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ARMASIGHT night vision clip on.
5/8/2012 9:30:14 AM
Morning all, have been an avid follower of CNVD (from years in the sandbox to the Global War on fig.11s) and came across a manufacturer call Armasight. Seems they make some gen 3 clip on for under 5K and am very interested in the CO Mini 3 Gen three (see link below). As you can see from the bottom picture this thing is smaller than KAC's UNS-SR.
http://www.thenightvisionoptics.com/product/armasight-co-mini-3-gen-3-day-night-vision-clip-on-system-standard-definition-nsccomini139dd1/
was just wondering if anyone had any experience? Would love a TNVC mini WASP but haven't heard much recently so perhaps this would be an interesting alternative. Below is a video from Shot show this year,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNRPKJwIsFc
So anyone have any input, or am I to be the dummy tester...................
http://www.thenightvisionoptics.com/product/armasight-co-mini-3-gen-3-day-night-vision-clip-on-system-standard-definition-nsccomini139dd1/
was just wondering if anyone had any experience? Would love a TNVC mini WASP but haven't heard much recently so perhaps this would be an interesting alternative. Below is a video from Shot show this year,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNRPKJwIsFc
So anyone have any input, or am I to be the dummy tester...................
5/8/2012 11:35:33 AM
Interesting...
I breifly browsed their offerings from your link and have this to say:
The co-mini doesn't seem to afford much benefit from in front of the scope, the objective is small (light gathering) and the exit objective is also small (portion mating to dayscope.
I would be concerned about light gathering with that system to obtain the stated resolution and brightness ratings.
I also see ZERO indication of recoil ratings for their entire line of products.
The prices are low, I suppose you are looking for something better than ATN but more economical than high grade equipment?
I am thinking night vision is alot like tire sales, each company can rate their scopes brightness / resolution / recoil ability on their own scale without too much fallout because the amount of consumers who are actually able to A - B compare the products are small.
Let us know what you find out, more research is necessary on these offerings.
BB
I breifly browsed their offerings from your link and have this to say:
The co-mini doesn't seem to afford much benefit from in front of the scope, the objective is small (light gathering) and the exit objective is also small (portion mating to dayscope.
I would be concerned about light gathering with that system to obtain the stated resolution and brightness ratings.
I also see ZERO indication of recoil ratings for their entire line of products.
The prices are low, I suppose you are looking for something better than ATN but more economical than high grade equipment?
I am thinking night vision is alot like tire sales, each company can rate their scopes brightness / resolution / recoil ability on their own scale without too much fallout because the amount of consumers who are actually able to A - B compare the products are small.
Let us know what you find out, more research is necessary on these offerings.
BB
5/8/2012 11:39:35 AM
VERY interesting, almost seems too good to be true. Bennybone is right, that objective is TINY!
5/8/2012 11:48:30 AM
Hmmm links are dead for me. I wonder why.
5/8/2012 11:53:53 AM
Having been in the military and pretty much used everything I don't expect it to be 'mil spec', I also find the advice of the forums to 'just save up 8-10k' not all that helpful. Am happy to spend 5k on a second hand PVS 24, but who isn't? The application will be nothing more than putting in front of a Elcan x4OS for fun. Would really be interesting to see how usable it would be in front of a four power, the fact that they suggest it could be used up to 10 power is reduculous. They do have a Medium range (MR) and long range (LR) versions that seem to cater to the PVS 22 & 27 market. Victor please buy one and test it, proclaim it's the best thing you've ever seen, then loose all that business 
5/8/2012 11:58:11 AM
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Hmmm links are dead for me. I wonder why.
Hmmm links are dead for me. I wonder why.
Pay attention to the link text, apparently the OP didn't... You have to take out a / in one link and take out an http:// in another.
Seems like OP has the same spelling problems as the website it links to
Nonetheless, I am still trying to find out what tubes these use (recoil) , the nice thing is Optics Planet is marketing them which is a slight hedge towards warranty backup....
BB
5/8/2012 12:25:18 PM
Originally Posted By Bennybone:
Pay attention to the link text, apparently the OP didn't... You have to take out a / in one link and take out an http:// in another.
Seems like OP has the same spelling problems as the website it links to
Nonetheless, I am still trying to find out what tubes these use (recoil) , the nice thing is Optics Planet is marketing them which is a slight hedge towards warranty backup....
BB
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Hmmm links are dead for me. I wonder why.
Hmmm links are dead for me. I wonder why.
Pay attention to the link text, apparently the OP didn't... You have to take out a / in one link and take out an http:// in another.
Seems like OP has the same spelling problems as the website it links to
Nonetheless, I am still trying to find out what tubes these use (recoil) , the nice thing is Optics Planet is marketing them which is a slight hedge towards warranty backup....
BB
Anytime I don't recognize something I Google one of three things : Dipol, Dedal or Cot. These are Russian manufacturers and some make some pretty good kit. Cot is responsible for much of ATN's offerings. Dipol makes the housings for the D-760 and 740.
5/8/2012 12:51:00 PM
Ahh so it was because of some simple typo's.
I guess my internal red flag went up when the links did not work and the OP had one post. I thought we had some type of rules violation happening on non dealers hawking product.
Besides I guess I always figured if you could link you would know how to do it correctly
I guess my internal red flag went up when the links did not work and the OP had one post. I thought we had some type of rules violation happening on non dealers hawking product.
