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 XD 9mm sub, the perfect cc weapon?
gwhunter  [Member]
2/23/2012 6:54:57 AM
I'm looking to purchase my primary concealed carry gun and I've taken a liking to the XD 9 subcompact. I'm looking for the OD green version but not having much luck. I talked to one of the better shops locally and they were pushing the black version on me(of course it's what they had instock). I was pretty clear that I wanted the OD green version but said the 40 cal would be ok also(but in od green). So to the folks who own this weapon what are you thoughts? Most of the reviews I've read were positive.

die-tryin  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 7:08:32 AM
I had one for CCW. It worked fine, was accurate. I felt it was a bit too "blockie" for my taste. I ended going to the SA EMP 9mm. Its a lil thinner and I shoot 1911 style much better. The XDSC is a nice lil gun and I never had a single issue with it. I just found myself leaving it at home too much, so I made the switch to something id carry more often
RedFalconBill  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 8:47:58 AM
XD 9mm sub, the perfect cc weapon?

Ah, no. The XD Sub Compact is NOT the perfect CC firearm because no such firearm exists.

Have you fired an XD?
walt_l  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 8:57:46 AM
I have been carrying mine for about 3 years now. I have taken two handgun classes with it and shot well over 3000 rounds without a single malfunction I didn't set up for practice only. It fits my hand, I shoot it well, it is very comfortable in my supertuck and it just works for me.
Dill  [Member]
2/23/2012 11:51:10 AM
while I would agree with the above poster that there is no perfect gun, I like my XDsc a lot and carry it just about every day.
gwhunter  [Member]
2/23/2012 12:53:32 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
XD 9mm sub, the perfect cc weapon?

Ah, no. The XD Sub Compact is NOT the perfect CC firearm because no such firearm exists.

Have you fired an XD?


Is this a joke? And yes I have.
RedFalconBill  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 4:09:02 PM

Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
XD 9mm sub, the perfect cc weapon?

Ah, no. The XD Sub Compact is NOT the perfect CC firearm because no such firearm exists.

Have you fired an XD?

Is this a joke? And yes I have.

No, it is not a joke.

I know in the body of your post you only wanted people who own a Sub Compact to respond, but why?

With your blanket statement you come across like you do not have much experience with pistols. You have already made up your mind and want other people to congratulate you on your decision, again why?

What is your experience with this pistol that prompts you to say this, when there are other choices out there? I've put a ~250 rounds through two XD-9 Service Models. They both went bang, but XD's get a big Meh from me.
gwhunter  [Member]
2/23/2012 7:07:58 PM
WTF is the problem here? I came to a brand specific forum to ask for opinions on a gun I've taken a liking to. I'd like all constructive suggestions on this model. Other XD info is fine also. If you like other guns that's fine, if you've got issues with the XD units feel free to post them but stop the personnal attack. For the rest who maybe interested, I ordered the gun today but I was told it could take up to 4 months to arrive. I have handled and fire this model, it felt like a good fit for my hand and was very accurate. Are there any pitfalls common to the XD line? I've read a few about rusting issues on early models. The shop owner had alot of positive comments on the Springfield line and he's also a big Glock dealer. I did also like the glocks and see a 45acp in my near future.
DJinGA  [Life Member]
2/23/2012 7:20:15 PM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
I'm looking to purchase my primary concealed carry gun and I've taken a liking to the XD 9 subcompact. I'm looking for the OD green version but not having much luck. I talked to one of the better shops locally and they were pushing the black version on me(of course it's what they had instock). I was pretty clear that I wanted the OD green version but said the 40 cal would be ok also(but in od green). So to the folks who own this weapon what are you thoughts? Most of the reviews I've read were positive.



EDC, 700 rounds in a pistol readiness class w/no issues, nice and accurate.

