sure is dead here

WOW this forum sure is dead.

makes me happy I own a PARA.

on second thought, maybe nothing ever goes wrong with these beauties and so there's nothing to bitch about.

I bought a used P14.45 on the EE.

I only did three rapid mag dumps, cleaned it, and put it up. I dont really know how it would stand up to me doing mag after mag after mag for an hour like my Glocks, but shit, Glocks are ultra reliable so I consider anything else inferior in terms of durability.

The AK side's tech forums for repair and troubleshooting are like a true ghost town.

My magazine springs are failing after 14+ years.

Where do we get our magazine springs for the double stack (P14-45)?

Wolf,

www.gunsprings.com

Originally Posted By Dano523: Wolf, www.gunsprings.com

NICE.
I knew they were good to go on 1911 springs, (I'm running their recoil spring) but didn't know if they had them for the double stack magazines.

Thanks

(sort308) I have a para, and love it. I have P14-45. I want to have some night sights put on it. Any suggestions, and a ball park figure? My para never gave me any problems, but had a problem with the mag springs. Went to the firing line guns shop, and he told me to write or call them. I did that, and those folks sent me new springs and followers. I was impressed, and will buy another para.
Thanks, sort308

I had a Para. It was a great gun. I recommended them to friends and bought a Single stack CCW. It was a piece of shit. They replaced it. That was a piece of shit. They replaced it. THAT was a piece of shit. They told me to go jump in the lake. I MADE them fix it, sold it and told them to do the same. Having been educated over those years about their "quality" and the "competancy" of their warranty station, I have learned that Para is a shitty company that cuts too many corners for what they charge.

I will never buy another Para again.

Originally Posted By pulpsmack: I had a Para. It was a great gun. I recommended them to friends and bought a Single stack CCW. It was a piece of shit. They replaced it. That was a piece of shit. They replaced it. THAT was a piece of shit. They told me to go jump in the lake. I MADE them fix it, sold it and told them to do the same. Having been educated over those years about their "quality" and the "competancy" of their warranty station, I have learned that Para is a shitty company that cuts too many corners for what they charge. I will never buy another Para again.

God Bless you!!!
It's quotes like this that allow me to pick up used Para's on the cheap side for builds.

Meh my 7.45 works just fine and has since the beginning. No idea what the round count is now but it's a lot, I've got several hundred pieces of brass that I know were fired from it along with shooting IDPA where I never find my brass. Then usually I'm only able to recover half sometimes less of my brass from the range due to it being lost in the jungle like grass on the pistol field.

Originally Posted By stormwalker: on second thought, maybe nothing ever goes wrong with these beauties and so there's nothing to bitch about.

Yeah, thats it.

Originally Posted By ADaughen: My magazine springs are failing after 14+ years. Where do we get our magazine springs for the double stack (P14-45)?

Try www.arredondoaccessories.com. I "heard" that someone got extended bases and springs there back when we weren't supposed to play with mags over 10. Picked up just the hi cap tubes direect from Para, added followers, bases and springs from arredondo and they still work like the day they were assembled. Nothing wrong with 16 rounds of 45ACP. Two of those for spares and the original P-12 in the gun and you have 45 /45s to see you through.
I own 3 Para pistols and the only reason I only have three is because my gun budget isn't recovered from my last purchase which was a Rock River AR. I have a P-12, a P-14 and a P-14 LDA. all three are stainless, limited in 45ACP. I don't know which one I like best. I can't count the rounds that went through all of them without a hiccup. The P-12 is my carry gun for the past 6 years.

Two things to point out.

Para mag springs are weak to begin with, so when you do replace the factory units, never get the factory springs go with the wolf units. Also, wolf offers both extra strength units, and ones with a few extra coils over that one as well. If you are going to add base extenders, get the longer extra strength springs.

The other is just before the ban, Para dumped every mag that they could produce into the states before the ban date hit. Some of the mags run fine, while others where just junk. Para openly admits to this, and will replace a High cap mags for free. There reasoning behind all of this is that as long as a mag made it into the states before the ban (good or bad) it could be replaced with another working high cap mag without problems (read made when they had a chance to slow down and produce good working bodies after the ban hit).

I have a P16.40 Limited that I use in Limitied for USPSA matches. It runs like a top. I use Dawson +4 base pads w/ the factory follower and spring and have never had issues. The finish is the only complaint I have on it, it's not the most durable.

Originally Posted By BPR: I have a P16.40 Limited that I use in Limitied for USPSA matches. It runs like a top. I use Dawson +4 base pads w/ the factory follower and spring and have never had issues. The finish is the only complaint I have on it, it's not the most durable.