Besides I guess I always figured if you could link you would know how to do it correctly
5/8/2012 12:52:00 PM
Dino -
I just got off the phone with Steve at Armasight, very informative conversation regarding their product - its too bad they don't post the information he gave me on the website for the products.
In any case he shared that the tubes have been tested on .308 AR10's and bolt action rifles and that the tube and housing are able to withstand that level of recoil impulse.
He says the housing are very durable, that alot of thought went into the mounting systems to ensure positive force on the rail and repeatable zero.
I may have to try out one of their 4x riflescopes in the Gen 2+ configuration....
A-B it with my Pulsar N550 without IR illumination, sounds like a fun project for the Summer.
Russian kits, you got a link for those?
BB
I just got off the phone with Steve at Armasight, very informative conversation regarding their product - its too bad they don't post the information he gave me on the website for the products.
In any case he shared that the tubes have been tested on .308 AR10's and bolt action rifles and that the tube and housing are able to withstand that level of recoil impulse.
He says the housing are very durable, that alot of thought went into the mounting systems to ensure positive force on the rail and repeatable zero.
I may have to try out one of their 4x riflescopes in the Gen 2+ configuration....
A-B it with my Pulsar N550 without IR illumination, sounds like a fun project for the Summer.
Russian kits, you got a link for those?
BB
5/8/2012 1:24:17 PM
Originally Posted By Bennybone:
Dino -
I just got off the phone with Steve at Armasight, very informative conversation regarding their product - its too bad they don't post the information he gave me on the website for the products.
In any case he shared that the tubes have been tested on .308 AR10's and bolt action rifles and that the tube and housing are able to withstand that level of recoil impulse.
He says the housing are very durable, that alot of thought went into the mounting systems to ensure positive force on the rail and repeatable zero.
I may have to try out one of their 4x riflescopes in the Gen 2+ configuration....
A-B it with my Pulsar N550 without IR illumination, sounds like a fun project for the Summer.
Russian kits, you got a link for those?
BB
Dino -
I just got off the phone with Steve at Armasight, very informative conversation regarding their product - its too bad they don't post the information he gave me on the website for the products.
In any case he shared that the tubes have been tested on .308 AR10's and bolt action rifles and that the tube and housing are able to withstand that level of recoil impulse.
He says the housing are very durable, that alot of thought went into the mounting systems to ensure positive force on the rail and repeatable zero.
I may have to try out one of their 4x riflescopes in the Gen 2+ configuration....
A-B it with my Pulsar N550 without IR illumination, sounds like a fun project for the Summer.
Russian kits, you got a link for those?
BB
I realize many don't have the time or talent to spell everything right or search Russian dealers. The housing really does not concern me and my only true concern would be with how it holds zero.
The tube now is another ball game. Russian tubes and even DEP tubes have been known to have power supply issues from time to time. US tubes have the best and most durable power supplies IMHO. I generally like Russian scopes and optics. I love the D-760 and 740 although the ones I like contain US tubes.
Older US tubes without AG power supply's tend to be more durable. This is a combination of two factors. Standard power supply and lower specs. Halo being the most important. Russian tubes would be non AG tubes with lower specs. I just hear of so many problems with them I can't recommend them.
I don't know what tube the Armasight is using. I really hope it is a US tube of some sort.
5/8/2012 1:29:33 PM
Good job BB, I sent them an email with a link to the discussion asking for more detailed specs and told them they may fill a niche in the market. Was there any details on the source of their tubes? Apologies for my linking screwup!!!!
5/8/2012 3:29:45 PM
Looks kinda like a PVS-14 battery housing turned around.
5/8/2012 4:41:00 PM
No I didn't ask what tube they are using, I figure there is no way for me to verify so why publish something I am not 100% about.
They are just getting "online" even though the product is up at a few online retailers. It will be a few weeks before they can ship.
Dino - Thanks for the information.
BB
They are just getting "online" even though the product is up at a few online retailers. It will be a few weeks before they can ship.
Dino - Thanks for the information.
BB
5/8/2012 6:06:21 PM
Originally Posted By Bennybone:
No I didn't ask what tube they are using, I figure there is no way for me to verify so why publish something I am not 100% about.
They are just getting "online" even though the product is up at a few online retailers. It will be a few weeks before they can ship.
Dino - Thanks for the information.
BB
No I didn't ask what tube they are using, I figure there is no way for me to verify so why publish something I am not 100% about.
They are just getting "online" even though the product is up at a few online retailers. It will be a few weeks before they can ship.
Dino - Thanks for the information.
BB
I've been seeing alot of their stuff popping up on eBay. with the amount of products they have with Gen 2+ tubes, I'm assuming its all foreign.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
5/9/2012 3:59:30 PM
From Steven Budovlya at Armasight Inc
Good Afternoon Mr. Pettigrew,
Thank you for your e-mail. Please find attached PDF. Spec sheet for Armasight CO-Mini. CO-Mini in 3rd generation is for U.S. market only, so we only U.S. image intensifier tubes from vendors such as ITT or L3.
In terms of recoil, because device is designed primarily to be utilized on assault rifles, calibers such as 5.56 or .308 caliber. It is 100% recoil proof.
