What do you think of the slide fire stock?

I am wanting to buy a slide fire stock as and affordable alternative to an expensive transferable M16. The purpose would be to just have fun at the range and be able to actually hit things while bump firing. I know its expensive for what you get and the stock should be priced about $200 lower but short of building one myself I dont know any alternatives. Are there any users out there who own one?

I do not personally own one. However, I have fired them, as well as actual full auto AR's. They do work, and with practice, you can hit what you aim at with short bursts. However, I still cannot justify spending $350 on a piece of plastic that helps you waste more money in ammunition. However, for some weird reason, it's fully justifiable in my mind to spend $10-15k on a transferable M16... Take it for what it's worth.

The AK model is cheaper...and the ammo would be cheaper too

if you're good like me you don't need that, just a nice trigger (giessel) and some talent haha

I have a factory Colt M16-A1 with several conversions and a couple of suppressors.

I got a slide-fire stock for my converted Saiga-12 because the idea of a select-fire shotgun was just plain old cool ....... still haven't tried it yet.

That's gonna leave a mark

Probably .............

www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_W1pLT7xSA

LOL, me too.

Not with my reloads. I can still reload 5.56 for around 15 cents a round.

I enjoyed the heck out of mine..If ammo isn't an obstacle I'd say go for it..If you don't like it you can sell it and get most of your money back anyway

I vote topic should be moved as the Slide Fire Stock is non-ClassIII or NFA related.

Look for the videos with Slide Fires on S&W MP-22s.

Pretty neat and pretty cheap. Also able to keep the rounds on what looks to be an 8-10" steel target at 25-35 yds.

Will need a Timney or Geissele single stage trigger, though.

It runs great on my 6450. Nary a hiccup.

I understand your sentament I felt the same however I figured there would be no better forum where I could ask for a comparison to a transferable gun and actually reach people who have fired much less own one. I'm tired of the arm chair, internet experts out there.

Goddam forum nazis...smh



~WTS

I have an M4 that I use for work, which is the extent of my select fire experience. I have been watching the market for awhile now and desire to purchase a Colt RR. This is more for the historical, and personal satisfaction of owning this type of regulated item.

Well the fact that the stock was "rattley" was one concern I had. I imagine that it would be harder to keep groups tight at longer ranges like is still possible with a RR gun using proper automatic rifle man technique. You probably will have a hard time getting a realtively solid bipod supported prone and still getting the thing to function. Not to say its impossible. I have seen guys bump fire semi auto BAR's in the prone.


Fortunately the range I shoot at allows full auto fire. I guess having vast tracts of land to shoot in is one of the pluses to living in montana. There are places out here where you could shoot full auto to your hearts content and no one would ever give a notice to it. I'm just glad I dont have to drive far from town to do it.

Get a Geissele SD-3G super dynamic three gun with the flat trigger if you go with the Slidefire route. I am now able to single shot, burst, and mag dump perfectly everytime using this trigger.

I tried a SlideFire on my box-stock Colt 6933 and it ran just fine ... easily pull singles or bursts, even with the factory trigger.

And since the host is an SBR, I tried many of my MG uppers in various lengths and calibers, and it pretty much mimicked my M16A1. For MG shoot purposes, there's little difference IMHO between a factory RR and an SBR with a SlideFire. For tactical and practical use or training, however, the loose-fit stock and weird pivot lock leave something to be desired.

I'm not going to sell either of my M16s to switch to a SlideFire setup ... but if that's all I could afford, it can be a lot of fun.

FWIW. YMMV.

I have not seen one up close, are they right hand specific? Do the make a lefty model or an ambi model?

MadDog

They are hand-specific, and are made in both right- and left-handed versions (at least, the SlideFire product is).

I plan on getting one of these triggers for my SBR that I use for 3 gun anyway. I would probably end up swapping it to my spare lower for the slide fire since I have a magpul receiver extension end plate with swivle installed that will block the installation of the slide fire stock.

I'll probably use the slide fire with my m261 22 adapter more than anything else since its cheaper and I'll be shooting at 100 yards or less on paper targets anyway. No need to use 5.56 if you are jsut punching holes in paper.

