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 Which one of these in 7mm-08?
Joho146  [Member]
5/4/2012 9:52:52 AM
I'm looking at buying a 7mm-08 and I'm curious about which of these is the best rifle?

Remington 700 SPS

Weatherby Vanguard

Winchester model 70 Ultimate shadow

I know they are all composite stock and it would seem that this has made them less expensive than other riles made by these manufacturers, but is there more of a difference that just the stock? are these the lower quality rifles of these popular lines?

Any help is always much appreciated
Tod-13  [Member]
5/4/2012 2:52:38 PM
Originally Posted By Joho146:
Remington 700 SPS



Everyone on the internet has one of these that shoots 1 MOA or better out of the box. I haven't found owned one. (My brother has a sweet 30-06 that is really accurate末it's even the cheaper 710 model.)

If you want work done, this is the one to pick as it is easiest to find parts or people to work on it, especially if you want a 10 round detachable magazine.

Weatherby Vanguard



Don't know too much about these末a lot depends on if you like the stock. Not as much aftermarket support

Winchester model 70 Ultimate shadow



This has control round feed and claims 1 MOA. I prefer the Model 70 safety and feeding. This is harder to get parts and work done on than the Rem 700, but not by much.

I _really_ like the Ruger bolt guns, but only if I plan on re-barreling due to past, possibly outdated, experiences with them.

Someone, once people start posting here, will suggest a Savage. They seem to have the best balance of out of box accuracy, reliability, aftermarket support and price. Just watch what receiver you get if you want aftermarket stocks. Make sure the stock you want in the future is made for your receiver.

Joho146  [Member]
5/4/2012 3:49:23 PM
thanks I appreciate your input

I should have specified on the Weatherby, I recently saw they introduced the Vanguard in a guaranteed sub MOA model and I am a little interesed in it.
Green_Canoe  [Member]
5/4/2012 5:04:01 PM
The Weatherby Vanguard is the same thing as the Howa 1500 when it comes time for aftermarket parts. Not a prevalent as Rem. 700 parts but things are available. I don't think any of them are bad. Pick the one that fits you the best.
Beamy  [Team Member]
5/4/2012 7:17:22 PM
they are are pretty good rifles


however I have a Model 70 Ultimate Shadow in 308 that shoots like a house on fire. Add to the fact that its pretty damn light weight makes it a great litte rifle

here's a pic
bradpierson26  [Team Member]
5/5/2012 12:17:43 AM
Browning X-bolt, Sako A-7 or Tikka T3
CEK  [Member]
5/7/2012 8:18:10 PM
Remington Model 7 would be my choice in a 7mm-08 bolt gun.
colklink  [Member]
5/7/2012 11:07:45 PM
I voted for the winchester but only because I want one
Joho146  [Member]
5/7/2012 11:44:56 PM
^ hey fair enough,

I'm curious though as to why Remington has an astounding lead, they are all American rifles I'm looking at, but Weatherby is the only company that guarantees sub MOA from the factory not that Remington or Winchester cant get there but I seem to hear almost as many par rifles from Remington 700s as I hear outstanding ones. and Winchester model 70s are so damned expensive

Tod-13  [Member]
5/8/2012 9:45:45 AM
Originally Posted By Joho146:
^ hey fair enough,

I'm curious though as to why Remington has an astounding lead, they are all American rifles I'm looking at, but Weatherby is the only company that guarantees sub MOA from the factory not that Remington or Winchester cant get there but I seem to hear almost as many par rifles from Remington 700s as I hear outstanding ones. and Winchester model 70s are so damned expensive



Remington has the most aftermarket support and has all the tacticool goodies for it. This is primarily (IMHO) a tactical oriented site, so you'll get this response.

If you go to a hunting site with a safari focus, you might get more votes for the Winchester, since safari folks tend to favor the control-round feeding. On some sites, they'd vote other and write in doubles.

