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Why in the %&@# are 40mm launchers so spendy?!
2/11/2009 9:13:35 PM
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
2/11/2009 9:48:48 PM
Originally Posted By policemanC1:
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Because 40mms must be capable of launching high explosives safely ... and because 37mms, even without HE projectiles, frequently blow up in their users' hands?
A better question might be: Why buy a Glock when a Hi-Point is damn near free? Why won't someone make an affordable quality handgun?
2/11/2009 10:12:32 PM
40s need a tax stamp too I recall......
2/12/2009 1:54:54 AM
Why do people even get the 37's? Or 40's for that matter? Even if you could legally own a 40mm that still doesn't let you acquire the real H.E. rounds or even somewhat explosive dummy rounds. I just don't see the point unless you poop out money and just want it for the way it looks. I can't imagine shooting smoke bombs or flares is worth that kind of $. I'm sure there are people who make explosive shells out of the empty ones you can get if they know what they are doing. Maybe that is why some people buy them?
2/12/2009 3:28:01 PM
Cubieman: I have a 37mm and have ZERO interest in launching flares or smoke. I registered mine as a DD (you need a tax stamp for a 40mm anyway) because I wanted to be able to launch the same type of rounds as those with 40mm. Most 40mm owners do not buy commercial rounds because of cost so they are in the same boat as a 37mm owner "Roll Your Own". With Grogg's reloading CD's it takes all of a few hours to learn how to make fun rounds like practice chalk rounds, explosive marking rounds, Flaschette rounds, batton and stinger rounds, paintball rounds, bird bombs, etc. I also have a Beehive round that fires multiple 22lr. at the same time. I would venture to say most people on ARfcom can't afford to JUST shoot "commercial" ammo for their AR's and other califers. They RELOAD, so what is the difference if it is a rifle califer or 37mm?
Dog
Dog
2/12/2009 3:55:07 PM
Thats cool man, I guess I didn't realize you had so many different options. Thats a REALLY nice looking setup as well.
2/12/2009 10:30:02 PM
I mostly want one for the .22 beehive adapter. I didn't realize there was one for the 37
2/13/2009 10:00:21 AM
policeman: There isn't a Beehive round made for the 37mm. You need to get a Beehive made for 40mm and have it turned down to 37mm. Your launcher MUST also be registered as a DD.
Dog
Dog
2/14/2009 3:50:22 AM
Originally Posted By MadDogDan:
policeman: There isn't a Beehive round made for the 37mm. You need to get a Beehive made for 40mm and have it turned down to 37mm. Your launcher MUST also be registered as a DD.
Dog
policeman: There isn't a Beehive round made for the 37mm. You need to get a Beehive made for 40mm and have it turned down to 37mm. Your launcher MUST also be registered as a DD.
Dog
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the launcher fires more than one round per trigger pull, wouldn't that make it an MG? Or, since its already registered as a DD is it categorized differently?
Go easy, I don't peruse in the DD forum often
2/14/2009 6:32:46 PM
The launcher is firing one round per trigger pull. The "adapter" is the round. A primer in the base of the adapter (when fired) forces a multi firing pin into the 22 shells, setting them all off. The adapter itself does not have a trigger, and is not, in itself, a firearm. Also, those old blunderbuss weapons, with multiple barrels, fired all rounds at one time too, but they were never considered machine guns.
As far as why they are expensive... I wish they were not. Most are expensive because they are not bought and sold on every street corner. Very few manufacturers will sell to civillians, and parts are scarce. It is possible, if you have good friends, to build one for under 1g. My M79 cost less, but I traded a few rounds I had for some very good machine work... GROG
As far as why they are expensive... I wish they were not. Most are expensive because they are not bought and sold on every street corner. Very few manufacturers will sell to civillians, and parts are scarce. It is possible, if you have good friends, to build one for under 1g. My M79 cost less, but I traded a few rounds I had for some very good machine work... GROG
2/15/2009 7:39:26 PM
Originally Posted By grog18b:
The launcher is firing one round per trigger pull. The "adapter" is the round. A primer in the base of the adapter (when fired) forces a multi firing pin into the 22 shells, setting them all off. The adapter itself does not have a trigger, and is not, in itself, a firearm. Also, those old blunderbuss weapons, with multiple barrels, fired all rounds at one time too, but they were never considered machine guns.
