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chambing rounds in your home.
5/20/2012 5:39:48 PM
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
5/16/2012 11:00:54 PM
Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
its perfectly safe.
as always proper handling is important so never point the gun at something you dont mind shooting, but there shouldnt be an issue. the only thing that would matter is if the primer is not seated correctly.
5/16/2012 11:04:16 PM
what you mean like keeping one in the chamber if so yes its fine with the saftey on, or do you mean just chambering a rd and ejecting it?
5/16/2012 11:05:19 PM
I do it from time to time, especially when chambering a round in my HD gun for the night. I just make sure that I follow the common sense safety rules.
5/16/2012 11:09:32 PM
Originally Posted By hallstar606:
what you mean like keeping one in the chamber if so yes its fine with the saftey on, or do you mean just chambering a rd and ejecting it?
what you mean like keeping one in the chamber if so yes its fine with the saftey on, or do you mean just chambering a rd and ejecting it?
like cycling the rifle.
5/16/2012 11:12:22 PM
there is this post about TAP's and everyone is freaking out about it. here is the link. the post
I use TAP;s for HD and now I am paranoid about this ammo.
I use TAP;s for HD and now I am paranoid about this ammo.
5/16/2012 11:13:55 PM
Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
like cycling the rifle.
Originally Posted By hallstar606:
what you mean like keeping one in the chamber if so yes its fine with the saftey on, or do you mean just chambering a rd and ejecting it?
what you mean like keeping one in the chamber if so yes its fine with the saftey on, or do you mean just chambering a rd and ejecting it?
like cycling the rifle.
ok yeah its fine just be safe it shouldnt go off if everything is set up right
5/16/2012 11:15:04 PM
Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
like cycling the rifle.
Originally Posted By hallstar606:
what you mean like keeping one in the chamber if so yes its fine with the saftey on, or do you mean just chambering a rd and ejecting it?
what you mean like keeping one in the chamber if so yes its fine with the saftey on, or do you mean just chambering a rd and ejecting it?
like cycling the rifle.
5/16/2012 11:16:52 PM
I've yet to chamber one in my new AR out of fear myself. I'm waiting until I go to the range just in case. I don't want to find out the firing pin is bound up or I did something wrong the hard way. I've tested for function and pulled the BCG apart, etc., but I'm still gonna wait just in case. After testing at the range, I'll probably be OK with chambering a round in the house, just to check magazine function, etc.
5/16/2012 11:21:40 PM
Handguns, yes all the time.
Rifles, no but not because I don't think it's safe. Because I don't use a rifle for HD.
Shotguns, no but only because I keep it loaded but not chambered for HD.
If you can't load your weapon in the home why would it be any different at the range. Slam fires are unsafe no matter where you are and of no fault of the user.
Rifles, no but not because I don't think it's safe. Because I don't use a rifle for HD.
Shotguns, no but only because I keep it loaded but not chambered for HD.
If you can't load your weapon in the home why would it be any different at the range. Slam fires are unsafe no matter where you are and of no fault of the user.
5/16/2012 11:34:30 PM
Not sure if it helps at all, but I always set my selector to "safe" before inserting a mag. I'll pull back the CH, lock the bolt open, set gun to safe, insert mag, slap bolt release.
5/16/2012 11:44:46 PM
I point my pistol into my vest after I take it off. The other side of the bedroom wall is brick.
ETA: RIF, my rifle I always load outside, either into the dirt, or up into the air if in a wide open area.
ETA: RIF, my rifle I always load outside, either into the dirt, or up into the air if in a wide open area.
5/17/2012 12:02:13 AM
I'll chamber a round in my house, into any weapon I own, pointed at the floor/crawl space. Common sense goes a long ways here.
5/17/2012 12:09:45 AM
I load both in my house, but out of habit I always point it at my vest/plates. I never worry about it, but in that 1 in a million I should be good.
5/17/2012 12:11:19 AM
I point the gun to the bed when chambering. Also, I only do that if I am rotating a pistol - empty one pistol to storage and load another for carry, besides that I don't see the need to be loading and unloading in the house - leave it to the range. Rifles I never chamber at home, also no need IMO unless you are going to keep a chambered rifle around (which is advised against), so again no need to be "playing" with it.
