Is the M11/9 with Lage upper worth it?

I have been a stamp collector for a few years now with SBR's and suppressors. I never thought I would be able to make the leap to machine guns until recently. I realized if I sold off a few things that I could afford an M11/9, a Lage MAX-11 upper, a 22 conversion and some accessories. For those that own an M11/9, do you think it is worth it to sell:

• a basic Bulgarian AK-74


• a Bulgarian RPK-74


• a Bulgarian AKS-74U kit with blonde furniture


• all 5.45 ammo, magazines and accessories

I've shot FA before, but I am looking at it like a boat or a motorcycle, etc. Sure, everyone thinks it's great and fun when it belongs to someone else, but that all changes once you own it. I don't get to shoot these as often as I would like to and, surprisingly, would have more options as far as places to shoot the M11/9 versus the AK's. The only downsides I see are that I lose three guns and the RPK-74 is fairly rare.

So, what am I missing and what would you do?

I would do it if I were you. FA is a lot more fun then any semi. Here is my MAX-11 DF Uppered M11/9.

That is EXACTLY what I am looking to do. I might go with the folding stock, but that is it!

Worth it? OOOOOOOH YEEEAAAAHHHH....








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Hell yeah I'd do it, and twice on Sunday. The problem with your boat analogy is that a boat is big, and has expensive up keep. Big, as in you need someplace to store it, like a garage spot, or other storage place. Expensive up keep is just that. You need a slip for it, or trailer to keep it, gas to make it run, up keep on it. That is another MG by the time you are done with it over a couple of years.

Plus, the boat is going to loose value. The MG, not so much. Well, it could loose value, say if they are banned in your area, or made counter ban with the stroke of a pen. Or on the other hand, they could open it up, and then you'd loose your value in it pretty quick. But, I'd put money on them not opening it. Well, seeing as we are talking guns, I'd put my MP5 on them not opening it any time soon.

RPK74???

IM me if you want to get rid of a few things. i also have an M11A1 on a form 3 at my dealers...... trades?

Sell stuff. Buy machine gun(s). It's worth it. Good luck and make sure to post pics.

ETA: The day you get to take home your own FA gun will probably be one of the coolest gun related days of your life.

+1.

That's what I did. I started back in '94, when the AW ban was passed and "preban" AR prices started going through the roof. I sold my two used SP1s for $600 each, kicked in another $800 from my wallet, and for that $2k bought an ANIB Colt factory M16A1. And I have never looked back.

Loved (and still do love) the '16 so much, I sold off about three-quarters of my gun collection and bought more MGs. Because suddenly, semi was boring. Most semis started out as full-auto designs, and then were neutered. They are the castrata of the gun world –– all looks, no testicles.

Seventeen years later, I'm still waiting for the thrill of MG ownership to wear off. Sure hasn't happened yet. Though nowadays, some of the best fun is letting others shoot a machine gun for the first time. I love seeing that first-time full-auto grin –– it's about two inches wider than their face.

Your Mileage May Vary.

Yes. Full-auto is the shit. I bought an M11/9 to get into the full-auto game to see if I liked it thinking it might be one of those things like your boat analogy where it's fun the first time out but gets boring fast. It doesn't. I love the thing and can't stop thinking about buying more MG's.

The M11/9 Lage is freakin' awesome. It's a real nice modular sub gun with the Lage and I drop the stock upper on if I want a bullet hose. Of course you can adjust the speed of the Lage if you want either with their faster bolts or add a mac jack (speed cube). I'd definitely sell some semi guns to get one FA.

Do it!!!! and get the 22lr conversion kit to feed it all day long!!

I've got the exact same setup you mentioned. M11 with a Lage upper, stock etc and the .22 conversion kit. Sold almost all of my semi autos last year to pick it and a RR M16 up. I have no regrets. I absoloutely love FA, I don't even bother shooting the few semi autos I have left anymore. They just aren't as much fun. I'm already trying to sell the M11 to pick up a HK sear instead.

Link?

Its at my dealer on consignment. Feel free to PM me if you want more information.

For me the Lage upper is kinda long and the standard bolt is too slow. Some people hack an inch or so off of the front which makes it much better looking and speeds it up a bit. Google Max-11K conversion if you want to see one.

