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How safe are Keltecs?
6/6/2009 12:31:25 PM
Thinking about getting a Keltec for pocket carry
and I waswondering just how safe they are with
one in the chamber.
this gun I want to carry all the time where ever I am
but I 'm a little concerned with safety when I'm playing
with my 1yr. old son,especially when the boy has earned
the knick name Bam Bam.
Rigger7
and I waswondering just how safe they are with
one in the chamber.
this gun I want to carry all the time where ever I am
but I 'm a little concerned with safety when I'm playing
with my 1yr. old son,especially when the boy has earned
the knick name Bam Bam.
Rigger7
6/6/2009 12:56:11 PM
It isn't going to be safe if you let Bam Bam play with it. Get yourself a pocket holster and keep it in your pocket and it will be safe.
6/6/2009 1:41:20 PM
As far as "safety" I'm not exactly sure what you are asking, so I'll cover both aspects. The trigger pull is hard enough that I am almost positive that it couldn't be pulled accidentally if it were in your pocket, especially if it's in a pocket holster. the trigger pull is long, and takes some effort.
That said, if a kid gets a hold of it, they will be able to pull the trigger. The very fact that it is so tiny and convenient, makes it easy to screw up and leave it where kids have access. It takes extra effort to ensure that it doesn't happen.
That said, if a kid gets a hold of it, they will be able to pull the trigger. The very fact that it is so tiny and convenient, makes it easy to screw up and leave it where kids have access. It takes extra effort to ensure that it doesn't happen.
6/6/2009 10:18:30 PM
None of my kids are going to get a hold of it and
it will always be in a holster.
What I was refering to was if my son was jumping
up and down on my lap and stepped on the pistol.
it will always be in a holster.
What I was refering to was if my son was jumping
up and down on my lap and stepped on the pistol.
6/6/2009 10:54:22 PM
Originally Posted By rigger7:
What I was refering to was if my son was jumping
up and down on my lap and stepped on the pistol.
What I was refering to was if my son was jumping
up and down on my lap and stepped on the pistol.
That is an interesting scenario and wonder myself how such a scenario would be tested for in a controlled environment. It seems to me that it would be very unlikely for the gun to discharge from lateral pressure on the trigger. I would think that the receiver would crack/break/snap before it would discharge from someone jumping on it and even that's a stretch.
That being said, if you want to play it extra safe, then get a pocket holster that's either made of kydex (or similar plastic) or very stiff leather - as opposed to a softer type leather or fabric holster. This way, the trigger is better protected.
I pocket carry my KelTec P3AT in one of these... (Graham Leather Zulu)
The leather is pretty stiff and I highly doubt that a kid bouncing up and down on my lap would cause the gun to discharge.
6/7/2009 1:16:55 AM
I would say carry it with a spent round that has some sharpie on the primer to see if it will go off with the kid jumping on it. But I am not sure that would work, and it would require that you buy the pistol first. I would be more worried about breaking it before side pressure set it off. Like was already said get a leather holster and that should ease the mind.
6/7/2009 6:05:16 AM
The pf9 trigger pull is LONG very long and fairly heavy at that, which makes it more comfortable when pocket carrying. from experience, it would take a fair bit to have an accidental discharge by something snaging the trigger
6/7/2009 6:15:16 AM
OH, and if you end up with a PF-9 kimber 1911 holsters work perfectly, i use a fobus, its made out of hard plastick with a soft plastic/rubber paddle ( you wont know its there)
6/10/2009 1:21:30 PM
Originally Posted By niceguymr:
That is an interesting scenario and wonder myself how such a scenario would be tested for in a controlled environment. It seems to me that it would be very unlikely for the gun to discharge from lateral pressure on the trigger. I would think that the receiver would crack/break/snap before it would discharge from someone jumping on it and even that's a stretch.
That being said, if you want to play it extra safe, then get a pocket holster that's either made of kydex (or similar plastic) or very stiff leather - as opposed to a softer type leather or fabric holster. This way, the trigger is better protected.
I pocket carry my KelTec P3AT in one of these... (Graham Leather Zulu)
http://www.grahamholsters.com/zulu.jpg
The leather is pretty stiff and I highly doubt that a kid bouncing up and down on my lap would cause the gun to discharge.
Originally Posted By rigger7:
What I was refering to was if my son was jumping
up and down on my lap and stepped on the pistol.
What I was refering to was if my son was jumping
up and down on my lap and stepped on the pistol.