5/17/2012 12:20:37 AM
Frequently with my Glock. Always using good muzzle discipline of course. I have many times with my AR too, but not so much of a need there. The shotgun is always chambered and doesn't get handled much. If muzzle discipline s used a problem won't be too mch of a problem in the unlikely event there s aslamfire.
Not a problem with my revolver though.
-JC
Not a problem with my revolver though.
-JC
5/17/2012 12:25:52 AM
Check the round first, any weapon, pointed in the safest direction possible. How else are you going to clean the gun after going to the range or for whatever reason it got wet, lint, etc on it and needs to be cleaned and then make it ready for use??? Impractical to clean your gun and/or go to the range and chamber a round to be ready for use. Again, as long as safety precautions are used.
5/17/2012 12:51:41 AM
You shouldn't make a steady habit of it.
But, I have done it for many reasons new reloading components/dies, new bolt or barrel I'll chamber one just to make sure it will chamber, I used to practice quick offhand loading with my shotty too but I didn't want to make a habit of it so i stopped doing that etc...
If you follow the first two nra safety rules:always keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction and your finger off the trigger some of the other ones can be bent a little.
I do try to avoid letting a bolt slam home on a live round in my home.
But, I have done it for many reasons new reloading components/dies, new bolt or barrel I'll chamber one just to make sure it will chamber, I used to practice quick offhand loading with my shotty too but I didn't want to make a habit of it so i stopped doing that etc...
If you follow the first two nra safety rules:always keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction and your finger off the trigger some of the other ones can be bent a little.
I do try to avoid letting a bolt slam home on a live round in my home.
5/17/2012 1:13:37 AM
Ride the charging handle, then hit the forward assist. It will chamber just fine. That is why you have a forward assist.
5/17/2012 1:18:20 AM
One of the big things;
Inspect your ammo.
Inspect your ammo.
5/17/2012 1:25:56 AM
Just do it, but keep the barrel down when you do it, or atleast aimed at a brick wall or something. JUST incase.
5/17/2012 1:26:33 AM
Don't point the thing at anything your not willing to destroy seems to cover this.
5/17/2012 2:33:28 AM
To keep it on topic with the "post" the op is talking AR15, Not a Glock or shotgun or Bolt rifle or any other.....
5/17/2012 3:52:35 AM
Originally Posted By Glock031:
To keep it on topic with the "post" the op is talking AR15, Not a Glock or shotgun or Bolt rifle or any other.....
To keep it on topic with the "post" the op is talking AR15, Not a Glock or shotgun or Bolt rifle or any other.....
I don't understand this post....^^^^
I thought it was kind of a given he was talking about the AR.
Chambering any weapon in the house is acceptable to me personally. The same safe protocols and fundamentals apply to the AR as well.
I point mine in a safe direction. Ride the charging handle home, and follow up with a touch of forward assist. Then it's put on safe. I know the gun is loaded. And I, along with anyone else in my house would treat it as such regardless whether or not it was. All guns are loaded, that's the mindset you need to have.
5/17/2012 4:41:38 AM
Odd that this has to be even a debatable topic. If you're super paranoid just drop the round in the chamber, slowly release the bolt and tap the forward assist to pop the extractor over the brass. Any gun that cannot safely chamber a round is junk (aside from some freak accident (bad ammo,broken bolt/FP) in which case pointing the gun in a safe direction will cure).
5/17/2012 5:07:04 AM
Keep it in a safe direction and you really have nothing to worry about. With that said, if there is no reason to keep it loaded I wouldn't keep it as such. My guns tend to get handled and tinkered with a lot. I chamber them at the range.
5/17/2012 7:39:14 AM
Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Handguns, yes all the time.
Rifles, no but not because I don't think it's safe. Because I don't use a rifle for HD.
Shotguns, no but only because I keep it loaded but not chambered for HD.
If you can't load your weapon in the home why would it be any different at the range. Slam fires are unsafe no matter where you are and of no fault of the user.
Handguns, yes all the time.
Rifles, no but not because I don't think it's safe. Because I don't use a rifle for HD.
Shotguns, no but only because I keep it loaded but not chambered for HD.
If you can't load your weapon in the home why would it be any different at the range. Slam fires are unsafe no matter where you are and of no fault of the user.
Agreed on all points.
I've cycled a magazine's-worth of ammo trough my AR to check for function. Keep your finger away from the trigger, point it in a safe direction, and you'll be good to go.