He also send me a spec sheet, which I have transposed below
Simple and quick conversion of daytime scope, sight or binoculars to
Night Vision
Mounts in front of ri_escope with no re-zeroing required
Equipped with Wireless Remote Control
Variable Gain Control
Powered by a single alkaline 1.5V AA or 3V CR123A lithium battery
Low Battery Indicator
Quick Release Mount
Bright Light Cut-o_ System
Mil Standard Compliant
Limited Two-Year Warranty
Designed for short-to-medium ranges, the Armasight CO-MINI is the most compact commercially
available Clip-On Night Vision Device. The CO-MINI uses image intensi_cation technology and is
designed to convert most low-to-mid power daytime sights, scopes, or binoculars to operate at night.
The CO-MINI can be mounted in seconds and without tools. It can be attached in front of a day ri_e
scope (using its quick release Picatinny mount) or directly onto the day scope (or binocular/
telescope) objective lens with the included adaptor.
Suitable for use with most commercial and military speci_cation day time sights, telescopes or
binoculars (up to 6X magni_cation). Because the CO-MINI is mounted in front of your own day scope,
the shooters eye relief is not altered, and shot release and follow through all remain intuitive.
The clip-on device is factory bore-sighted to better than 1MOA accuracy, so no alteration in zero is
experienced, and it really is as simple as mount and shoot, just as in day time.
The Armasight CO-MINI is intended primarily for use by the most demanding hunter or short range
assaulter, where _eld of view and ease of use is more important than high magni_cation. Packed with
innovative and important features – variable gain control, bright light shut-o_, wireless remote
control are just a few – the Armasight CO-MINI is designed to make quick intuitive shooting just as
easy at night as it is during the day.
Whether your day scope is a well known brand or not, the Armasight CO-MINI will work just as well at
magni_cations 2-6X. Available in a variety of high performing Gen 2+ and Gen 3 image tube options
to cater for all budgets, the CO-MINI brings high quality clip-on night vision within everyone’s reach.
Image Tube
Gen 2+ “SD” Standard De_nition: 45-51 lp/mm
Gen 2+ “HD” High De_nition: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3 “FLAG” Film-Less Auto-Gated: 62-72 lp/mm
Magninfication 1x (recommended to use with up to 6x day time optics)
Lens System F1:1.44, 38mm
FOV (°) 12
Exit Pupil (mm) 22
Range of Focus (m) 10 to infinity
Diopter Adjustment No
Controls Direct
Remote Control Yes (Wireless)
Variable Gain Control Yes
Bright Light Cut-off Yes
Infrared Illuminator Detachable Long Range IR Illuminator
Low Battery Indicator Yes
Power Supply 1 x 1.5V AA type battery or 1 x 3V CR123A type battery
Battery Life (hours) 60 ( 3 V ) / 30 (1. 5 V )
Environmental Rating Waterproof
MIL-STD-810 Yes
Operating Temp (°C) -51 to +49
Storage Temp -51 to +49
Dimensions (mm/in) 177 x 85 x 83 / 7.0 x 3.4 x 3.3
Weight (kg/lbs) 0.84 / 1.85
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
Good Afternoon Mr. Pettigrew,
Thank you for your e-mail. Please find attached PDF. Spec sheet for Armasight CO-Mini. CO-Mini in 3rd generation is for U.S. market only, so we only U.S. image intensifier tubes from vendors such as ITT or L3.
In terms of recoil, because device is designed primarily to be utilized on assault rifles, calibers such as 5.56 or .308 caliber. It is 100% recoil proof.
He also send me a spec sheet, which I have transposed below
Simple and quick conversion of daytime scope, sight or binoculars to
Night Vision
Mounts in front of ri_escope with no re-zeroing required
Equipped with Wireless Remote Control
Variable Gain Control
Powered by a single alkaline 1.5V AA or 3V CR123A lithium battery
Low Battery Indicator
Quick Release Mount
Bright Light Cut-o_ System
Mil Standard Compliant
Limited Two-Year Warranty
Designed for short-to-medium ranges, the Armasight CO-MINI is the most compact commercially
available Clip-On Night Vision Device. The CO-MINI uses image intensi_cation technology and is
designed to convert most low-to-mid power daytime sights, scopes, or binoculars to operate at night.
The CO-MINI can be mounted in seconds and without tools. It can be attached in front of a day ri_e
scope (using its quick release Picatinny mount) or directly onto the day scope (or binocular/
telescope) objective lens with the included adaptor.
Suitable for use with most commercial and military speci_cation day time sights, telescopes or
binoculars (up to 6X magni_cation). Because the CO-MINI is mounted in front of your own day scope,
the shooters eye relief is not altered, and shot release and follow through all remain intuitive.
The clip-on device is factory bore-sighted to better than 1MOA accuracy, so no alteration in zero is
experienced, and it really is as simple as mount and shoot, just as in day time.
The Armasight CO-MINI is intended primarily for use by the most demanding hunter or short range
assaulter, where _eld of view and ease of use is more important than high magni_cation. Packed with
innovative and important features – variable gain control, bright light shut-o_, wireless remote
control are just a few – the Armasight CO-MINI is designed to make quick intuitive shooting just as
easy at night as it is during the day.