I like the features - grip safety provides extra measure against mistakes, but doesn't require fumbling for a manual safety when adrenaline is flowing; visible and tactile (no look) verification of a cocked striker and round in the chamber.
shadowcop  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 7:38:11 PM
I got one recently and have been carrying it. Fits my hand, I shoot it better than my Glock 26, holds more rounds, and conceals well with a good holster.
You asked about any issues. The one I ran across is the roll pin that is in the top of the slide holding the firing pin. From what I have researched, lots of dry firing can beat it and cause it to break.
There are after market firing pin roll pins that are much stronger to replace it.
The internals are more complicated than a Glock, if you are prone to tuning it.
My trigger is fine so I have no plans on changing anything.
Dave N
38_Special  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 8:13:46 PM
I have had mine (xd9sc) for 7 years. I have about 2500 rounds through it. It is a great carry gun. I prefer the pierce grip extensions on the mags. I like how the xd's fit my hand and I shoot them well.

If it fits your hand and you have a good natural aim with it, then go for it. I have a buddy that has one, but prefers his glock because he points it better. Its personal preference.
jlow  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 8:17:57 PM
It’s an excellent pistol fpr CCW and I have been carrying it for a couple of years using a Supertuck. The gun is very accurate and I have actually done well with the above combo in IDPA BUG matches. The fact that you can have 14 rounds on call is a real plus.

FWIW, you do yourself a big disservice when you give the impression that the OD green version regardless of caliber is more important to you, just saying…. It’s a gun for SD, not a fashion statement…


cmb91LX  [Member]
2/23/2012 10:03:30 PM
I carry an XDSC 9mm every day in a crossbreed supertuck, I shoot it exceptionally well, it fits my hand perfect. I have no plans to change out to another one.

I do also carry an LCP when im in shorts or something thats not conducive to the XD

While there may be no such thing as the perfect gun for everyone, this is the perfect carry weapon for me
Chapman  [Team Member]
2/24/2012 3:38:46 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:

Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
XD 9mm sub, the perfect cc weapon?

Ah, no. The XD Sub Compact is NOT the perfect CC firearm because no such firearm exists.

Have you fired an XD?

Is this a joke? And yes I have.

No, it is not a joke.

I know in the body of your post you only wanted people who own a Sub Compact to respond, but why?

With your blanket statement you come across like you do not have much experience with pistols. You have already made up your mind and want other people to congratulate you on your decision, again why?

What is your experience with this pistol that prompts you to say this, when there are other choices out there? I've put a ~250 rounds through two XD-9 Service Models. They both went bang, but XD's get a big Meh from me.


Chapman  [Team Member]
2/24/2012 3:42:30 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=275190762

ETA: I don't have any problem concealing the service model (4") 9mm. I like having the full grip and longer barrel. I've never shot a sub-compact xd, so I really have no opinion on one, but don't rule out the service models either. Hell, some guys conceal the tactical 5" models. The difficult part of the gun to conceal is the grip, not the barrel. Unfortunately, with short grip guns, we usually get short barrels. I still manage to conceal mine well, so give a service model a shot if you'd like. You may find it more comfortable to shoot, and more accurate.
gwhunter  [Member]
2/24/2012 8:14:46 PM
Thanks for all the replies, I ordered the XDSC 9mm in OD green yesterday. I'm being told it could be as long as 4 months. But that was worst case, I picked up a new to me glock 22 today so I'll be using that until the XD arrives. The glock and XD are fairly close in grip thickness so after carrying the glock the XD should seem small. I tried everything from keltec to kimber and the xd just felt right. The XDM 45acp was a close second but limited round cap ruled it out for now. Anyone using the infidel holster by Comp-tac? What inwaistband holsters are you guys happy with?
38_Special  [Team Member]
2/24/2012 8:31:18 PM
Supertuck
jlow  [Team Member]
2/24/2012 9:09:55 PM
Supertuck too. Easy to conceal, comfortable, easy to draw and easy to holster.
gwhunter  [Member]
2/26/2012 7:25:28 AM
The supertuck does look decent but seems large. Is the horse hide the way to go? Was there a long lead time with crossbreed as others have mentioned?
jlow  [Team Member]
2/26/2012 8:28:31 AM
I work as an SO for IDPA and have seen many IWB holster come and go. Some good, some bad, and some just plain dangerous – the Supertuck is one of the best.