As far as why they are expensive... I wish they were not. Most are expensive because they are not bought and sold on every street corner. Very few manufacturers will sell to civillians, and parts are scarce. It is possible, if you have good friends, to build one for under 1g. My M79 cost less, but I traded a few rounds I had for some very good machine work... GROG
The launcher is firing one round per trigger pull. The "adapter" is the round. A primer in the base of the adapter (when fired) forces a multi firing pin into the 22 shells, setting them all off. The adapter itself does not have a trigger, and is not, in itself, a firearm. Also, those old blunderbuss weapons, with multiple barrels, fired all rounds at one time too, but they were never considered machine guns.
As far as why they are expensive... I wish they were not. Most are expensive because they are not bought and sold on every street corner. Very few manufacturers will sell to civillians, and parts are scarce. It is possible, if you have good friends, to build one for under 1g. My M79 cost less, but I traded a few rounds I had for some very good machine work... GROG
Aha. Clever! Thank you.
2/17/2009 1:39:14 PM
Originally Posted By Cubieman:
Why do people even get the 37's? Or 40's for that matter? Even if you could legally own a 40mm that still doesn't let you acquire the real H.E. rounds or even somewhat explosive dummy rounds. I just don't see the point unless you poop out money and just want it for the way it looks. I can't imagine shooting smoke bombs or flares is worth that kind of $. I'm sure there are people who make explosive shells out of the empty ones you can get if they know what they are doing. Maybe that is why some people buy them?
Why do people even get the 37's? Or 40's for that matter? Even if you could legally own a 40mm that still doesn't let you acquire the real H.E. rounds or even somewhat explosive dummy rounds. I just don't see the point unless you poop out money and just want it for the way it looks. I can't imagine shooting smoke bombs or flares is worth that kind of $. I'm sure there are people who make explosive shells out of the empty ones you can get if they know what they are doing. Maybe that is why some people buy them?
A lot of farmer's and ranchers use something called bird bombs, usually launched from a shotgun but there are variants that fire from grenade launchers. They just make a loud report, used to scare off birds and other vermin getting into crops.
2/17/2009 7:10:50 PM
Bird Bombs are very easy to make in both 37mm and 40mm but many cities and states will not allow them. Know your local laws. Unfortunately my state does not allow Bird Bombs.
ETA: Bird Bombs are also commercially available.
Dog
ETA: Bird Bombs are also commercially available.
Dog
3/7/2009 4:04:23 AM
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
A lot of farmer's and ranchers use something called bird bombs, usually launched from a shotgun but there are variants that fire from grenade launchers. They just make a loud report, used to scare off birds and other vermin getting into crops.
Originally Posted By Cubieman:
Why do people even get the 37's? Or 40's for that matter? Even if you could legally own a 40mm that still doesn't let you acquire the real H.E. rounds or even somewhat explosive dummy rounds. I just don't see the point unless you poop out money and just want it for the way it looks. I can't imagine shooting smoke bombs or flares is worth that kind of $. I'm sure there are people who make explosive shells out of the empty ones you can get if they know what they are doing. Maybe that is why some people buy them?
Why do people even get the 37's? Or 40's for that matter? Even if you could legally own a 40mm that still doesn't let you acquire the real H.E. rounds or even somewhat explosive dummy rounds. I just don't see the point unless you poop out money and just want it for the way it looks. I can't imagine shooting smoke bombs or flares is worth that kind of $. I'm sure there are people who make explosive shells out of the empty ones you can get if they know what they are doing. Maybe that is why some people buy them?
A lot of farmer's and ranchers use something called bird bombs, usually launched from a shotgun but there are variants that fire from grenade launchers. They just make a loud report, used to scare off birds and other vermin getting into crops.