5/17/2012 8:19:23 AM
I have done some cycle tests on some reloads with a head space issue and I simply took the firing pin out. It took all of 2 minutes. No chance of slam fire. DO NOT forget about that asshole "Murphy", he is always lurking.
5/17/2012 8:31:46 AM
We / I chambered a round every time before I left the wire. No issues with the same M855/M856 rounds being chambered mission after mission, and if the primer detent looked like it was getting deep it'd be fired on the next range trip.
5/17/2012 8:42:33 AM
I'm a handloader, so from time to time I have OCD and want to cycle all my rounds I loaded to satisfy my worry that I missed a case in the resize step ( hasn't happened yet, but I have OCD ).
My routine :
1 ) Always point the weapon in a safe direction - in my case down and toward my reload bench
2 ) I remove the firing pin - no chance of slam fire that way
3 ) Selector on Safe
4 ) Insert mag
5 ) Pull CH and release to chamber
6 ) Repeat
It might be overkill, but it's how I do it.
My routine :
1 ) Always point the weapon in a safe direction - in my case down and toward my reload bench
2 ) I remove the firing pin - no chance of slam fire that way
3 ) Selector on Safe
4 ) Insert mag
5 ) Pull CH and release to chamber
6 ) Repeat
It might be overkill, but it's how I do it.
5/17/2012 8:48:37 AM
Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
1) IMO this is not a safe practice. Go to the range if you want to chamber rounds. You never know what is going to happen. It only take one round to do damage.
2) Bad practice for a gun shop owner to chamber rounds in-house with customers. I wouldn't go back to that shop.
The only gun I have loaded in my home is my 870 for HD. The 870 is loaded, but a round is not chambered. I respect that gun the most b/c it is loaded.
Public Service Announcement...We need to remember that a firearm is not a toy. No matter how much experience you have with them, an accidents might happen. ALWAYS respect your firearm and treat it as if it is loaded. Think safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd!
5/17/2012 8:49:35 AM
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Not sure if it helps at all, but I always set my selector to "safe" before inserting a mag. I'll pull back the CH, lock the bolt open, set gun to safe, insert mag, slap bolt release.
Not sure if it helps at all, but I always set my selector to "safe" before inserting a mag. I'll pull back the CH, lock the bolt open, set gun to safe, insert mag, slap bolt release.
The free floating firing pin is not affected by the position of the safety selector so if a slam fire was going to occur, it would do so whether the gun was on safe or fire. No reason not to have the weapon on safe though.
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
5/17/2012 8:56:56 AM
I do keep an AR at the ready for HD but I prefer an empty chamber. I carried a Glock Israeli style for years because I was more worried about a ND than needing that extra quarter of a second chamber a round. I don't do it anymore, I have had enough training and experience now so my confidence is pretty high.
5/17/2012 9:03:13 AM
Originally Posted By beprepared:
1) IMO this is not a safe practice. Go to the range if you want to chamber rounds. You never know what is going to happen. It only take one round to do damage.
2) Bad practice for a gun shop owner to chamber rounds in-house with customers. I wouldn't go back to that shop.
The only gun I have loaded in my home is my 870 for HD. The 870 is loaded, but a round is not chambered. I respect that gun the most b/c it is loaded.
Public Service Announcement...We need to remember that a firearm is not a toy. No matter how much experience you have with them, an accidents might happen. ALWAYS respect your firearm and treat it as if it is loaded. Think safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd!
Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
1) IMO this is not a safe practice. Go to the range if you want to chamber rounds. You never know what is going to happen. It only take one round to do damage.
2) Bad practice for a gun shop owner to chamber rounds in-house with customers. I wouldn't go back to that shop.
The only gun I have loaded in my home is my 870 for HD. The 870 is loaded, but a round is not chambered. I respect that gun the most b/c it is loaded.
Public Service Announcement...We need to remember that a firearm is not a toy. No matter how much experience you have with them, an accidents might happen. ALWAYS respect your firearm and treat it as if it is loaded. Think safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd!
wat
5/17/2012 9:29:27 AM
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
Sure there won't be any safety problems as long as the 4 rules are followed, but the ol' lady would have still have my head if I had a slam fire and put a hole in the floor.
5/17/2012 9:29:34 AM
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
The free floating firing pin is not affected by the position of the safety selector so if a slam fire was going to occur, it would do so whether the gun was on safe or fire. No reason not to have the weapon on safe though.