Whether your day scope is a well known brand or not, the Armasight CO-MINI will work just as well at
magni_cations 2-6X. Available in a variety of high performing Gen 2+ and Gen 3 image tube options
to cater for all budgets, the CO-MINI brings high quality clip-on night vision within everyone’s reach.
Image Tube
Gen 2+ “SD” Standard De_nition: 45-51 lp/mm
Gen 2+ “HD” High De_nition: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3 “FLAG” Film-Less Auto-Gated: 62-72 lp/mm
Magninfication 1x (recommended to use with up to 6x day time optics)
Lens System F1:1.44, 38mm
FOV (°) 12
Exit Pupil (mm) 22
Range of Focus (m) 10 to infinity
Diopter Adjustment No
Controls Direct
Remote Control Yes (Wireless)
Variable Gain Control Yes
Bright Light Cut-off Yes
Infrared Illuminator Detachable Long Range IR Illuminator
Low Battery Indicator Yes
Power Supply 1 x 1.5V AA type battery or 1 x 3V CR123A type battery
Battery Life (hours) 60 ( 3 V ) / 30 (1. 5 V )
Environmental Rating Waterproof
MIL-STD-810 Yes
Operating Temp (°C) -51 to +49
Storage Temp -51 to +49
Dimensions (mm/in) 177 x 85 x 83 / 7.0 x 3.4 x 3.3
Weight (kg/lbs) 0.84 / 1.85
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
5/9/2012 4:14:00 PM
Originally Posted By james267:
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
In my professional accounting opinion, probably. I suspect its going to end up being similar to sticking a PVS-14 out in front of your scope.
It works, kinda. but there are better options. Zero shift may be less or at least less severe (IME) since this is a purpose built clip on, but I think the image will still be dark. and small.
All that being said, I still plan on getting a Gen 2+ in the next week or 2 to try out for 'dillo shootin.
5/9/2012 5:14:45 PM
Originally Posted By james267:
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
Again, based on my experiences in the field with various NV, if you intend to use a NVD IN FRONT of another optic (day scope) you will want a large objective so that you initially gather as much light as possible. This goes for Gens 1 2 and 3. If you start out gathering a limited amount of light by the time it passes through 3 optics planes (including your eyes) it won't be OPTIMAL.
Now if their scopes can achieve the rated GEN 2+ HD res values as published it would make more sense to go with a dedicated night scope on the gun instead of a clip on.
Anyone care to inform us how to ensure that a tube is producing an image in a given resolution range?
I talked with Steve yesterday and tube data cards WILL NOT be sent for the Gen 2 riflescopes.
BB
5/9/2012 6:25:55 PM
Originally Posted By james267:
From Steven Budovlya at Armasight Inc
Good Afternoon Mr. Pettigrew,
Thank you for your e-mail. Please find attached PDF. Spec sheet for Armasight CO-Mini. CO-Mini in 3rd generation is for U.S. market only, so we only U.S. image intensifier tubes from vendors such as ITT or L3.
In terms of recoil, because device is designed primarily to be utilized on assault rifles, calibers such as 5.56 or .308 caliber. It is 100% recoil proof.
He also send me a spec sheet, which I have transposed below
Simple and quick conversion of daytime scope, sight or binoculars to
Night Vision
Mounts in front of ri_escope with no re-zeroing required
Equipped with Wireless Remote Control
Variable Gain Control
Powered by a single alkaline 1.5V AA or 3V CR123A lithium battery
Low Battery Indicator
Quick Release Mount
Bright Light Cut-o_ System
Mil Standard Compliant
Limited Two-Year Warranty
Designed for short-to-medium ranges, the Armasight CO-MINI is the most compact commercially
available Clip-On Night Vision Device. The CO-MINI uses image intensi_cation technology and is
designed to convert most low-to-mid power daytime sights, scopes, or binoculars to operate at night.
The CO-MINI can be mounted in seconds and without tools. It can be attached in front of a day ri_e
scope (using its quick release Picatinny mount) or directly onto the day scope (or binocular/
telescope) objective lens with the included adaptor.
Suitable for use with most commercial and military speci_cation day time sights, telescopes or
binoculars (up to 6X magni_cation). Because the CO-MINI is mounted in front of your own day scope,
the shooters eye relief is not altered, and shot release and follow through all remain intuitive.
The clip-on device is factory bore-sighted to better than 1MOA accuracy, so no alteration in zero is
experienced, and it really is as simple as mount and shoot, just as in day time.
The Armasight CO-MINI is intended primarily for use by the most demanding hunter or short range
assaulter, where _eld of view and ease of use is more important than high magni_cation. Packed with
innovative and important features – variable gain control, bright light shut-o_, wireless remote
control are just a few – the Armasight CO-MINI is designed to make quick intuitive shooting just as
easy at night as it is during the day.
Whether your day scope is a well known brand or not, the Armasight CO-MINI will work just as well at
magni_cations 2-6X. Available in a variety of high performing Gen 2+ and Gen 3 image tube options
to cater for all budgets, the CO-MINI brings high quality clip-on night vision within everyone’s reach.