It's pretty fun to try and drop chalk rounds into a kiddy pool at 200 yards.
3/7/2009 4:42:04 AM
Originally Posted By Ben762:
Aha. Clever! Thank you.
Originally Posted By grog18b:
The launcher is firing one round per trigger pull. The "adapter" is the round. A primer in the base of the adapter (when fired) forces a multi firing pin into the 22 shells, setting them all off. The adapter itself does not have a trigger, and is not, in itself, a firearm. Also, those old blunderbuss weapons, with multiple barrels, fired all rounds at one time too, but they were never considered machine guns.
As far as why they are expensive... I wish they were not. Most are expensive because they are not bought and sold on every street corner. Very few manufacturers will sell to civillians, and parts are scarce. It is possible, if you have good friends, to build one for under 1g. My M79 cost less, but I traded a few rounds I had for some very good machine work... GROG
The launcher is firing one round per trigger pull. The "adapter" is the round. A primer in the base of the adapter (when fired) forces a multi firing pin into the 22 shells, setting them all off. The adapter itself does not have a trigger, and is not, in itself, a firearm. Also, those old blunderbuss weapons, with multiple barrels, fired all rounds at one time too, but they were never considered machine guns.
As far as why they are expensive... I wish they were not. Most are expensive because they are not bought and sold on every street corner. Very few manufacturers will sell to civillians, and parts are scarce. It is possible, if you have good friends, to build one for under 1g. My M79 cost less, but I traded a few rounds I had for some very good machine work... GROG
Aha. Clever! Thank you.
3/8/2009 6:45:57 PM
Originally Posted By Cubieman:
Why do people even get the 37's? Or 40's for that matter? Even if you could legally own a 40mm that still doesn't let you acquire the real H.E. rounds or even somewhat explosive dummy rounds. I just don't see the point unless you poop out money and just want it for the way it looks. I can't imagine shooting smoke bombs or flares is worth that kind of $. I'm sure there are people who make explosive shells out of the empty ones you can get if they know what they are doing. Maybe that is why some people buy them?
Why do people even get the 37's? Or 40's for that matter? Even if you could legally own a 40mm that still doesn't let you acquire the real H.E. rounds or even somewhat explosive dummy rounds. I just don't see the point unless you poop out money and just want it for the way it looks. I can't imagine shooting smoke bombs or flares is worth that kind of $. I'm sure there are people who make explosive shells out of the empty ones you can get if they know what they are doing. Maybe that is why some people buy them?
Their appeal to me is simple: 40mm shotgun!
Oh, one day.....
4/22/2009 7:47:11 PM
40mm shotgun appeals to me too. I was thinking 1/2 ball bareings for a longer ranged "grapeshot" effect. I am just going to save for a 40 since I really really like my left hand, I guess after all these years you could say I am pretty attatched to it.
5/5/2009 7:57:56 PM
Long mountain outfitters has a 40mm for 1600.00 that's not too bad.
Vaughn at Autoweapons.com has a bigger and more expensive selection. I have one, with the standard mounting kit, and I should have gotten the rail mounted instead. Autoweapons.com also has buckshot and specialty rounds. Best of all he has pump action 4 shot m79.
Vaughn at Autoweapons.com has a bigger and more expensive selection. I have one, with the standard mounting kit, and I should have gotten the rail mounted instead. Autoweapons.com also has buckshot and specialty rounds. Best of all he has pump action 4 shot m79.
5/21/2009 4:22:42 PM
Originally Posted By MadDogDan:
Cubieman: I have a 37mm and have ZERO interest in launching flares or smoke. I registered mine as a DD (you need a tax stamp for a 40mm anyway) because I wanted to be able to launch the same type of rounds as those with 40mm. Most 40mm owners do not buy commercial rounds because of cost so they are in the same boat as a 37mm owner "Roll Your Own". With Grogg's reloading CD's it takes all of a few hours to learn how to make fun rounds like practice chalk rounds, explosive marking rounds, Flaschette rounds, batton and stinger rounds, paintball rounds, bird bombs, etc. I also have a Beehive round that fires multiple 22lr. at the same time. I would venture to say most people on ARfcom can't afford to JUST shoot "commercial" ammo for their AR's and other califers. They RELOAD, so what is the difference if it is a rifle califer or 37mm?