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Not sure if it helps at all, but I always set my selector to "safe" before inserting a mag. I'll pull back the CH, lock the bolt open, set gun to safe, insert mag, slap bolt release.
Not sure if it helps at all, but I always set my selector to "safe" before inserting a mag. I'll pull back the CH, lock the bolt open, set gun to safe, insert mag, slap bolt release.
The free floating firing pin is not affected by the position of the safety selector so if a slam fire was going to occur, it would do so whether the gun was on safe or fire. No reason not to have the weapon on safe though.
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
I know this comment wasn't directed toward anyone specific.
I just don't understand the "afraid" comment?
I put my handgun away every morning in a safe.
I check to make sure the chamber is empty.
And when I get it out every night I check the chamber.
To me this is safety, even though I'm the only person with access to my guns.
Being safe is a must with guns. Just remember guns don't kill people, dumb-a**es kill people!!
5/17/2012 10:28:31 AM
Originally Posted By foursixty:
I don't understand this post....^^^^
I thought it was kind of a given he was talking about the AR.
Chambering any weapon in the house is acceptable to me personally. The same safe protocols and fundamentals apply to the AR as well.
I point mine in a safe direction. Ride the charging handle home, and follow up with a touch of forward assist. Then it's put on safe. I know the gun is loaded. And I, along with anyone else in my house would treat it as such regardless whether or not it was. All guns are loaded, that's the mindset you need to have.
Originally Posted By Glock031:
To keep it on topic with the "post" the op is talking AR15, Not a Glock or shotgun or Bolt rifle or any other.....
To keep it on topic with the "post" the op is talking AR15, Not a Glock or shotgun or Bolt rifle or any other.....
I don't understand this post....^^^^
I thought it was kind of a given he was talking about the AR.
Chambering any weapon in the house is acceptable to me personally. The same safe protocols and fundamentals apply to the AR as well.
I point mine in a safe direction. Ride the charging handle home, and follow up with a touch of forward assist. Then it's put on safe. I know the gun is loaded. And I, along with anyone else in my house would treat it as such regardless whether or not it was. All guns are loaded, that's the mindset you need to have.
Yes there are replies in this thread about other types of firearms that aren't pertinent to the question. Undesrtand now?
5/17/2012 10:37:23 AM
An AR15 is the only firearm that worrys me slamming one in the chamber. I had a slam fire at the range once. It would be easier for me to just open the back door.( woods out back) My luck and i'd probally hit a water or gas line under my hardwood floor.
5/17/2012 11:07:04 AM
Originally Posted By Engel12626:
Sure there won't be any safety problems as long as the 4 rules are followed, but the ol' lady would have still have my head if I had a slam fire and put a hole in the floor.
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
Sure there won't be any safety problems as long as the 4 rules are followed, but the ol' lady would have still have my head if I had a slam fire and put a hole in the floor.
Idea: point in the direction of a window if you're worried at putting a hole in the wall or floor.
5/17/2012 11:12:49 AM
Originally Posted By bassist:
wat
Originally Posted By beprepared:
1) IMO this is not a safe practice. Go to the range if you want to chamber rounds. You never know what is going to happen. It only take one round to do damage.
2) Bad practice for a gun shop owner to chamber rounds in-house with customers. I wouldn't go back to that shop.
The only gun I have loaded in my home is my 870 for HD. The 870 is loaded, but a round is not chambered. I respect that gun the most b/c it is loaded.
Public Service Announcement...We need to remember that a firearm is not a toy. No matter how much experience you have with them, an accidents might happen. ALWAYS respect your firearm and treat it as if it is loaded. Think safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd!
Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
1) IMO this is not a safe practice. Go to the range if you want to chamber rounds. You never know what is going to happen. It only take one round to do damage.
2) Bad practice for a gun shop owner to chamber rounds in-house with customers. I wouldn't go back to that shop.
The only gun I have loaded in my home is my 870 for HD. The 870 is loaded, but a round is not chambered. I respect that gun the most b/c it is loaded.
Public Service Announcement...We need to remember that a firearm is not a toy. No matter how much experience you have with them, an accidents might happen. ALWAYS respect your firearm and treat it as if it is loaded. Think safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd!
wat
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/573893_Hornady_TAP_BIG_PROBLEMS__DO_NOT_USE_IT_.html
Read the OP's post! Need I say more...