Image Tube
Gen 2+ “SD” Standard De_nition: 45-51 lp/mm
Gen 2+ “HD” High De_nition: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3 “FLAG” Film-Less Auto-Gated: 62-72 lp/mm
Magninfication 1x (recommended to use with up to 6x day time optics)
Lens System F1:1.44, 38mm
FOV (°) 12
Exit Pupil (mm) 22
Range of Focus (m) 10 to infinity
Diopter Adjustment No
Controls Direct
Remote Control Yes (Wireless)
Variable Gain Control Yes
Bright Light Cut-off Yes
Infrared Illuminator Detachable Long Range IR Illuminator
Low Battery Indicator Yes
Power Supply 1 x 1.5V AA type battery or 1 x 3V CR123A type battery
Battery Life (hours) 60 ( 3 V ) / 30 (1. 5 V )
Environmental Rating Waterproof
MIL-STD-810 Yes
Operating Temp (°C) -51 to +49
Storage Temp -51 to +49
Dimensions (mm/in) 177 x 85 x 83 / 7.0 x 3.4 x 3.3
Weight (kg/lbs) 0.84 / 1.85
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
From Steven Budovlya at Armasight Inc
Good Afternoon Mr. Pettigrew,
Thank you for your e-mail. Please find attached PDF. Spec sheet for Armasight CO-Mini. CO-Mini in 3rd generation is for U.S. market only, so we only U.S. image intensifier tubes from vendors such as ITT or L3.
In terms of recoil, because device is designed primarily to be utilized on assault rifles, calibers such as 5.56 or .308 caliber. It is 100% recoil proof.
He also send me a spec sheet, which I have transposed below
Simple and quick conversion of daytime scope, sight or binoculars to
Night Vision
Mounts in front of ri_escope with no re-zeroing required
Equipped with Wireless Remote Control
Variable Gain Control
Powered by a single alkaline 1.5V AA or 3V CR123A lithium battery
Low Battery Indicator
Quick Release Mount
Bright Light Cut-o_ System
Mil Standard Compliant
Limited Two-Year Warranty
Designed for short-to-medium ranges, the Armasight CO-MINI is the most compact commercially
available Clip-On Night Vision Device. The CO-MINI uses image intensi_cation technology and is
designed to convert most low-to-mid power daytime sights, scopes, or binoculars to operate at night.
The CO-MINI can be mounted in seconds and without tools. It can be attached in front of a day ri_e
scope (using its quick release Picatinny mount) or directly onto the day scope (or binocular/
telescope) objective lens with the included adaptor.
Suitable for use with most commercial and military speci_cation day time sights, telescopes or
binoculars (up to 6X magni_cation). Because the CO-MINI is mounted in front of your own day scope,
the shooters eye relief is not altered, and shot release and follow through all remain intuitive.
The clip-on device is factory bore-sighted to better than 1MOA accuracy, so no alteration in zero is
experienced, and it really is as simple as mount and shoot, just as in day time.
The Armasight CO-MINI is intended primarily for use by the most demanding hunter or short range
assaulter, where _eld of view and ease of use is more important than high magni_cation. Packed with
innovative and important features – variable gain control, bright light shut-o_, wireless remote
control are just a few – the Armasight CO-MINI is designed to make quick intuitive shooting just as
easy at night as it is during the day.
Whether your day scope is a well known brand or not, the Armasight CO-MINI will work just as well at
magni_cations 2-6X. Available in a variety of high performing Gen 2+ and Gen 3 image tube options
to cater for all budgets, the CO-MINI brings high quality clip-on night vision within everyone’s reach.
Image Tube
Gen 2+ “SD” Standard De_nition: 45-51 lp/mm
Gen 2+ “HD” High De_nition: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3: 62-72 lp/mm
Gen 3 “FLAG” Film-Less Auto-Gated: 62-72 lp/mm
Magninfication 1x (recommended to use with up to 6x day time optics)
Lens System F1:1.44, 38mm
FOV (°) 12
Exit Pupil (mm) 22
Range of Focus (m) 10 to infinity
Diopter Adjustment No
Controls Direct
Remote Control Yes (Wireless)
Variable Gain Control Yes
Bright Light Cut-off Yes
Infrared Illuminator Detachable Long Range IR Illuminator
Low Battery Indicator Yes
Power Supply 1 x 1.5V AA type battery or 1 x 3V CR123A type battery
Battery Life (hours) 60 ( 3 V ) / 30 (1. 5 V )
Environmental Rating Waterproof
MIL-STD-810 Yes
Operating Temp (°C) -51 to +49
Storage Temp -51 to +49
Dimensions (mm/in) 177 x 85 x 83 / 7.0 x 3.4 x 3.3
Weight (kg/lbs) 0.84 / 1.85
So is it too good to be true?!?!?!
Just the short part I highlighted in red tells me he is full of it. NO tube is 100% recoil proof. None !! He really wants me to believe an L3 filmless or even an AG ITT tube is recoil proof ?? He is in the wrong forum to pass off that fallacy.
It may be a nice scope. Have no idea as I have never seen one yet. But, when people start telling little lies it is almost always snake oil. I just skimmed the specs and will dig deeper after I cut my grass.
5/9/2012 7:19:51 PM
Dino -
I look forward to your input on the specs.
As for the tube being 100% recoil proof, well .... The titanic was unsinkable. It is up to the consumer to be realistic, which again brings me back to eagerly awaiting your thoughts on the spec sheet.
BB
I look forward to your input on the specs.
As for the tube being 100% recoil proof, well .... The titanic was unsinkable. It is up to the consumer to be realistic, which again brings me back to eagerly awaiting your thoughts on the spec sheet.
