr-Bonded-JHP.
4/13/2012 9:04:14 PM
Well, based on the responses in this thread, I guess I need to look at Winchester Rangers. What is it about that particular load that you all like? Is it the velocity? Expansion? Penetration? All the above? Is it affordable compared to some of the other options on the market?
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4/14/2012 11:58:20 AM
For carry, 165gr Gold Dots, or 165gr HST.
4/14/2012 12:18:05 PM
Originally Posted By RMTactical:
For carry, 165gr Gold Dots, or 165gr HST.
For carry, 165gr Gold Dots, or 165gr HST.
Why?
Everybody has told me what they shoot but not why, and that was an integral part of this discussion. I'm not knocking singling you out. Basically, everybody has done this in this thread.
I went ahead and picked up some Speer Gold Dot 180 grain loads for short barrel.
I'm going to load the TAP into my new-to-me Gen3 G23 G22.
4/14/2012 12:36:50 PM
I originally went with 165gr Gold Dots because that was what the FBI was using and I had heard some good stuff about them.
I find that they expand well and penetrate well and they function 100% in my guns. Also, I have been able to get a lot of them at good prices.
I find that they expand well and penetrate well and they function 100% in my guns. Also, I have been able to get a lot of them at good prices.
4/14/2012 1:20:38 PM
Originally Posted By RMTactical:
I originally went with 165gr Gold Dots because that was what the FBI was using and I had heard some good stuff about them.
I find that they expand well and penetrate well and they function 100% in my guns. Also, I have been able to get a lot of them at good prices.
I originally went with 165gr Gold Dots because that was what the FBI was using and I had heard some good stuff about them.
I find that they expand well and penetrate well and they function 100% in my guns. Also, I have been able to get a lot of them at good prices.
That was what the FBI was using. Very good round but a bit stiff in the recoil department from my experience with them.
4/14/2012 1:23:16 PM
Winchester Ranger.... because I have to carry my issued duty ammo. Would I carry anything different if given the choice? Probably not. I doubt there is really that much difference.
4/14/2012 3:15:00 PM
Federal HST 180gr JHP (P40HST1)
Because it's good shit.
My alternative load would be Winchester Ranger 180gr JHP (RA40T)
Because it's good shit.
Because it's good shit.
My alternative load would be Winchester Ranger 180gr JHP (RA40T)
Because it's good shit.
4/14/2012 8:01:04 PM
Originally Posted By AJE:
Winchester Ranger.... because I have to carry my issued duty ammo. Would I carry anything different if given the choice? Probably not. I doubt there is really that much difference.
Winchester Ranger.... because I have to carry my issued duty ammo. Would I carry anything different if given the choice? Probably not. I doubt there is really that much difference.
This is the case with me too.
4/14/2012 8:27:04 PM
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Why?
Everybody has told me what they shoot but not why, and that was an integral part of this discussion. I'm not knocking singling you out. Basically, everybody has done this in this thread.
I went ahead and picked up some Speer Gold Dot 180 grain loads for short barrel.
I'm going to load the TAP into my new-to-me Gen3 G23.
Originally Posted By RMTactical:
For carry, 165gr Gold Dots, or 165gr HST.
For carry, 165gr Gold Dots, or 165gr HST.
Why?
Everybody has told me what they shoot but not why, and that was an integral part of this discussion. I'm not knocking singling you out. Basically, everybody has done this in this thread.
I went ahead and picked up some Speer Gold Dot 180 grain loads for short barrel.
I'm going to load the TAP into my new-to-me Gen3 G23.
I got sick of paying roughly $1.00 per round for carry ammo in gun shops so I decided to buy some in bulk. First I looked at reviews online including the list from the FAQs at the top of this forum. Then I looked at case prices online and site sponsor SG Ammo had an awesome deal on Q4355. So I bought a bunch and shot some without a failure of any kind. Now that is what I carry and I won't need to buy any .40 carry ammo for a long time.
The reason I linked to the other deal in my previous post is that the deal at SG sold out. I would not hesitate to buy from them again, but you asked about my carry ammo and they don't have any Q4355 at the moment. They do have cases of RA40T in stock.
ETA: One thing I noted is that while some other brands like Gold Dot have nickel cases, they don't appear to have sealer around the primer. The Winchester has a brass case with primer sealer. Personally, I don't care if it has a nickel case or not.