5/17/2012 11:18:09 AM
Originally Posted By dudeinmo:
I know this comment wasn't directed toward anyone specific.
I just don't understand the "afraid" comment?
I put my handgun away every morning in a safe.
I check to make sure the chamber is empty.
And when I get it out every night I check the chamber.
To me this is safety, even though I'm the only person with access to my guns.
Being safe is a must with guns. Just remember guns don't kill people, dumb-a**es kill people!!
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
The free floating firing pin is not affected by the position of the safety selector so if a slam fire was going to occur, it would do so whether the gun was on safe or fire. No reason not to have the weapon on safe though.
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Not sure if it helps at all, but I always set my selector to "safe" before inserting a mag. I'll pull back the CH, lock the bolt open, set gun to safe, insert mag, slap bolt release.
Not sure if it helps at all, but I always set my selector to "safe" before inserting a mag. I'll pull back the CH, lock the bolt open, set gun to safe, insert mag, slap bolt release.
The free floating firing pin is not affected by the position of the safety selector so if a slam fire was going to occur, it would do so whether the gun was on safe or fire. No reason not to have the weapon on safe though.
EDIT: So far I am very surprised at the number of people who are afraid/weary of chambering their AR's. If you always treat all guns as if they were loaded (and all of the other safe firearm handling rules that logically follow this), there won't be any problems.
I know this comment wasn't directed toward anyone specific.
I just don't understand the "afraid" comment?
I put my handgun away every morning in a safe.
I check to make sure the chamber is empty.
And when I get it out every night I check the chamber.
To me this is safety, even though I'm the only person with access to my guns.
Being safe is a must with guns. Just remember guns don't kill people, dumb-a**es kill people!!
There is nothing wrong with respecting a firearm. This was taken from the link in my earlier post^^
Sorry about the crazy headline but i knew it would get more people in here to read about this serious problem.
I recently had a range day and shot up some of the old TAP rounds that had the light primer strike from chambering. Of the 15 rounds i had to burn up, 9 of them failed to fire after a very solid primer strike. 9!! Mind you this is after being chambered a single time.
On top of this huge dissapointment i return to my home and proceded to load my HD rifle up with that garbage ammo (dont ask me why) and i chamber the fresh TAP round and BANG!!!! Let me start off by me saying the rifle was pointed it the safest direction and to the floor. Finger was not on the trigger, and the Safety was fully engaged. The first thing i did was take my rifle apart to verify that i properly reconfigured the BCG. it was all in order.
I have never ever in my life had so many issues with a single brand of ammo. I shoot an assload of cheap ammo including the wolf and herters brands without a single issue. So after this interesting moment i had in my kitchen i went outside and Chambered a wolf round 15 times and then fired it.. GG Hornady.
I am going to try to figure out how to post pictures, but apon inspection of the TAP round i found the primer had not been fully seated from the factory and was not even flush with the butt of the round!
Then as stupid as i am i loaded the rifle up with the TAP ammo (i know now your thinking "how stupid is this guy") and threw it in the safe. A few days go by and i cannot get that fear of hornady ammo out of my mind so i decide to go out and blow off that mag of tap ammo. I take it directly out of the safe and out to the back porch and pull the trigger.. CLICK! Now im thinking, "i coulda swore i stored it loaded" cycle the charging handle and sure as shit it kicked the round with a perfect primer strike onto the deck..
Now your thinking Wow what a streak of bad luck.. i purchased boxes of TAP ammo on separate occasions from different Lot#'s.
Im sorry for the long read but i needed to get my experience with this ammo out before someone is injured.
I understand, dont load your HD weapon in the house. I WANT PEOPLE TO LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE! so can we please keep this on topic. this is about the ammo not my stupid mistake.
I recently had a range day and shot up some of the old TAP rounds that had the light primer strike from chambering. Of the 15 rounds i had to burn up, 9 of them failed to fire after a very solid primer strike. 9!! Mind you this is after being chambered a single time.
On top of this huge dissapointment i return to my home and proceded to load my HD rifle up with that garbage ammo (dont ask me why) and i chamber the fresh TAP round and BANG!!!! Let me start off by me saying the rifle was pointed it the safest direction and to the floor. Finger was not on the trigger, and the Safety was fully engaged. The first thing i did was take my rifle apart to verify that i properly reconfigured the BCG. it was all in order.