BB
5/9/2012 8:07:38 PM
Well, after reading it nothing screams out at me. The tubes specs just list resolution and that tells me little. They mention no kind of recoil mitigation system so I don't know how the tube is mounted in the scope. Optics are my weak area and someone else will have to look that over.
I don't know. Who wants to be the Guinea pig ??
Don't know why you need remote control, and I don't like those gizmos on my scopes. They tend to break and I know I would lose the remote. I can't keep track of the TV remote and I have three of them. Them saying "recoil proof" bothers me and no serious milspec scope would ever say that. They may say shock mitigation system or something to that effect but "100% recoil proof" is just not true. Everyone knows that. As Benny said just ask the Captain of the Titanic. Get you a good submarine though. He is pretty deep.
I don't know. Who wants to be the Guinea pig ??
Don't know why you need remote control, and I don't like those gizmos on my scopes. They tend to break and I know I would lose the remote. I can't keep track of the TV remote and I have three of them. Them saying "recoil proof" bothers me and no serious milspec scope would ever say that. They may say shock mitigation system or something to that effect but "100% recoil proof" is just not true. Everyone knows that. As Benny said just ask the Captain of the Titanic. Get you a good submarine though. He is pretty deep.
5/9/2012 8:22:51 PM
I wouldn't think anything GOOD would "scream out at you" on a 1500 - 2500 piece of NV equipment. It is my interest to know if anything BAD sticks out at this price point.
What is unheard of to me, is the stated resolution specs for the HD tube and an ABC (auto brightness control) feature on a scope of this price range. Again I am talking specifically about the Nemesis scope not the clip on micro CO thingy.
If either the ABC or specs are inline for 1499.00 it would be a good 1 - 2k cheaper than other offerings on the market.
I am still waiting for a response to my email regarding the HD Gen 2+ tubes.
BB
What is unheard of to me, is the stated resolution specs for the HD tube and an ABC (auto brightness control) feature on a scope of this price range. Again I am talking specifically about the Nemesis scope not the clip on micro CO thingy.
If either the ABC or specs are inline for 1499.00 it would be a good 1 - 2k cheaper than other offerings on the market.
I am still waiting for a response to my email regarding the HD Gen 2+ tubes.
BB
5/9/2012 8:41:46 PM
Originally Posted By Bennybone:
I wouldn't think anything GOOD would "scream out at you" on a 1500 - 2500 piece of NV equipment. It is my interest to know if anything BAD sticks out at this price point.
What is unheard of to me, is the stated resolution specs for the HD tube and an ABC (auto brightness control) feature on a scope of this price range. Again I am talking specifically about the Nemesis scope not the clip on micro CO thingy.
If either the ABC or specs are inline for 1499.00 it would be a good 1 - 2k cheaper than other offerings on the market.
I am still waiting for a response to my email regarding the HD Gen 2+ tubes.
BB
I wouldn't think anything GOOD would "scream out at you" on a 1500 - 2500 piece of NV equipment. It is my interest to know if anything BAD sticks out at this price point.
What is unheard of to me, is the stated resolution specs for the HD tube and an ABC (auto brightness control) feature on a scope of this price range. Again I am talking specifically about the Nemesis scope not the clip on micro CO thingy.
If either the ABC or specs are inline for 1499.00 it would be a good 1 - 2k cheaper than other offerings on the market.
I am still waiting for a response to my email regarding the HD Gen 2+ tubes.
BB
I can all but guarantee the tubes on the cheaper Gen 2 models are Russian. ALL Gen 2 and 3 tubes I know of have ABC. It is a function of the power supply. Russian Gen 2 tubes are not my thing but I believe they all have ABC as well.
I would rule out all the cheap models and stick with the ones having US Gen 3 tubes or as a second choice DEP. DEP makes good tubes but I have seen a rash of PSU failures as of late. Might just be a fluke. The top of the line unit is roughly 4K which is cheap for a clip on. I would wait until we get some field reports before jumping the shark. Should not take long. Someone will buy it.
I looked over the other scopes they sell and it is all Russian design gear. We can assume that is where this scope is from. At least the housing. Some Russian stuff is very good but the Russians also made the ATN Night Shadow. Here lies the problem. Hopefully we get more user feedback soon.
5/11/2012 10:38:00 AM
I am waiting on the tnvc mini wasp.
5/11/2012 12:37:44 PM
Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
I am waiting on the tnvc mini wasp.
I am waiting on the tnvc mini wasp.
As are we all. But some of us have been waiting for it since 2009 or 10, IIRC. This will be the last "near the end of summer" I will be waiting for it.
TNVC and Vic are some of my favorite people in the gun world... but come on guys. Throw us a bone
5/11/2012 1:52:03 PM
OK, I am late to this topic, but a serious case of insomnia is giving me some time... Sorry for any typos. I'm typing in the dark and can't see my Keyboard.
The product is crappy. I am making that statement based on the specs, which have been clearly published.
Think about it... 38 mm lens? That should be a 27 degree FOV... How much? 12 degrees. That tells you straight away that the optics obscure over half of the available image... Over HALF... For an effective resolution equivalent of Gen1 technology. Great.