4/14/2012 8:45:16 PM
Can't go wrong with 180, but i carried 165 grn in my G27 due to the shorter bbl length (little extra velocity), usually Federal Bonded Tactical..
4/15/2012 9:51:16 PM
I'll stick with 180 in .40. I remember reading something awhile back that stated it tended to lose less velocity in short barrels than the 165.
4/16/2012 10:53:58 AM
I don't shoot a G27, but I do shoot a M&P40c (same barrel length, right?) and I load it with 180 grain Federal HST.
Heavier bullets lose a lower percentage of their velocity out of a shorter barrel as opposed to lighter, faster bullets.
Heavier bullets lose a lower percentage of their velocity out of a shorter barrel as opposed to lighter, faster bullets.
4/17/2012 12:24:21 AM
Originally Posted By Czechers:
Can't go wrong with 180, but i carried 165 grn in my G27 due to the shorter bbl length (little extra velocity), usually Federal Bonded Tactical..
Can't go wrong with 180, but i carried 165 grn in my G27 due to the shorter bbl length (little extra velocity), usually Federal Bonded Tactical..
Originally Posted By ARCollector157:
I'll stick with 180 in .40. I remember reading something awhile back that stated it tended to lose less velocity in short barrels than the 165.
I'll stick with 180 in .40. I remember reading something awhile back that stated it tended to lose less velocity in short barrels than the 165.
Now we're getting somewhere. So, is there a range at which the lighter, faster bullet performs better than the heavier bullet?
4/17/2012 6:08:13 AM
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Now we're getting somewhere. So, is there a range at which the lighter, faster bullet performs better than the heavier bullet?
Originally Posted By Czechers:
Can't go wrong with 180, but i carried 165 grn in my G27 due to the shorter bbl length (little extra velocity), usually Federal Bonded Tactical..
Can't go wrong with 180, but i carried 165 grn in my G27 due to the shorter bbl length (little extra velocity), usually Federal Bonded Tactical..
Originally Posted By ARCollector157:
I'll stick with 180 in .40. I remember reading something awhile back that stated it tended to lose less velocity in short barrels than the 165.
I'll stick with 180 in .40. I remember reading something awhile back that stated it tended to lose less velocity in short barrels than the 165.
Now we're getting somewhere. So, is there a range at which the lighter, faster bullet performs better than the heavier bullet?
Usually a lighter faster bullet has faster expansion and less penetration. A heavier bullet usually tends to expand later and penetrate more. I would base it on the individual bullet though as some differ..
4/17/2012 11:01:23 AM
Originally Posted By ARCollector157:
Usually a lighter faster bullet has faster expansion and less penetration. A heavier bullet usually tends to expand later and penetrate more. I would base it on the individual bullet though as some differ..
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Now we're getting somewhere. So, is there a range at which the lighter, faster bullet performs better than the heavier bullet?
Originally Posted By Czechers:
Can't go wrong with 180, but i carried 165 grn in my G27 due to the shorter bbl length (little extra velocity), usually Federal Bonded Tactical..
Can't go wrong with 180, but i carried 165 grn in my G27 due to the shorter bbl length (little extra velocity), usually Federal Bonded Tactical..
Originally Posted By ARCollector157:
I'll stick with 180 in .40. I remember reading something awhile back that stated it tended to lose less velocity in short barrels than the 165.
I'll stick with 180 in .40. I remember reading something awhile back that stated it tended to lose less velocity in short barrels than the 165.
Now we're getting somewhere. So, is there a range at which the lighter, faster bullet performs better than the heavier bullet?
Usually a lighter faster bullet has faster expansion and less penetration. A heavier bullet usually tends to expand later and penetrate more. I would base it on the individual bullet though as some differ..
So maybe a lighter, faster bullet in the summer when people are dressing in lighter clothing?
Use a heavier bullet in winter when people will be wearing heavier clothing and jackets and such?
Should this have been a "what round for fat vs. skinny person" thread?
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4/17/2012 11:35:11 AM
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
So maybe a lighter, faster bullet in the summer when people are dressing in lighter clothing?
Use a heavier bullet in winter when people will be wearing heavier clothing and jackets and such?
Should this have been a "what round for fat vs. skinny person" thread?
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So maybe a lighter, faster bullet in the summer when people are dressing in lighter clothing?
Use a heavier bullet in winter when people will be wearing heavier clothing and jackets and such?