I have never ever in my life had so many issues with a single brand of ammo. I shoot an assload of cheap ammo including the wolf and herters brands without a single issue. So after this interesting moment i had in my kitchen i went outside and Chambered a wolf round 15 times and then fired it.. GG Hornady.
I am going to try to figure out how to post pictures, but apon inspection of the TAP round i found the primer had not been fully seated from the factory and was not even flush with the butt of the round!
Then as stupid as i am i loaded the rifle up with the TAP ammo (i know now your thinking "how stupid is this guy") and threw it in the safe. A few days go by and i cannot get that fear of hornady ammo out of my mind so i decide to go out and blow off that mag of tap ammo. I take it directly out of the safe and out to the back porch and pull the trigger.. CLICK! Now im thinking, "i coulda swore i stored it loaded" cycle the charging handle and sure as shit it kicked the round with a perfect primer strike onto the deck..
Now your thinking Wow what a streak of bad luck.. i purchased boxes of TAP ammo on separate occasions from different Lot#'s.
Im sorry for the long read but i needed to get my experience with this ammo out before someone is injured.
I understand, dont load your HD weapon in the house. I WANT PEOPLE TO LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE! so can we please keep this on topic. this is about the ammo not my stupid mistake.
5/17/2012 11:33:09 AM
Originally Posted By beprepared:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/573893_Hornady_TAP_BIG_PROBLEMS__DO_NOT_USE_IT_.html
Read the OP's post! Need I say more...
Originally Posted By bassist:
wat
Originally Posted By beprepared:
1) IMO this is not a safe practice. Go to the range if you want to chamber rounds. You never know what is going to happen. It only take one round to do damage.
2) Bad practice for a gun shop owner to chamber rounds in-house with customers. I wouldn't go back to that shop.
The only gun I have loaded in my home is my 870 for HD. The 870 is loaded, but a round is not chambered. I respect that gun the most b/c it is loaded.
Public Service Announcement...We need to remember that a firearm is not a toy. No matter how much experience you have with them, an accidents might happen. ALWAYS respect your firearm and treat it as if it is loaded. Think safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd!
Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
I know for obvious reason but is it really that big of a risk? I have fired thousands of rounds and never had a slam fire. There are also two shops in my area that I have watched the shop owners chamber life rounds in their stores..... so tell me what you guys think?
1) IMO this is not a safe practice. Go to the range if you want to chamber rounds. You never know what is going to happen. It only take one round to do damage.
2) Bad practice for a gun shop owner to chamber rounds in-house with customers. I wouldn't go back to that shop.
The only gun I have loaded in my home is my 870 for HD. The 870 is loaded, but a round is not chambered. I respect that gun the most b/c it is loaded.
Public Service Announcement...We need to remember that a firearm is not a toy. No matter how much experience you have with them, an accidents might happen. ALWAYS respect your firearm and treat it as if it is loaded. Think safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd!
wat
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/573893_Hornady_TAP_BIG_PROBLEMS__DO_NOT_USE_IT_.html
Read the OP's post! Need I say more...
You are being anal.
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5/17/2012 11:46:19 AM
The only time I chamber a round is right before I'm ready to shoot it. When I'm done shooting I follow proper clearing procedures, which includes ensuring there's nothing in the pipe.
That's just the way I was trained.
And since my wife has strict rules against "shooting that thing in the house!", I never chamber a round at home.
That's just the way I was trained.
And since my wife has strict rules against "shooting that thing in the house!", I never chamber a round at home.
5/17/2012 12:09:15 PM
We were trained to ease the BCG forward and use the forward assist to close the bolt.
I have seen several ADs over the years chambering a round slamming the bolt.
I have seen several ADs over the years chambering a round slamming the bolt.
5/17/2012 12:57:32 PM
Fuck it. I live in an apartment. I hope all the neighbors are wearing their plates. 
~WTS
~WTS
5/17/2012 1:21:43 PM
Originally Posted By dudeinmo:
I'm a handloader, so from time to time I have OCD and want to cycle all my rounds I loaded to satisfy my worry that I missed a case in the resize step ( hasn't happened yet, but I have OCD ).
My routine :
1 ) Always point the weapon in a safe direction - in my case down and toward my reload bench
2 ) I remove the firing pin - no chance of slam fire that way
3 ) Selector on Safe
4 ) Insert mag
5 ) Pull CH and release to chamber
6 ) Repeat
It might be overkill, but it's how I do it.
