CCW proposal

The thought of unwashed masses carrying without government approval seems to scare the bejeezus out of people, even here. On the other hand, folks on Arfcom love freedom. Well, they like gun freedom, they aren't really all that fond of any other kind of freedom and would prefer the government stop people from doing anything they don't like (smoking pot, listening to rock music, chewing with their mouth open, etc.). This actually seems to cause a significant degree of consternation within the hive as members simply have no way to reconcile these two views. I have a proposal that may serve to simplify the matter for you:

1: the government has no business declaring who (adults) may or may not carry a weapon. Permits are a ridiculous infringement and should be done away with.

2: basic firearm safety and marksmanship is a desirable knowledge set and should be mandatory elements of the curriculum in all public and private schools, K-12. Further, advanced marksmanship is a desirable knowledge set and contributes to public safety so defensive rifle or pistol courses should be tax deductible.

Problem solved, no?

3. No registered Democrats should be allowed to own guns.





BTW - This thread is GD-riffic!

Yeah, and while we're at it, we'll make 'em wear little blue donkeys on their shirts. Maybe we'll all get together and smash in their store windows, too.

I am a registered democrat and love guns, I can't stand the GOP most of the time, but I can't say Like the democrats much better. But I am registered as a Democrat before I liked guns to the point I do now, also both of my parents are registered democrats and both enjoy hunting. We are not all bad. That said I will never vote for a Democrat that says they are antigun but oddly enough up here many democratic candidates are pro firearms and sometimes have better firearm rating from the NRA than the GOP candidates that run against them. So making an open statement like that is pure bullshit, I know many GOP candidates that want to take my rights away just not the same ones that that democrats historically want to take, so IMO they are fucked in the head. Also I did some research in school and found that many registered democrats owned guns for self defense and understood the importance. I am against any canidate that wants to take my rights away not matter what those rights are, firearms, right of marriage, birth control rights, etc. I just don't like candidates that are against my rights to do what I want and not harm anyone else, and if want to argue that point your are not a person until you leave the womb, IMO.

To the OP your idea won't work, but I like your thinking. I just would like to make permits national, and then make it mandatory that you have some sort of training. At least 6hrs, but not more than 16hrs. I don't know how to deal with all the idiots that can fake being smart through the 6hr course yet.

Do you really mean it wouldn't work or do you mean that it would be politically infeasible to pass such a measure?

Both the Demicans and the Republicrats are mostly big government statists. I often vote GOP because the bullshit intrusive statist crap they push has less effect on me than the shit the Dems push. I would prefer to vote libertarian but that's often not an option and when it is, the candidate is sometimes loony.

I don't think it would pass, it would be almost like an institutional draft, like what Israel does. Not that I mean it's a draft, but there are clearly too many people that are anti gun, including several religions, I mean you could force public schools to do it but not private IMO.

As far as who I vote for the GOP just as intrusive in peoples if not more so than the DEMs, but again if the DEM is anti gun he won't get my vote, I didn't vote for our current president if that happens to be your next question. I mean hell Santorum wants to regulate sex, so that missionary style is the only way approved, if that isn't intrusive I don't know what is.

E.T.A. Sorry, not G.D.

Where the hell did you get that? Do people seriously just believe any random shit a talkshow host says in his monologue?

You know what? I thought I had posted in GD.

Mods, sorry. I won't mind at all if you delete.

How about we just go back to the topic at hand. Sorry mods I didn't mean to get it off topic, but when people make general political statements about people it bothers me. Lets get back to whether this CCW idea or general firearms handling idea would work.

FWIW, there are plenty of states that do just fine without such stringent requirements, and there are states that still wouldn't be satisfied with ND's version. For these reasons, a national CCW permit, much less having nationwide reciprocity, is never going to be realized.

This comes from my personal perspective of having carry permits from NY to WA, and some states south and in between. There really wasn't that much difference in outcome, but NY certainly thinks they are head-and-shoulders above the other 49 when it comes to training standards.

I have nothing against the premise, but it isn't ever going to happen.

The Federal Government doesn't "do" common sense. It also doesn't mind unconstitutional restrictions on some of our rights.

I'm not agreeing with the idea of CCW licenses/permits, but I am allowing that they are a fact of life.

I just think everyone should have some training before they go around carrying a gun, not having any training is just stupid IMO, military training is fine too. While I live in ND I am a resident of MN where they require some training. I just don't think handing a permit to everyone is a good idea, there are a lot of crazy people out there that think the should be able to shoot who ever they want for any type of violation. So I believe that some sort of training is definitely a good thing. And when I said national permits I was thinking national reciprocity.

The history from states where training is not a requirement proves your fears and beliefs have no basis in reality.

Yes to #1, No to #2.

No training or even permission from the state is required for free men to arm themselves. Here in AZ there is no requirement other than not being a prohibited possessor to carry openly or concealed. No blood in the streets.

What if it were changed to only recommended for school curriculum but retained the tax incentive?

Yes # 1

Annnnnnd this one statement alone is why I think Democrats are out of their minds. Maybe we should have mandatory training for other RIGHTS like speech..... they just don't get it. :(

Folks have a hard time really getting the Second Amendment - it isn't crammed into your head the same way the First is in public schools and our society as a whole certainly doesn't seem to have the same reverence for it.

That said, I don't think any license should be necessary to keep and bear arms provided you aren't a felon or whatnot. I can accept licensing for concealed carry, though.

Yeah, I liken it to operating a car on public roads, where you also need a license. If a state doesn't require a license, that is the citizen's well-considered choice.

If/Once you are on your private property? No way! If a blind Jay Leno wants to drive his unlicensed race cars around his private race track, he certainly doesn't need a driver's license and the .gov shouldn't have any concern in it.

It was good up to number 2.

Making training mandatory? Nope.
You're not required to undergo training to speak your mind. You can voice your opinion in this country (for now) with or without an education.

I liked your first point.... I wish this was the good ol days where everybody learned gun safety as a little kid, spent less time in front of the tube, and more time out in the woods, learning to respect mother nature. I do kinda agree with your second point but it should not be mandatory shit in school, it should be the kids wanting to actually learn and use and respect firearms. I do wish my highschool had a precision shooting team or somthing cool like that

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