The F1.44 is fine however light wise and is way ahead of scopes like the CNVD-LR which doesn't come close, so don't worry about the size of the lens - it's more than big enough to catch the light. But that the lose 55 percent of the tube from the start is worse than just sloppy. It's a major screw up. It will also cause serious damage to any tubes exposed to high light situations regularly ( eg, IR LEDs ) as the ABC will not work correctly, nor the BSP. Ask the Poms about that - they have the same issue with mounting monoculars behind scopes.
Recoil proof? Yep, Dino picked that one from the start. crap...
Solid mounting to avoid POI shift? Huh? Not required on a properly build CNVD... You can stick a properly build CNVD onto a rifle with bubble gum and won't experience POI shift.
Look, as resolution goes, this model is about half the effective resolution of the lowest existing resolution CNVD out there... That's saying something. Max effective magnification capability with a day scope? About 2x...
However, since I've criticised it pretty hard, I will say "at least it's out there" but honestly, this product isn't good for price imo..
As for the WASP Mini mentioned... Well, from what I heard, the prototype was about twice the specs of the model mentioned in this thread and they still canned it as unacceptable... Which is why it's back to the design board for further improvement.
So the WASP Mini was twice as good as this scope and *still* not good enough for what they wanted.
As was said - might as well stick a PVS-14 in front of your dayscope... Well, perhaps that's not fair since the PVS-14 won't have the prisms to correct axis alignment and I assume this model does, but given that the stats alone appear correct based on the pic and show so many issues? I think it's someone trying to cash in on everyone wanting a cheap Clipon. And the specs alone make me want to go to sleep now... And this is still a less than desirable product.
Regards
David
5/11/2012 3:01:36 PM
Originally Posted By cj7hawk:
OK, I am late to this topic, but a serious case of insomnia is giving me some time... Sorry for any typos. I'm typing in the dark and can't see my Keyboard.
OK, I am late to this topic, but a serious case of insomnia is giving me some time... Sorry for any typos. I'm typing in the dark and can't see my Keyboard.
The product is crappy. I am making that statement based on the specs, which have been clearly published.
Think about it... 38 mm lens? That should be a 27 degree FOV... How much? 12 degrees. That tells you straight away that the optics obscure over half of the available image... Over HALF... For an effective resolution equivalent of Gen1 technology. Great.
The F1.44 is fine however light wise and is way ahead of scopes like the CNVD-LR which doesn't come close, so don't worry about the size of the lens - it's more than big enough to catch the light. But that the lose 55 percent of the tube from the start is worse than just sloppy. It's a major screw up. It will also cause serious damage to any tubes exposed to high light situations regularly ( eg, IR LEDs ) as the ABC will not work correctly, nor the BSP. Ask the Poms about that - they have the same issue with mounting monoculars behind scopes.
Recoil proof? Yep, Dino picked that one from the start. crap...
Solid mounting to avoid POI shift? Huh? Not required on a properly build CNVD... You can stick a properly build CNVD onto a rifle with bubble gum and won't experience POI shift.
Look, as resolution goes, this model is about half the effective resolution of the lowest existing resolution CNVD out there... That's saying something. Max effective magnification capability with a day scope? About 2x...
However, since I've criticised it pretty hard, I will say "at least it's out there" but honestly, this product isn't good for price imo..
As for the WASP Mini mentioned... Well, from what I heard, the prototype was about twice the specs of the model mentioned in this thread and they still canned it as unacceptable... Which is why it's back to the design board for further improvement.
So the WASP Mini was twice as good as this scope and *still* not good enough for what they wanted.
As was said - might as well stick a PVS-14 in front of your dayscope... Well, perhaps that's not fair since the PVS-14 won't have the prisms to correct axis alignment and I assume this model does, but given that the stats alone appear correct based on the pic and show so many issues? I think it's someone trying to cash in on everyone wanting a cheap Clipon. And the specs alone make me want to go to sleep now... And this is still a less than desirable product.
Regards
David
Cj7hawk is correct. We can tell you we are close to release and folks are going to be pretty happy.
It had to be right, and we've been shooting the hell out of the current unit. The first units as you know were not a clip-on but a full up observation optic/rifle scope. We took lessons learned with the amazing lens system to incorporate the latest unit set for release. Hope this helps.
Vic
5/11/2012 3:57:55 PM
The hardware is definitely Russian made. Could be COT but I am not sure as of yet.
There are two more clip-on coming, the CO-MR and CO-LR.
There are two more clip-on coming, the CO-MR and CO-LR.
5/11/2012 8:01:39 PM
Originally Posted By last_lancer:
The hardware is definitely Russian made. Could be COT but I am not sure as of yet.
There are two more clip-on coming, the CO-MR and CO-LR.
The hardware is definitely Russian made. Could be COT but I am not sure as of yet.
There are two more clip-on coming, the CO-MR and CO-LR.
It will be interesting to see what they do with these others, though I will be nicer in my next evaluation of their specs. Being tired makes me overly blunt.
Though why anyone would come out with the SR version first is weird ?
David
5/13/2012 5:53:55 PM
CJ- What do you think of their Nemesis 4x riflescopes specs, specifically the Gen 2+ HD version from the original posters link.
Is that resolution even possible from a russian tube, again the price point tells me it is a fantasy however I leave judgement to the capable and versed...