The reason the Supertuck has such a "large” size is because of a number of reasons. For a IWB holster to be good for CCW, it must first be comfortable – or you won’t wear it. Second, it must not collapse when you take the gun out like some leather only holster because it must be easy for you to holster – remember you have to holster a loaded gun against your body!! The kydex and piece of leather on the top really also helps to facilitate this because it helps guide the gun in and out and prevents your shirt from getting in the way.

I use the one with horse hide and have not been sorry. Don’t know anything about long lead time as I brought mine many years ago. As the old saying goes, good things come to those that are willing to waits.


RalphS  [Member]
2/26/2012 9:26:07 AM
I have the XD9-SC in bitone (stainless). I put in the Springer Precision trigger bar upgrade kit which really improved the trigger. It took it from a stock trigger pull to about 1/2 of a full Springer trigger job. I had a full Springer trigger job done on my XD9-TAC so I know the difference, but the trigger bar upgrade kit is very good by itself.

Over a chrono, I get 1104 fps with Win 124 grain NATO ammo and 1127 fps with 124 grain Speer Gold Dot HP. That's pretty impressive and way better than anything you'd get out of a 38 snub nose with 125 grain bullets.
gwhunter  [Member]
2/26/2012 4:10:04 PM
Jlow, thanks for the indepth review. It's hard for me to buy without seeing the first. I'm torn between the Supertuck,Comptac,minotaur and the infidel. The ST and minotaur are very similar, the infidel just looks like what I think I want. But with out being able to see them in the real I guess the ST should be my first choice since you guys think so highly of them.

TargetBlaster  [Member]
2/26/2012 7:51:24 PM
I hate the grip safety on the XD and XDM. If your grip isn't just right, gun won't fire. Would not carry it for that reason alone.
Chapman  [Team Member]
2/26/2012 9:26:20 PM
Originally Posted By TargetBlaster:
I hate the grip safety on the XD and XDM. If your grip isn't just right, gun won't fire. Would not carry it for that reason alone.




Keep telling yourself that, bud.

If your grip is so horrible that you don't hit the grip safety (which is compressed with MAYBE 1 oz of pressure), the weapon won't cycle anyway.

But keep running your mouth about guns you've never used.
Chapman  [Team Member]
2/26/2012 9:31:21 PM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Jlow, thanks for the indepth review. It's hard for me to buy without seeing the first. I'm torn between the Supertuck,Comptac,minotaur and the infidel. The ST and minotaur are very similar, the infidel just looks like what I think I want. But with out being able to see them in the real I guess the ST should be my first choice since you guys think so highly of them.



I REALLY like the MTAC. I'll put in a vote for it. One of the reasons the holster appears large is to flatten out the profile of the gun. The hooks are on the sides of the gun, instead of on top of it. That reduces the overall thickness that you have to deal with IWB. Second, the large leather backing helps distribute the pressure of the gun against your side over a wider area than most holsters. I think you'll find this design works pretty well, should you decide to get an MTAC or a supertuck.

If you decide on an infidel, make sure to post a review. I have yet to see one on arfcom.
jcncc  [Member]
2/26/2012 9:36:13 PM
My daily carry pistol. Wife bought one fired it over 1100 rounds never oiled it and never cleaned it except to wipe it down when it got nasty.

Edit get a Sparks VM2
RevMetric  [Team Member]
2/26/2012 9:48:33 PM
I like my XDSC. It's accurate and dependable. The only thing I don't like is that it's 90% the size of my G19, so I usually opt to carry the G19 for it's extra capacity.
RalphS  [Member]
2/26/2012 11:06:44 PM
If your grip isn't just right, gun won't fire.

You've obviously never shot a gun with a grip safety.

The best thing about a grip safety is that I can shove the gun back into the holster and as long as I'm not squeezing the grip safety, I know that the gun will not go off accidentally even if the trigger catches on something.
gwhunter  [Member]
2/27/2012 2:49:29 PM
Since the lead time is so long for the Crossbreed I'm going to order the Minotaur for the glock 22 I just picked up, and the infidel for the XDSC on the way. I'll definatly review the infidel after I use it some.
TargetBlaster  [Member]
2/27/2012 3:16:59 PM
Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By TargetBlaster:
I hate the grip safety on the XD and XDM. If your grip isn't just right, gun won't fire. Would not carry it for that reason alone.



