Mosins as investments?

I'm sure this has been talked about before, but i cant remember reading about it.

Reading other threads I see people talking about remembering when they could get surplus rifles for dirt cheap back in the day (sks, aks, garands, mausers, etc).There really aren't any other rifles that you really can get for next to nothing these days except for 91/30s. I know aim surplus, j&g and a few other places are selling them for $80-$100.

Would it be a safe assumption to say that these will eventually go up in price to the point where people will be spending double or even triple than what they are today? It's hard to imagine people spending that much on a 91/30, but I'm sure people were saying the same thing 15-20+ years ago about other rifles.

It's been the pattern with all other surplus rifles, so if not, why would a 91/30 be any different? Would it be smart to pick up 4 or 5 and not touch them? And how long til we see an increase in price? Or is the price already increasing? I haven't been in the gun scene for terribly long, so was there ever a day when you could pick up a mosin for 50 bucks?

The only reason I can think of this not happening is the ammo. If the surplus x54r dries up then the rifles will be pointless.

Opinions?

They will go up in price. but not in our lifetime....

I bought my first 91/30 rifles All 3 with octogon receivers for $99.00 FOR ALL 3!
This was back in the mid 80's, so yes they will go up in price!

They go up every day and the more and more that sell the more scarce they will become and the higher the prices they will get. They are not making any more of them and as much as it seems never ending some day the supply will dry up and when the last warehouse in some eastern bloc shit hole is dried up or even before they will actually climb. Just like has already been said plenty of other surplus firearms looked like they would never go up did. All you have to remember is once upon a time people were sporterizing Garands because they were the cheap surplus rifle glutting the market.

Well I can only comment on the last 10 years used to see 91/30s at $70 everywhere, now they are around a $100, they don't have the desire that semi automatic rifles do, I mean remember 6 years ago I could get SKS for $90 a piece, and now the cheapest I have seen is $250.

Not really for an investment gun, as most guns will go up in value over time maybe a little with these as time has shown us. Too many of them around, I would not buy Mosin's for investments.

Maybe not the 91/30s but the carbines have already doubled in price in recent years.

Mosins are only popular because they are practically given away and cheap to shoot. If surplus 54r ever dries up that will be the end of mosin interest. There is nothing significant or appealing about mosins that will make people want to pay a premium for them in the future. They are the ubiquitous "cheap rifle" of our time.

If you wanted to buy a bunch of mosins in the future, yes it will cost more than it does now, but they will never be collector's items.

Even "rare" mosins don't sell for all that much compared to other collectible rifles.

This, but not much!

+1. Not rare at all.

No theyre not. No one ever said they were. Sks's aren't rare yet the prices have risen 3x over the past decade. Same goes for many other rifles.

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But I don't think they have anymore SKS to import, which would be the reason for the price increase I may be wrong, they are also considered assault weapons by some of the more liberal states, and they are semi automatic, the mosin will never be considered an assault rifle therefore I don't see the price going up, it doesn't really have any evil features other than you can attach a bayonet to them.

Depends on the SKS. Some are considered more valuable than others.

Consider your investment:
You buy a few Mosins.
In 10 years they go up in value by 250%
You cash in and buy a big mac and large coke with the profits.

Unless you are buying them in serious bulk, I don't think of it as much of an investment.
You are going through all the BS and wait for –––– a few hundred dollars

Nothing against mosins, I love 'em. I just don't see the investment potential.

However, buy one each for your sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, mom, pop, dog, etc..... And all having a range day together....... PRICELESS

I tend to agree. Considering inflation and the rather extreme amount of time you'll have to wait for a significant increase in value it's not worth it to buy them solely as investments, unless you buy 30+ of them.

Stuff that skyrockets in value over the years, (assume all matching and/or correct) Original sniper rifles (WWII era), G43, Lugers, P38s, K98s, G33/40's, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, m1903, Pre-WWII etc. etc.. The stuff that you don't see every day.

I've watched since the early 2000's the going price of G43's from about $2000-2500 all original matching etc.. with a scope rise $1000 or more. $1000 over 10 years isn't a huge chunk of change, all things considered, but it is significantly better than what 1 or 2 mosins will bring.

Most rifles will go up, if you wait long enough. But, how much? These rifles are as common as rain right now but they will dry up in time. Yes, I bought a NEW Russian SKS (from storage) some years back for like $99. Same for cases of 7.62x39 ammo. At one time it was like $60. Some panicked when it went up to $90. Of course I hear people talk about how their first house cost less than their last car too.

No one can say for certain what the future holds for these rifles. If you hold onto it for thirty years, sure it will go up. But do you want to wait that long? There are just so many of them out there. Many are not in good condition. Also, another factor is the ammo. Are the rifles good enough for people to want to keep shooting them and spur the manufacturing of new factory offerings? The Springfield and the Mauser were both great designs that got sporterized and adapted. Many built custom rifles on them. Then its a market price thing, is it cost effective to build on one of these surplus actions or just go with a new action like a CZ or Remington?