They are 95% of the fun, for 5% of the cost...

Good luck with that, no one's gotten the slide fire working reliably with a real AR and any 22 kit yet. It just weighs too much and 22 isn't powerful enough to move the whole rifle.

It works pretty well with the lightweight, mostly-plastic S&W M&P15-22, though.

Best simple description I have seen yet.

They work plain and simple, but ammo is hard to just burn these days. It was very controllable on my SBR with an Eotech. Everything stayed on target. The AK stock even works but requires a bit more "Hold the F on".

They are great smile makers and I have played with them quite a bit, yet I still don't own one.

I cannot see myself spending $350 on a plastic stock to bumpfire with.

I want one, but just wanna play with one first before I drop the coin...

FWIW, the new one looks a lot better than the old one.

The AK version needs some serious cosmetic work though

~WTS

I agree. I've handled one and I'll pass. Mabye it's because I've used the real thing, but I don't like a woobly *ss stock shooting "full auto". FAIL - JMHO.

If I could get it working with my Spikes ST-22 reliably I would get one in a heart beat.

We sell them at the shop I work at and I wont buy one there is just no appeal in my opinion. I can shoot full auto anytime , so its not really an issue for me. I have sold a few to guys that think they are the best thing, but when you ask a few of them where they plan to shoot it, they have no answers. Around here if you have land you are good, but no land and only private and public ranges that dont allow FA, you just wasted a bunch of money.

Played with one just the other day, and it's pretty darn fun. I live in a state where real FA is not allowed, so the slidefire is the best I can do. Wouldn't use it much, as ammo is too expensive these days, but it was fun to play with. Once you play with it a bit, it does become quite controllable, and bursts were quite easy.

Well one of my buddies just bought one to use with his Tactical Innovations 22lr upper. He will be using a RRA NM trigger. I'll try to post back and see what he thinks. If he doesnt like it I'll probably buy it from him to mess around with. Also like I said I have a FA friendly range to use it on so thats not a problem. In addition I have shot FA M16A3's and M4A1's when I was deployed and it was a lot of fun. I just cant swing the money for a RR gun with out selling my pick up and then how would I get to work. lol I agree its not the best choice but its a fun novlety.

Topic Moved

Every now and then the "feel" of full auto without the expense of an actual RR or DIAS is worth the ammo expense IMHO. If you need a slide stock to facilitate bump firing then so be it. I can do it without the stock but it took quite a bit of practice. I love bump firing my SBR'd Skorpion and 32ACP ammo is pretty inexpensive, relatively speaking.

MadDog

Tried to IM you but your box was full. Where did you find your Skorpion? I have wanted an SBR version for a while but I cant find them anywhere.

Actually wolf .223 is cheaper then 7.62x39 by $20 per thousand.

Like I said before my 223 reloads are about 15 cent a round so I'm not worried about commercial ammo prices but it still gets expensive quick.

m1garand_man:

My SBR'd Skorpion started out as a VZ61 pistol that I picked up at a local gun shop. After getting my tax stamp from Uncle Sam I just purchased a surplus folding stock for $25 and a custom bracket from Waffenworx for $40. Drilled and taped the receiver for the bracket.....................slid the stock onto the bracket................................loaded up some mags &...........................bump-fire away.

MadDog

OP, I just shot one last week. I a guy at the range had one, I tried his lower on my upper. It took me 5 shots to get it to work right, but after I figured it out, it was pretty controllable. BUT the upper receiver is reciprocating, so that means your sights are moving all over the place. If you want to be able to aim, your going to want a reddot.

I don't have personal experience with one, but a guy at the range I was at had one on his 7.62 Saiga. He was having a ball, spitting out ammo like crazy. He said it takes a little pracrtice, but after a little while he was emptying full magazines' worth.
If I get one, it will be for an AK-47 or -74. Cheaper ammo.

You should've come to the Hernando MG shoot in February. I had my two M16's there plus a 6933 SBR with a SlideFire stock on it, all with identical 14.5" Colt uppers. At an event like an MG shoot with a fixed line, there is very little difference between the RRs and the SlideFire. I let a bunch of folks shoot 'em both, back-to-back, and it was remarkable how similar they shot, with equal accuracy.