Keep telling yourself that, bud.

If your grip is so horrible that you don't hit the grip safety (which is compressed with MAYBE 1 oz of pressure), the weapon won't cycle anyway.

But keep running your mouth about guns you've never used.


I just shot one two nights ago. Who is talking out their ass now? I have shot other guns with grip safeties and have never had an issue with them.

I was bench resting one two nights ago and the grip saftey wasnt fully engaging. That was partially due to the size of my hand and the type of rest that I had to use but in a self defense situation where my grip may not be optimal due to a variety of circumstances, the last thing I want to worry about is the thing not going off. I have shot other XDMS and you would hardly even know it even had a grip safety and it was very reliable.

A couple nights ago was not the first time I shot an XDM and the grip safety seemd to be a little problematic. FOR ME, the grip safeties on XDMS are hit and miss and I wouldn't trust them. Xdms have never felt good in my hand and that is also probably part of the problem.

To each their own.

DJinGA  [Life Member]
2/27/2012 4:36:08 PM
Originally Posted By TargetBlaster:
Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By TargetBlaster:
I hate the grip safety on the XD and XDM. If your grip isn't just right, gun won't fire. Would not carry it for that reason alone.



Keep telling yourself that, bud.

If your grip is so horrible that you don't hit the grip safety (which is compressed with MAYBE 1 oz of pressure), the weapon won't cycle anyway.

But keep running your mouth about guns you've never used.


I just shot one two nights ago. Who is talking out their ass now? I have shot other guns with grip safeties and have never had an issue with them.

I was bench resting one two nights ago and the grip saftey wasnt fully engaging. That was partially due to the size of my hand and the type of rest that I had to use but in a self defense situation where my grip may not be optimal due to a variety of circumstances, the last thing I want to worry about is the thing not going off. I have shot other XDMS and you would hardly even know it even had a grip safety and it was very reliable.

A couple nights ago was not the first time I shot an XDM and the grip safety seemd to be a little problematic. FOR ME, the grip safeties on XDMS are hit and miss and I wouldn't trust them. Xdms have never felt good in my hand and that is also probably part of the problem.

To each their own.



If you can't maintain a proper grip to activate the safety, you have no business firing a weapon in self defense.
TargetBlaster  [Member]
2/27/2012 5:49:45 PM
Originally Posted By DJinGA:
Originally Posted By TargetBlaster:
Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By TargetBlaster:
I hate the grip safety on the XD and XDM. If your grip isn't just right, gun won't fire. Would not carry it for that reason alone.



Keep telling yourself that, bud.

If your grip is so horrible that you don't hit the grip safety (which is compressed with MAYBE 1 oz of pressure), the weapon won't cycle anyway.

But keep running your mouth about guns you've never used.


I just shot one two nights ago. Who is talking out their ass now? I have shot other guns with grip safeties and have never had an issue with them.

I was bench resting one two nights ago and the grip saftey wasnt fully engaging. That was partially due to the size of my hand and the type of rest that I had to use but in a self defense situation where my grip may not be optimal due to a variety of circumstances, the last thing I want to worry about is the thing not going off. I have shot other XDMS and you would hardly even know it even had a grip safety and it was very reliable.

A couple nights ago was not the first time I shot an XDM and the grip safety seemd to be a little problematic. FOR ME, the grip safeties on XDMS are hit and miss and I wouldn't trust them. Xdms have never felt good in my hand and that is also probably part of the problem.

To each their own.

If you can't maintain a proper grip to activate the safety, you have no business firing a weapon in self defense.


I can maintain a proper grip and I know how to shoot. What some people fail to acknowledge is that the grip safeties on the XDM are not as big or as well designed IMO as the ones on a 1911. Take into account different hand sizes, different length grips, etc, and it is not for everybody. I've shot several of my buddy's guns and I even won money with one of my buddy's XDM 5.25 in a shooting competition. I think it is a great range gun but when it comes to self defense, the grip safety kills it for me. I don't like a magazine disconnect on a self defense gun either. That is why we have different brands to choose from.
RalphS  [Member]
2/27/2012 7:21:35 PM
What size are your hands? I wear XL gloves and I have no problems with the grip safety.