Should this have been a "what round for fat vs. skinny person" thread?
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If you choose a bullet that is part of the recommended list it wont matter. You don't need to be changing bullets in the summer because of clothing.
There are a few reasons why I choose 180 grain over 165:
180 grain bullets generally have less felt recoil
180 grain bullets perform better through barriers (less deflection)- for a CCW that could be important
180 grain bullets are less sensitive to barrel length
In terminal ballistic terms they are relatively the same. Maybe 180 grains bullets will penetrate a bad guy more, but if you're using a bullet from the recommended list it's probably not anything significant. Both 180 and 165 grain bullets start to expand within one inch of the BG.
4/17/2012 12:48:28 PM
Originally Posted By HoodyHoo21:
If you choose a bullet that is part of the recommended list it wont matter. You don't need to be changing bullets in the summer because of clothing.
There are a few reasons why I choose 180 grain over 165:
180 grain bullets generally have less felt recoil
180 grain bullets perform better through barriers (less deflection)- for a CCW that could be important
180 grain bullets are less sensitive to barrel length
In terminal ballistic terms they are relatively the same. Maybe 180 grains bullets will penetrate a bad guy more, but if you're using a bullet from the recommended list it's probably not anything significant. Both 180 and 165 grain bullets start to expand within one inch of the BG.
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
So maybe a lighter, faster bullet in the summer when people are dressing in lighter clothing?
Use a heavier bullet in winter when people will be wearing heavier clothing and jackets and such?
Should this have been a "what round for fat vs. skinny person" thread?
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So maybe a lighter, faster bullet in the summer when people are dressing in lighter clothing?
Use a heavier bullet in winter when people will be wearing heavier clothing and jackets and such?
Should this have been a "what round for fat vs. skinny person" thread?
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If you choose a bullet that is part of the recommended list it wont matter. You don't need to be changing bullets in the summer because of clothing.
There are a few reasons why I choose 180 grain over 165:
180 grain bullets generally have less felt recoil
180 grain bullets perform better through barriers (less deflection)- for a CCW that could be important
180 grain bullets are less sensitive to barrel length
In terminal ballistic terms they are relatively the same. Maybe 180 grains bullets will penetrate a bad guy more, but if you're using a bullet from the recommended list it's probably not anything significant. Both 180 and 165 grain bullets start to expand within one inch of the BG.
Agreed.
I have RA40B in mine, mainly because I like and have a ton of 180 Gold Dots, yet I get issued 45 RA40Bs a year, and I gotta keep 'em somewhere.
4/17/2012 2:59:00 PM
Pick a bullet from this list and be done with it:
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.40%20S&W
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.40%20S&W
4/18/2012 7:44:05 AM
Originally Posted By Hero:
That was what the FBI was using. Very good round but a bit stiff in the recoil department from my experience with them.
Originally Posted By RMTactical:
I originally went with 165gr Gold Dots because that was what the FBI was using and I had heard some good stuff about them.
I find that they expand well and penetrate well and they function 100% in my guns. Also, I have been able to get a lot of them at good prices.
I originally went with 165gr Gold Dots because that was what the FBI was using and I had heard some good stuff about them.
I find that they expand well and penetrate well and they function 100% in my guns. Also, I have been able to get a lot of them at good prices.
That was what the FBI was using. Very good round but a bit stiff in the recoil department from my experience with them.
This was my experience as well. Shooting 165 grain GDHP's in a G27 felt like shooting a G20. I no longer carry the G27 as I sold it the first time I shot a M&P40c. It is a soft shooter with 180 grain ammo and feels much better in my hands. I carry 180 grain Federal HST's. Why, because it works well in my 40 caliber pistols and it fares well in the ballistics tests. I like Ranger Bonded and PDX-1's too but I carry those in my 1911 in the winter months.
4/18/2012 1:05:15 PM
I load mine with 180 gr Gold Dots because I got a shitload of them.
Still learning more.
Still learning more.
4/18/2012 5:50:36 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Pick a bullet from this list and be done with it:
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.40%20S&W
Pick a bullet from this list and be done with it:
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.40%20S&W
Page 2 says 180 grain.
Decent pricing on the Federal and Speer ammo at my local store where I picked up the Hornady (which was on sale) is the reason I ask. I think I'll be sticking with the 180 grain offerings.
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