I'm not selling my M16s ... But for some events, the SlideFire has everything but the RR's price tag.

YMMV.

As far as ammo costs ... Well, the OP was asking machine gun owners who are already used to dumping $500 in ammo in one day. I look at it as the price of admission to a fun sport, or hobby, or whatever.

I bought a used one for $270, for the first time at the range (which only allows upto a 5shot burtst), it was awesome. After like 5min, i had shotover 150 rounds, and realized it was fun, but just wasting ammo. I had never fired a full auto before so it was new, exciting, and fun. I moved it over to my M&P15-22 that had a Giesselle trigger and got it to work for a few mags, but then blew an extractor on the M&P and had to ship the rifle back. I was none to happy. Just last week, I sold the stock for $300 after owning it for 5months, so i got to use it, and still made money, it just wasn't for me, i will stick with normal Semi-Auto and be happy. I think they worked perfectly though, so it has a place in the market (till BAFTA changes the laws to make it illegal as well).

I know what you are saying about ammo. I bought a select fire MKII STEN a while back and the first year I had it It probably had 3-4k rounds shot through it. There were even a few times I left burst fly into the back stop at 300y just to see the bullets kick up dirt like in the movies. LOL I dont shoot it much anymore. The novlety wore off after a while. It more fun to watch others shoot now.

I had one, bought it used for $250, used it for 3 months, wasted a bunch of ammo, but had fun at the time, and just sold mine for $300, so i think it was worth it, but it just didnt have the "feel" a real Full-Auto has, but for $350 new, its the closest its going to get for alot of people. I had mine working fine on my M&PT15-22 once I installed a Geisselle trigger, but after around 1,000 rounds, i blew an extractor.

Im with ya.

I have shot side by side with them (me with M16).

It takes practice, some guns do not work well with it, they are prone to stopping. You are limited in shooting "positions"

To me they were like shooting a M16 with bolt bounce problems, they might get a entire mag dumped, but there are some hangups. I hate shooting anything that is inconsistent.

Ive only seen 2 in person and they both had the same problems. People rave about them on the net but I suspect most wont admit they are not 100%.

YMMV

waste of money

This piece of crap stock is going to single-handedly get us another AWB.


It was impossible to get the MSM in 1994 and 2004 to accurately portray semi-auto rifles. They happily (fuck you, CBS) used full auto and the average soccer mom didn't know or care about the difference. In 2004, USA Today had all of the specs (rounds per minute, etc.) of full auto rifles as representative of our civilian rifles.


Now they can happily show semi-autos in the scariest manner possible... without lying.


The slide-fire stock is a gun-banner's wet dream. It doesn't do anything revolutionary; it simply improves what any idiot can do with a thumb and a belt loop. However, the image and impression it gives is all the Left needs to push for legislation.


I hope the owner of the company stubs his toe on the coffee table and breaks his front teeth on a rocking chair.

Slave mentality

Peasant mentality.


Buy Class 3 like a big boy.

Yeah, because it make a hell of a lot of difference if they lie or not. (and they're going to lie again)

Without Slidefire, the media would have run nothing but stories about responsible gun owners and their positive role in the community, I'm sure.

We're going to demonized by those hacks, no matter what we do. They have their agenda and they would be pushing the "gun violence epidemic" with or without some damn bump fire stock that less that 1% of gun owners have.

Slidefire will be the only "truth" in any stories run this election cycle. Just like every one before it.

Because the media won't demonize legal class three too?

<Gasp!> The peasants can have MILITARY WEAPONS???? OMG, The children! THE CHILDREN!

I'm sure they will portray the number of C3 weapons out there as anything but uncommon. They'll have the brain dead thinking every criminal in the country is issued one when they get their criminal ID card.

"Hey ...how about we just go ahead and give up that gunshow loophole while we're at it ...you know that pisses the libs off to no end...and open carry, and 33rd Glock mags like the ones those whackos used in AZ and VA Tech...lets just give all that up to the libs because that'll make 'em happy and then they won't fight us anymore!!"

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