Does Winchester guarantee MOA groups? Their website for the Model 70 Extreme Weather SS says "With quality optics, premium ammunition and good shooting conditions, 1 MOA accuracy can be expected 末 if you, your ammo and your optics are up to it." But I can't find any guarantee. I don't put much stock in any of these guarantees other than a custom GAP or something similar. Plus, I want a rifle that shoots everything well末something in my experience I usually get with a Lilja barrel末not something that shoots one particular round out of the 8-9 available, that may not be the one appropriate for what I'm hunting.
Joho146  [Member]
5/8/2012 11:54:11 PM



good point, and I wonder where Weatherby falls in that line, I knew when I put Remington up there that lots of us would recommend it, but I guess I'm looking for a reason to go in another direction.
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 12:02:08 AM
The FN Winchesters are the best yet and very accurate. I would definitely get one of them.
Tod-13  [Member]
5/9/2012 9:16:17 AM
Originally Posted By Joho146:



good point, and I wonder where Weatherby falls in that line, I knew when I put Remington up there that lots of us would recommend it, but I guess I'm looking for a reason to go in another direction.


There aren't as many of them, but the people who shoot the European rifles _really_ like them.

I had a Tikka M595 in 308 that was awesome. It was accurate with anything I put into it, and I took my first buck and javelina with it. The guide called it my "James Bond" gun. If I could get a M595 in 243 or 7mm-08 for what I recall buying that one ($500-600) I'd snap one up. But the cost and parts/work availability of the European rifles, plus the fact they seem to significantly change their receivers/models much more often than American companies, including Savage, make me leery of putting almost a grand into something that still might need to be re-barreled and that I couldn't get parts for. Weatherby does seem more stable in this regard. I wish they still made their CFP handgun.
cpwomack  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 9:52:09 AM
I chose the Remington, I have one in 7mm-08 that is a good shooter now that it has a aftermarket trigger and bedded stock. If I were to do it all over again, I would get a Thompson Center Venture or Icon in 7mm-08. I have the TC Venture in 308 and out of the box it shoots better than the Remington and cost significantly less. I know the TC was not on your list, but they are good rifles and very accurate for hunting rifles. Both mine and my fathers will shoot 1 MOA or less at 100 yards using 150 grain Remington PSP's.
RugRat  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 9:57:54 AM
Originally Posted By CEK:
Remington Model 7 would be my choice in a 7mm-08 bolt gun.


This ^^^^
Tod-13  [Member]
5/9/2012 10:15:23 AM
Originally Posted By cpwomack:
I chose the Remington, I have one in 7mm-08 that is a good shooter now that it has a aftermarket trigger and bedded stock. If I were to do it all over again, I would get a Thompson Center Venture or Icon in 7mm-08. I have the TC Venture in 308 and out of the box it shoots better than the Remington and cost significantly less. I know the TC was not on your list, but they are good rifles and very accurate for hunting rifles. Both mine and my fathers will shoot 1 MOA or less at 100 yards using 150 grain Remington PSP's.


With the TC rifles, make sure you get one with a good stock––probably wood or laminate. The one with a synthetic stock I had, the front of the stock flexed enough to change POI pretty badly. Not so bad from the bench, but standing or in the field, it made a big difference.
cpwomack  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 10:18:39 AM
The Icons have the nice wood stocks. I just shimmed the stock on the Venture and the stock does not contact the barrel even though it flexes.
Tod-13  [Member]
5/9/2012 10:23:38 AM
Originally Posted By cpwomack:
The Icons have the nice wood stocks. I just shimmed the stock on the Venture and the stock does not contact the barrel even though it flexes.


The Icon Weather Shield has a synthetic stock––that was the one I had problems with. It might be fixable with glass bedding.
cpwomack  [Team Member]
5/9/2012 10:33:09 AM
Ok, I never saw those, just the Icons with the Walnut stocks. You can bed them, it takes a little work and shim the front action screw like I did and it might help. Mine has been a great hunting rifle, in the last two years I have taken 6 deer with it.
brasidas  [Member]
5/10/2012 4:50:57 PM
I have had a chance to examine and shoot all three rifles recently. I'd say the Vanguard is the best rifle, followed closely by the Winchester. Both are good.

The Remington was an awful POS.
Springer09  [Member]
5/11/2012 5:22:47 PM
I would go Vangaurd.

very accurate rifle for the $$$

Personally now i stay away from new remington products. I am not a fan of freedom group products. QC has gone wayyy down.