So, the crap shoot is simple, no one knows the future. I sold all of my AK stuff during the Obama scare. I had ammo, rifles, and parts and frankly they were worth more to someone else than they were to me. So, buy a few of them if you have the spare change lying around and are willing to bet that they might appreciate. My feeling is simple, if I am going to tie up my money in a firearm it better be something I enjoy shooting over the next ten or twenty years so I can enjoy it while I wait to see what happens with them.

So, I think it is safe to say they will go up. How much and how long will it take, who knows? Is there something else that will appreciate more and be a better investment? To me, that is the question you should ask yourself. Maybe just pick up a few, its a safe bet.

This. I remember the same prices. Only slightly kick myself for not 'stocking up' back then. But honestly, these rifles hold little interest for me.

The Swiss K-31 was a similar story. Could pick them up C&R for 80 bucks. Now, good luck even finding one. They are very accurate rifles, and collector's snapped them up.

I bought a Hungarian 91/30 for about $25 when I worked at FAC.

Apparently there were only about 1500 made.

A couple years ago I sold it for around $450

I bought a rare finish m27 for 95.,and sold it for 1500.a year later.less than 350 known to be around.

99 dollar rifles will probably become 225 dollar rifles after inflation is taken into account. How many years will it take? Who knows. They won't go to zero like worldcom stock.

buy the ammo in bulk. that is where you'll make money

They may go up but it isn't going to be a great increase in price. The reasons that original Mausers and Enfields and Springfields have increased in value so greatly is to the numbers that have been ruined by Bubba and sporterized over the years greatly reducing the numbers of original rifles.

No other Foreign surplus arm has been imported in greater numbers than Mosin Nagants. Since they don't sporterize well they will survive in great numbers in original condition esp the vast influx of Ukraine refurbs....

Still I think they ( Mosins ) are still a better investment than putting $ in saving account making .05 % but don't expect to retire on the $ selling your mosin colllection in 20-30 yrs......

People keep talking about how various rifles have gone up in price. However, what has really happened is that the dollar has gone down in value.

The same can be said for many other things as well.

If you want a rifle to shoot or collect, that is fine. If you want a good investment, you should probably invest in some thing else.

what year was that?

I think one of them says the 50s...

Yes.

If you addd 25$ to the price of the gun, several hundred will pass it up before it finds a new owner.
Ammo... You can make 25$ alot faster.

FYI

$79.95 in 1950 = $751.91 in 2012 money

+1

I think just about any rifle will go up in value over time. If you have very little faith in the stock market and our monetary system, then go for it. Something tangible and useful is better than green paper if the SHTF.

I just inherited an old Winchester .22 cal model 1904 a few years ago from my Grandfather. It is currently worth somewhere in the vicinity of $200-250. It was manufactured sometime between 1904-1910. At that time it probably sold for $5-7ish. It has increased in value by several hundred percent, however, most if not all of that is due to inflation. If it has even kept up with inflation. There are worse investments out there, but unless it is rare, I wouldn't necessarily say that it is an "investment grade" gun.

I had thought about this myself to be honest since they are pretty cheap to own right now.

Figuring inflation $7.00 in 1905 would be about $168.00 today.

There are some very rare variations that can be considered collectors items. Thees can command a pretty good price. The M1907 Carbine for example.

Seems like very little return on investment to me. For all the time, money and space to get and keep the rifles for them to slowly go up in price year after year. Take the same amount as what 20 Mosins cost today and put it in a IRA, mutual fund or whatever and you could probably make more than the mosins would be worth in 10 years or more. Yes you will be able to sell them for more than what you bought them for but what is the dollar worth at the time of sale vs. when you bought them?

I would invest in other things. If it must be gun stuff, invest in ammo.

While the M44's and M38's in my collection have tripled in price over the last few years, the same may not happen to the 91/30's. However, ammo on the other hand, is a much better investment IMO. In 2005, 880rd crates of 7.62x54r were $56.00 and 900rd crates of 8mm Mauser were $63.00. I wish I had bought a few pallets of each back then.

I don't think they will ever be rare. Some might be more collectable than others. They will double or tripple in price, but it may take 25-30 years.
Here are some examples that I remember.
Back in 1993 or 1994 : Chinese surplus SKS $69, New $89. Norinco AK47 new $279. Long Branch No 4 Enfields $70. Colt AR15 A2 HBAR $550.
Makarov hard chrome pistols new $89. Colt 1911 WW2 dated $450. Tokarev rifles $200 -$400. REAL Russian Draganov's 2K.
I remember these because I can still kick myself in the ass for not buying them. Remember Carcanos were a dime a dozen ? Now try to find one.
So again, yes they will go up......in time.

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