If hacking up an expensive upper is not your think than I'd at least buy one with the tactical bolt.

buy!
I did the same thing. buddy of mine was selling his lage'd m11 with a ton of goodies. I sold off multiple guns to buy it. havent regretted it and there's no way in hell I ever will.
the SMG stamp was #8 for me. #9 was a SMG can. #10 is a FA rated 22lr can (spectre) I just bought this morning.

FWIW, my kit has all three bolts (600, 750 and 900 rpm's) and the 750 is what stays in the gun.
.....when the 22lr kit isnt in it. the 22 kit is awesome! (not to mention Lage's customer service is ridiculously good)
and I'm on the list for the max31 (just bought 10 drums)

I'm committed to the platform and love it. nothing makes me smile like shooting it. in fact, I'm probably going to start selling stuff because, as others have said, semi auto is boring.
even suppressed semi auto

+1 on other people shooting FA for the first time. I've had friends go from "you're stupid to spend that much money on a gun" to "that's fucking awesome!!!!"
now, my 9 year old daughter gets to shoot it with the 22 kit in it.
sharing shooting sports with your kids is awesome. sharing full auto with them, even better!

You will love it.
I just got notice for my lage goodies and I plan to run the spectre on it as well.
Excellent can.

cool
I was very torn between it and a silencerco can or a liberty can.
local guy had one at a deal and I already have a warlock, so I said what the hell.

I bought a MAC m10/9 just for the fuck of it.

Mostly just because I got tired of kicking the idea around, so i figured I'd buy something cheap just to get my feet wet.

That is my favorite gun now. Hosing ammo thru a silenced machine pistol is to shooting what heroin is to drug abuse.


Definitely get the Lage upper if you are going the m11/9 route, let's face it, the stock version of the gun is kind of a piece of crap.

The M10/9 is actually a good gun in stock form, provided that you happen to like that configuration, ie a machine pistol. (Well, with the suppressor and stock it's sort of a compact SMG)

I used my re-enlistment bonus and some savings to but my first MG and the thrill still hasn't worn off. I liked it enough I sold most of my title 1 guns to fund a HK sear about 9 months ago and I haven't gone to the range without a MG since '08.

The fact that you usually don't loose money on them is a plus too.

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I don't really relate to that kind of logic....I never have buyers remorse because I know what I want before I buy it, and I research it. I do have regrets over things I DIDN"T buy though, and the M11/9 would definitely be one of them, along with all those $2000.00 M16's from years past. I think I can safely assure you that you won't miss those other guns in the least if you get the M11/Lage/subgun can. Make sure you get a can with good volume though, it will make things more enjoyable. Good luck.

The one downside to full-auto is that it (at least in my case) ruins my appreciation for semi-auto only guns.

After you get the 3rd position on the FCG on one gun you will start to look at high dollar semi-autos (like SCARs, ACRs, etc.) as just a perfectly good waste of $2,000 toward the next happy switch purchase.

I hardly ever buy semi-auto guns anymore unless they are being built as a sear host, happen to be a really good deal, or serve some specific purpose (like a new hunting shotgun).

I'm with you on that. I don't even bother going to gunshows or local gunshops anymore. I have zero interest in buying any new semi-auto guns. Same with going to the range. If the range doesn't allow FA I'm not really interested in going shooting.

Yep, at least until you run out of "moderately priced" MGs in the $7-8k or under price point. I really want a SCAR, but then I am like damn, that is 2/3 of a MAC10 and they are still making SCARs.

If you have semi autos you enjoy shooting, don't sell them. If they are sitting around and you barely shoot them if ever, sell them and get into an MG. Esp if you already have the process down for other NFA stuff.

However, I will say, I have been into MGs for almost a year and lot of the novelty has already worn off. But then again I have a short attention span.

Solution? Buy another MG.

8-9 month wait for the Lage MAX11/22

they come up for sale about once a month or so on the uzitalk board
I put my name on the list, then 2 weeks later I'd bought a used kit from someone. so it happens.

Yeah that's what I'm going to end up doing.

Now if only the MAX-31 would come up as often

No disrespect intended but: What's the allure of a .22 machine gun?

I know the ammo is dirt cheap but the experience is not even close to even that of a tame 9mm SMG.

Just do a better job of shopping for ammo.