Dog
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/Spikes37mm002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/Spikes37mm012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/BlowoutKit001.jpg
Cubieman: I have a 37mm and have ZERO interest in launching flares or smoke. I registered mine as a DD (you need a tax stamp for a 40mm anyway) because I wanted to be able to launch the same type of rounds as those with 40mm. Most 40mm owners do not buy commercial rounds because of cost so they are in the same boat as a 37mm owner "Roll Your Own". With Grogg's reloading CD's it takes all of a few hours to learn how to make fun rounds like practice chalk rounds, explosive marking rounds, Flaschette rounds, batton and stinger rounds, paintball rounds, bird bombs, etc. I also have a Beehive round that fires multiple 22lr. at the same time. I would venture to say most people on ARfcom can't afford to JUST shoot "commercial" ammo for their AR's and other califers. They RELOAD, so what is the difference if it is a rifle califer or 37mm?
Dog
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/Spikes37mm002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/Spikes37mm012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/BlowoutKit001.jpg
Holy shit, what rifle is that? It looks like a .223 gas piston folding stock FAL (AKA awesome).
5/22/2009 11:57:17 PM
VRazer2:
It is a .223 gas piston, folding stock Robinson XCR. Since I do a lot of reloading in 6.8 SPC and find it cheaper to now shoot 6.8 that buy decent factory .223, I am getting an 11" barrel in 6.8 as the XCR allows you to change calibers in less than two minutes. I had my 37mm bored out to 40mm and now use a 40mm Beehive round as well as 37mm rounds that I reload. The three rounds in my bug-out kit are Beehive, practice chalk, and Flaschette round (approx. 150 steel darts in each round).
MadDog
It is a .223 gas piston, folding stock Robinson XCR. Since I do a lot of reloading in 6.8 SPC and find it cheaper to now shoot 6.8 that buy decent factory .223, I am getting an 11" barrel in 6.8 as the XCR allows you to change calibers in less than two minutes. I had my 37mm bored out to 40mm and now use a 40mm Beehive round as well as 37mm rounds that I reload. The three rounds in my bug-out kit are Beehive, practice chalk, and Flaschette round (approx. 150 steel darts in each round).
MadDog
5/23/2009 3:01:05 PM
Dan, when you bored the barrel out, how much meat do you have left? I have yet to try out a Spikes, so I don't know how thick the barrels are yet. Thanks, GROG
5/23/2009 10:00:16 PM
Grog: There is plenty of meat left in the tube walls after boreing. I don't remember exactly how much but even though Spike's tube is supposed to be 37mm the main body of the tube mic'd at 38mm and the chamber end mic'd at 38.5 so not much needed to be taken off.
Dog
Dog
5/23/2009 10:24:30 PM
Thanks Bro, appreciate that. I just got one of the Bates Mfg 79 type launchers to T&E, and their barrel has a lot of meat too. I might register it and bore it to 40mm too. It is a really nice launcher for the price. I'll be doing a review within the next few weeks. I have to bore it out to 38 anyway, as they set it up for exactly 37mm and it won't take any commercial 37/38 rounds. Only thing it will chamber now is those plastic casings RPB used to sell. They are going to take my recommendations on boring them out right from the factory, but I wanted to do this one custom myself. More fun that way... 
GROG
GROG5/23/2009 10:40:07 PM
Grog: Does Bates have a web site? I really want an M79 but don't want to spend the $ for the real thing and would not hesitate to get a good clone in 37mm.