I'm a handloader, so from time to time I have OCD and want to cycle all my rounds I loaded to satisfy my worry that I missed a case in the resize step ( hasn't happened yet, but I have OCD ).
My routine :
1 ) Always point the weapon in a safe direction - in my case down and toward my reload bench
2 ) I remove the firing pin - no chance of slam fire that way
3 ) Selector on Safe
4 ) Insert mag
5 ) Pull CH and release to chamber
6 ) Repeat
It might be overkill, but it's how I do it.
Hate to sound like an idiot as I'm new to this. How you put the selector on safe before the hammer is cocked? Mine won't go until it's cocked and I thought that was normal.
5/17/2012 2:04:07 PM
Originally Posted By PFC:
We were trained to ease the BCG forward and use the forward assist to close the bolt.
I have seen several ADs over the years chambering a round slamming the bolt.
We were trained to ease the BCG forward and use the forward assist to close the bolt.
I have seen several ADs over the years chambering a round slamming the bolt.
SOP here after we had a TAP round do this to the floor in the shop! Called Hornady and they said they do not use mil spec primers and have no plans of changing to them.
5/17/2012 2:13:13 PM
Originally Posted By fenderCAB:
Hate to sound like an idiot as I'm new to this. How you put the selector on safe before the hammer is cocked? Mine won't go until it's cocked and I thought that was normal.
Originally Posted By dudeinmo:
I'm a handloader, so from time to time I have OCD and want to cycle all my rounds I loaded to satisfy my worry that I missed a case in the resize step ( hasn't happened yet, but I have OCD ).
My routine :
1 ) Always point the weapon in a safe direction - in my case down and toward my reload bench
2 ) I remove the firing pin - no chance of slam fire that way
3 ) Selector on Safe
4 ) Insert mag
5 ) Pull CH and release to chamber
6 ) Repeat
It might be overkill, but it's how I do it.
I'm a handloader, so from time to time I have OCD and want to cycle all my rounds I loaded to satisfy my worry that I missed a case in the resize step ( hasn't happened yet, but I have OCD ).
My routine :
1 ) Always point the weapon in a safe direction - in my case down and toward my reload bench
2 ) I remove the firing pin - no chance of slam fire that way
3 ) Selector on Safe
4 ) Insert mag
5 ) Pull CH and release to chamber
6 ) Repeat
It might be overkill, but it's how I do it.
Hate to sound like an idiot as I'm new to this. How you put the selector on safe before the hammer is cocked? Mine won't go until it's cocked and I thought that was normal.
My rifle is always on safe unless it's hunting or at the range, so the hammer is cocked all the time. Its just a checklist I go through in my head.
5/17/2012 2:26:02 PM
Suggestion: A 5 gallon bucket of sand in the corner of your gun room would be pretty good at stopping a lead core bullet if accidently fired in the house. Put the flashhider on the lid and aim straight down to the bottom of the bucket when you load the weapon. A deeper bucket with lid would be better or you can stack 2 of them. Much cheaper to replace or repair than furniture, windows, floors or even a vest and plates. You can even build a frame and angle it like a military clearing barrel so the direction of bullet travel is away from you. BTW, I've seen clearing barrels shot by some very safety minded people and it just takes a moment of distraction, being tired, mind wandering or what have you to have an accident. Be safe, have fun.
5/17/2012 2:59:40 PM
Not that it matters, nor do I care. But I find it very interesting/odd that there are so many people on this site that claim they bought/use their AR for home protection. Yet as evident by this thread there are many that don't keep them loaded, and won't load them anywhere but the range. Where would you load the rifle for home defense (if you choose to use it for that) if not in your home??
Call me baffled a little.
Call me baffled a little.
5/17/2012 3:30:55 PM
Loading at home is always done in my basement where i keep one of my plate carriers. Its a safe direction and the round should be caught by the armor. The other aspect that most folks don't seem to recognize is the reuse of a chambered round. When i chamber a round (rifle or pistol) (for duty), i never reuse that round for duty. It either gets shot or in the event that the weapon has been cleared for cleaning or to return it (the M4) back to condition 3, the formerly chambered round gets put into the range ammo box and is not fit for duty. Repeatidly rechambering a round can be a recipe for disaster (bullet set back and etc) and its easier to replace the round in the magazine with a new one and then use the formerly chambered round for training only.