Thx,
BB
Is that resolution even possible from a russian tube, again the price point tells me it is a fantasy however I leave judgement to the capable and versed...
Thx,
BB
5/13/2012 7:22:31 PM
BB, the NEMESIS series scopes are nothing new on the market, they are a rather known Russian family COT Pro 4X/6X.
They were marketed by ATN under the name Aries Trident (now discontinued and replaced by the Night Arrow series)
To answer your other question, getting a 64lp from a Gen2+ tube ain't nothing really peculiar rather than a relatively common practice among the Russian and European tube manufacturers today.
The final outcome is a tube similar to DEP XD-4 or DEP-0 - performance-wise pretty much an equivalent of US Gen3 OMNI III.
Of course, in order to save cost it has hardly undergone any rigorous MilSpec testing...
They were marketed by ATN under the name Aries Trident (now discontinued and replaced by the Night Arrow series)
To answer your other question, getting a 64lp from a Gen2+ tube ain't nothing really peculiar rather than a relatively common practice among the Russian and European tube manufacturers today.
The final outcome is a tube similar to DEP XD-4 or DEP-0 - performance-wise pretty much an equivalent of US Gen3 OMNI III.
Of course, in order to save cost it has hardly undergone any rigorous MilSpec testing...
5/13/2012 8:49:15 PM
Originally Posted By last_lancer:
BB, the NEMESIS series scopes are nothing new on the market, they are a rather known Russian family COT Pro 4X/6X.
They were marketed by ATN under the name Aries Trident (now discontinued and replaced by the Night Arrow series)
To answer your other question, getting a 64lp from a Gen2+ tube ain't nothing really peculiar rather than a relatively common practice among the Russian and European tube manufacturers today.
The final outcome is a tube similar to DEP XD-4 or DEP-0 - performance-wise pretty much an equivalent of US Gen3 OMNI III.
Of course, in order to save cost it has hardly undergone any rigorous MilSpec testing...
BB, the NEMESIS series scopes are nothing new on the market, they are a rather known Russian family COT Pro 4X/6X.
They were marketed by ATN under the name Aries Trident (now discontinued and replaced by the Night Arrow series)
To answer your other question, getting a 64lp from a Gen2+ tube ain't nothing really peculiar rather than a relatively common practice among the Russian and European tube manufacturers today.
The final outcome is a tube similar to DEP XD-4 or DEP-0 - performance-wise pretty much an equivalent of US Gen3 OMNI III.
Of course, in order to save cost it has hardly undergone any rigorous MilSpec testing...
Thank you for this information.
They don't have any of these HD tubes built into a Nemesis model at this time.
Nonetheless an original question I posed in this thread is how can the end user verify the lp/mm resolution of a image tube. The ARMASIGHT company will not provide a tube data card.
BB
5/14/2012 4:55:19 AM
In that case I recommend to ask for exact tube type used. It should look something like EPMxxxG-xx-xxA, -xxB or -xxS.
If you got that quote, I can identify the minimum specs for you even without the data card, the Russian system is quite comprehensive here.
If you got that quote, I can identify the minimum specs for you even without the data card, the Russian system is quite comprehensive here.
5/14/2012 8:39:46 AM
Originally Posted By Bennybone:
Thank you for this information.
They don't have any of these HD tubes built into a Nemesis model at this time.
Nonetheless an original question I posed in this thread is how can the end user verify the lp/mm resolution of a image tube. The ARMASIGHT company will not provide a tube data card.
BB
Originally Posted By last_lancer:
BB, the NEMESIS series scopes are nothing new on the market, they are a rather known Russian family COT Pro 4X/6X.
They were marketed by ATN under the name Aries Trident (now discontinued and replaced by the Night Arrow series)
To answer your other question, getting a 64lp from a Gen2+ tube ain't nothing really peculiar rather than a relatively common practice among the Russian and European tube manufacturers today.
The final outcome is a tube similar to DEP XD-4 or DEP-0 - performance-wise pretty much an equivalent of US Gen3 OMNI III.
Of course, in order to save cost it has hardly undergone any rigorous MilSpec testing...
BB, the NEMESIS series scopes are nothing new on the market, they are a rather known Russian family COT Pro 4X/6X.
They were marketed by ATN under the name Aries Trident (now discontinued and replaced by the Night Arrow series)
To answer your other question, getting a 64lp from a Gen2+ tube ain't nothing really peculiar rather than a relatively common practice among the Russian and European tube manufacturers today.
The final outcome is a tube similar to DEP XD-4 or DEP-0 - performance-wise pretty much an equivalent of US Gen3 OMNI III.
Of course, in order to save cost it has hardly undergone any rigorous MilSpec testing...
Thank you for this information.
They don't have any of these HD tubes built into a Nemesis model at this time.
Nonetheless an original question I posed in this thread is how can the end user verify the lp/mm resolution of a image tube. The ARMASIGHT company will not provide a tube data card.
BB
http://aunv.blackice.com.au/userfiles/david-lpmm1.pdf
That's intended for a 25mm ( approx ) lens on a 1:1 system...
You'll have trouble using it for those mentioned scopes, but with a little maths and testing, it is possible
Otherwise you'll just get effective resolution and that should be fairly low based on specs.
Anyway, they are line pairs. If you can make out line pairs, your resolution is better than that. If not, then your resolution is below that.
Regards
David