Dog
Dog
5/24/2009 8:14:57 AM
http://www.batesmfg.com/contact_us.htm
Send George Bates an e-mail as the launchers are not on their website. Tell him I sent you his way, and you are interested in getting one with the "improved" bore and barrel, as I recommended. He'll know what you want. He's a really good guy, and you WON'T be disappointed with his launcher. It is NICE, and the cost can't be beat. GROG
The fit and finish of this launcher is very, very, good.
Send George Bates an e-mail as the launchers are not on their website. Tell him I sent you his way, and you are interested in getting one with the "improved" bore and barrel, as I recommended. He'll know what you want. He's a really good guy, and you WON'T be disappointed with his launcher. It is NICE, and the cost can't be beat. GROG
The fit and finish of this launcher is very, very, good.
5/25/2009 5:06:55 PM
Originally Posted By grog18b:
http://www.batesmfg.com/contact_us.htm
Send George Bates an e-mail as the launchers are not on their website. Tell him I sent you his way, and you are interested in getting one with the "improved" bore and barrel, as I recommended. He'll know what you want. He's a really good guy, and you WON'T be disappointed with his launcher. It is NICE, and the cost can't be beat. GROG
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/grog18b/2019.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/grog18b/2024.jpg
The fit and finish of this launcher is very, very, good.
http://www.batesmfg.com/contact_us.htm
Send George Bates an e-mail as the launchers are not on their website. Tell him I sent you his way, and you are interested in getting one with the "improved" bore and barrel, as I recommended. He'll know what you want. He's a really good guy, and you WON'T be disappointed with his launcher. It is NICE, and the cost can't be beat. GROG
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/grog18b/2019.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/grog18b/2024.jpg
The fit and finish of this launcher is very, very, good.
has anyone tried to get those closer to an m79 in appearance
6/1/2009 8:45:08 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Because 40mms must be capable of launching high explosives safely ... and because 37mms, even without HE projectiles, frequently blow up in their users' hands?
A better question might be: Why buy a Glock when a Hi-Point is damn near free? Why won't someone make an affordable quality handgun?
Originally Posted By policemanC1:
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Because 40mms must be capable of launching high explosives safely ... and because 37mms, even without HE projectiles, frequently blow up in their users' hands?
A better question might be: Why buy a Glock when a Hi-Point is damn near free? Why won't someone make an affordable quality handgun?
Not to mention Hi Points dont blow up, making the deal even sweeter!
10/15/2009 4:35:50 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Because 40mms must be capable of launching high explosives safely ... and because 37mms, even without HE projectiles, frequently blow up in their users' hands?
Originally Posted By policemanC1:
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Because 40mms must be capable of launching high explosives safely ... and because 37mms, even without HE projectiles, frequently blow up in their users' hands?
wow so firing smoke or flares, or cs can blow up in a 37mm?
10/15/2009 5:53:44 PM
Originally Posted By PaBambiKiller:
wow so firing smoke or flares, or cs can blow up in a 37mm?
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Because 40mms must be capable of launching high explosives safely ... and because 37mms, even without HE projectiles, frequently blow up in their users' hands?
Originally Posted By policemanC1:
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Seriously. The 37mms are damn near free. Why won't someone make an affordable 40mm?
Because 40mms must be capable of launching high explosives safely ... and because 37mms, even without HE projectiles, frequently blow up in their users' hands?
wow so firing smoke or flares, or cs can blow up in a 37mm?
No, it won't. 37mm's explode when people try and mix tannerite charges in them.
10/15/2009 6:50:53 PM
Show me pictures of a 37mm that blew up from smoke, flares, or cs!!! I have seen pictures of peoples hands almost blow clean off but that was from morons making their own rounds with things like flash powder and the bottom line was they did not know what the hell they were doing when attampting to make their own rounds.
I reload my own bird bombs, practice chalk rounds, paintball rounds, Flaschette rounds, etc, and fire them from a 37mm without any problems.
MadDog
I reload my own bird bombs, practice chalk rounds, paintball rounds, Flaschette rounds, etc, and fire them from a 37mm without any problems.
MadDog