The SX16-40 limited slides are finished in semi Duracoat black from the factory if you are looking for what to touch it up with (the sides are polished after being coated). You don't have to remove the old coating, just use a cleaning path soaked in Acetone to "wet sand" out any deep scratches, and you can apply a spot coating right over the trouble areas.

Note: If you just want to remove the coating, you can tape up the sides after removing the sights (use heat) and just glass bead blast in 180 glass @ 45psi to match the frame.

Originally Posted By Lumpy196: Originally Posted By stormwalker: on second thought, maybe nothing ever goes wrong with these beauties and so there's nothing to bitch about. Yeah, thats it.

+1 Para's don't ever break.

I have a Para P14 really sweet it currently is getting a smoother trigger and some tweaking by a smith but never any problems.

anybody have any input on PARA's "power extractor" and LDA triggers?

how durable are they?

this is my only worry about my LDA.

The X-tractor works great if you just take the time to tune it. You tune the claw like any other 1911 extractor, but the additional step is to break the outer edge of the extractor where it connects to the main body. This is the pivot point for the claw section in the slide channel (where the extractor claw back section pushes against the slide channel) and since the channel in the slides are reamed less than stellar, the extractor rear out side sharp edge will catch on of the channel groves and can hang it up a bit (read even worse with fouling).

As for the LDA trigger system, it is a Swiss watch in some aspect with all the parts (they are MIM and there is not forged after market parts for them to boot), but the really killer for me on the system is the connection point of the transfer barrel. Granted it’s not the most bullet proof type of connection to start with, but what really kills me is there in nothing like a C clip holding it in place (the slide holds it in place) and if you get in a rush assembling one back together, you end up with a dead trigger. Plus I should add, it’s not a day at the beach having to do a detail strip on the LDA FCG for an annual cleaning.

Thanks Dano, what kind of round count can I expect out of this system before major problems?

Originally Posted By stormwalker: Thanks Dano, what kind of round count can I expect out of this system before major problems?

Really not sure what you mean?

Replace the springs and do maintenance the pistol when needed, and it will last about as long as any other cast parts pistol. Don't replace the springs (recoil spring in general) and you may crack a frame at 10K or less.

As started, there a MIM parts in the pistol, and they will need to be replaced given enough time/wear (softer than bar stock/forged parts, so they wear faster). As for the MIM parts being evil, no not really, that is unless one of them has a casting void and just decides to crack out of the blue without warning (same can happen to bar stock/forged parts that have been incorrectly heat treated as well).

I guess what I mean is compared to a Glock which can and does go tens of thousands of rounds with (maybe) a recoil spring change with out serious issues that will take the gun out of the fight, how does the PARA stack up to that kind of wear and tear?

right now my para is a safe queen and is fun to shoot, but I wouldn't trust it to go into combat or a SHTF senerio like a NOLA situation.

Originally Posted By stormwalker: I guess what I mean is compared to a Glock which can and does go tens of thousands of rounds with (maybe) a recoil spring change with out serious issues that will take the gun out of the fight, how does the PARA stack up to that kind of wear and tear? right now my para is a safe queen and is fun to shoot, but I wouldn't trust it to go into combat or a SHTF senerio like a NOLA situation.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Your Para will go tens of thousands of round with only needing spring replacements.

The Glock on the other hand is going to go hundreds of thousands of rounds, and worst cause if you have to replace everything on the pistol short of the slide, barrel, or frame, it's not going to cost you a thing (read hand a Glock pistol to any certified Glock armor and they will replace any worn/cracked part for free, including upgrading the pistol if new designed parts have come out for it).

Both great guns, one may indeed last longer than the other but I seriously doubt if 99.995% of any shooters will ever shoot out any good quality handgun. just ain't gonna happen..My Para is a super shooter, the LDA is totally awsome. MIM, who cares,

Originally Posted By Dano523: Two things to point out. Para mag springs are weak to begin with, so when you do replace the factory units, never get the factory springs go with the wolf units. Also, wolf offers both extra strength units, and ones with a few extra coils over that one as well. If you are going to add base extenders, get the longer extra strength springs. The other is just before the ban, Para dumped every mag that they could produce into the states before the ban date hit. Some of the mags run fine, while others where just junk. Para openly admits to this, and will replace a High cap mags for free. There reasoning behind all of this is that as long as a mag made it into the states before the ban (good or bad) it could be replaced with another working high cap mag without problems (read made when they had a chance to slow down and produce good working bodies after the ban hit).

So far I have found no one who makes replacment mag springs for the single stack carry 9, OTHER THAN PARA..

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