That is an interesting scenario and wonder myself how such a scenario would be tested for in a controlled environment. It seems to me that it would be very unlikely for the gun to discharge from lateral pressure on the trigger. I would think that the receiver would crack/break/snap before it would discharge from someone jumping on it and even that's a stretch.
That being said, if you want to play it extra safe, then get a pocket holster that's either made of kydex (or similar plastic) or very stiff leather - as opposed to a softer type leather or fabric holster. This way, the trigger is better protected.
I pocket carry my KelTec P3AT in one of these... (Graham Leather Zulu)
http://www.grahamholsters.com/zulu.jpg
The leather is pretty stiff and I highly doubt that a kid bouncing up and down on my lap would cause the gun to discharge.
That's a nice looking little holster!
I have tons of respect for guys that can get the lines looking so good.
And it won't go off with your kid jumping on it as long as it's in a good quality holster, never use one of those belt clips.
If your really worried about it carry with the chamber empty.
And per your post in the glock forum, you need to reg your pistol as an SBR in order to put a stock on it, that counts for the keltec also ;)
6/10/2009 1:31:09 PM
I had a P3AT, and it would jam abouut ever other mag or so. Even after the "fluff and buff" that everyone talks about...it was still just not reliable enough for me. I switched to a 4" 1911.
Heavier, but I know it's going to go bang if I ever need it to. 500+ rounds without a sinle hickup. I couldn't even get 15 out of the Kel-Tec without it locking up.
Heavier, but I know it's going to go bang if I ever need it to. 500+ rounds without a sinle hickup. I couldn't even get 15 out of the Kel-Tec without it locking up.
6/10/2009 1:35:36 PM
Originally Posted By rigger7:
Thinking about getting a Keltec for pocket carry
and I waswondering just how safe they are with
one in the chamber.
this gun I want to carry all the time where ever I am
but I 'm a little concerned with safety when I'm playing
with my 1yr. old son,especially when the boy has earned
the knick name Bam Bam.
Rigger7
Thinking about getting a Keltec for pocket carry
and I waswondering just how safe they are with
one in the chamber.
this gun I want to carry all the time where ever I am
but I 'm a little concerned with safety when I'm playing
with my 1yr. old son,especially when the boy has earned
the knick name Bam Bam.
Rigger7
If you think youre kid is going to get ahold of it and pull the trigger.....NO gun is going to be safe around him.
6/10/2009 1:40:23 PM
You're going to want a pocket holster to keep your kel-tec from tipping anyway, and any decent design will cover the trigger.
Between that and the quasi-DA trigger pull the P3AT and P32 have, or the DA pull of the PF9 you'll be all set.
Between that and the quasi-DA trigger pull the P3AT and P32 have, or the DA pull of the PF9 you'll be all set.
6/18/2009 11:17:12 PM
so I have a pf-9 and I have tried to pull the trigger (with a snap cap of course) through my pants, and it is impossible. The fabric of the pants and the long trigger pull make it impossible. Now if you had it in your gym shorts, then yes, it could happen.
6/19/2009 12:01:48 AM
Another consideration with Kel-Tecs (at least my P-3AT), is lack of a firing pin block safety. The firing pin can physically hit the primer without user intervention, unlike most modern autoloaders where the firing pin is physically blocked from forward motion if the trigger is not pulled.
6/20/2009 7:30:39 AM
Originally Posted By fizassist:
Another consideration with Kel-Tecs (at least my P-3AT), is lack of a firing pin block safety. The firing pin can physically hit the primer without user intervention, unlike most modern autoloaders where the firing pin is physically blocked from forward motion if the trigger is not pulled.
Another consideration with Kel-Tecs (at least my P-3AT), is lack of a firing pin block safety. The firing pin can physically hit the primer without user intervention, unlike most modern autoloaders where the firing pin is physically blocked from forward motion if the trigger is not pulled.
However, when the slide comes back to load the chamber it actually places the hammer at a "half cock" posistion. The hammer does not rest on the firing pin when a round is loaded and the gun will not go off if dropped, stepped on or ran over.
P.S. I just picked up my second P3AT yesterday
9/17/2009 4:40:42 PM
I believe the PF9 does have a pin locking mechanism and is drop safe.
9/22/2009 4:04:05 PM
Originally Posted By mykrowyre:
I believe the PF9 does have a pin locking mechanism and is drop safe.
I believe the PF9 does have a pin locking mechanism and is drop safe.
your correct, it does