OP: Buy the M11 and add the MAX slow fire upper ASAP but leave some extra $$$ for the speed bolt. You'll work up to it quickly.

The Lage folding stock is a must, IMO, for all MAC's.

As others have posted: When you're ready the M10/45 is an addictive beast and the M10/9 is perfect left bone stock, except for the stock...add a Lage folder, but the M10/9 is so well balanced it'll be your go to SMG unless you get a Viper for the .45

Either way you go, you'd better prepare yourself for mags: Expensive and difficult to find in varying degrees based upon which SMG you choose

No recoil, cheap to shoot, shoot all day, cheap subsonic ammo, etc

The giggle factor - it just makes me LOL.

I guess its all personal opinion, but its just pure fun. I've shot most every form of machine gun except Ma Deuce, the minigun, and the Mk19. Nothing else is quite like 22rf.

Another perspective - most 22rf take some tinkering to get them to run right. It appeals to the tinkerer in me.

I find it to be just about as fun as running the gun in 9mm personally.
I'm hitting the range about twice per week now and I can easily dump 500 rounds per range session.
Comparing the $19 federal bulk pack .22 vs the 100 round 9mm bulk pack for $20 that comes to an extra $160 per week savings (or $640/month).
I end up buying .22 conversions for all of my guns that allow that offering.

Now, having machine guns is expensive and everyone knows that so I won't complain about the money I spend on ammo, but it's certainly always good to save a few bucks.
In short, I just like the .22 kit. I think it's a blast for plinking, which is all I ever do with the MGs anyway.

For pure cool factor, a suppressed 9mm subgun is hard to beat though.

1: because you can
2: cheaper to shoot and the steel plates ring about the same
3: my 9 year old daughter can shoot it much easier and its less intimidating to the other women in my family (wife, sister in law, etc)
4: I can introduce other people to the world of FA and neither of us worry about all my ammo they're shooting up

if all you're doing is plinking (most FA shooters I'd guess), what does it really matter? besides, punches the same size hole thru a beer can as a m16....
squeeze trigger, more than one shot goes off, giggle, dont care about caliber

another way to look at it, when I'm just shooting the dirt at the ranch, it doesnt matter what I'm shooting it with. and by the time my name comes up on the max31 list, I will have "paid for it" in money saved by not shooting 9mm the whole time.

I dont want to make it sound all about the money, but if you had something where you could achieve virtually the same effect for 1/4 the cost, wouldnt you do that sometimes?
I guess the same argument could be made for all subcaliber kits, dedicated 22 uppers, anything less than a USO or NF scope, etc.

Where can you even buy that at? It isnt listed on his website that google brought up...

email lage and get on the list. around a 9 month wait I think? what I was told a few weeks ago when I put my name on the list.

my M11/9 has sat in the safe for years, and I've never actually fired my own Lage upper, so no, IMHO, it's not worth it

...and who's fault is that?

C'mon now, you can't just say that without giving some kind of reason as to why.

While we're awaiting hrt4me's answer .... After I bought my full-size Vector Uzi, my M11/9 sat in the safe, year after year.

The Uzi was and is bulletproof, and the optics and ergonomics are perfect for me ... it has the added attraction of a suppressor which cannot unscrew ... and most important, both all the mags (20, 25, 32, 40, 72 and 100-round) and the gun itself are 100% reliable.

I had the M11/9 STEn converted in the hopes that the mags would be more reliable, but they weren't, and also were a PITA to load. Plus every time I took the M11/9 to the range, something broke. (see my comments in this thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_22/213538_M11_owners__reliable_guns_.html). I got really tired of it, and didn't trust it enough to let newbies shoot it. So it sat in the safe for years.

When the Lage upper came out, I tried one ... and realized that for another couple of $k, I could have a gun that duplicates what I have already in my Uzi. Yes, Lage-d M11/9's are a couple of pounds lighter than the Uzi, but the weight doesn't bother me.

So rather than turn my M11/9 into a second Uzi, I sold it. Haven't looked back yet.

YMMV, and probably does.

I sold one of my cars to buy a Mac 11. I loved that car but it was gonna lose value. Forget the boat or the motorcycle. FA is the way to go, you won't regret it.

I'd rather fire my MP5s and TSMG, so the other subguns (M11/9, Uzi, M2 carbine) just sit

Here's my mileage varying...

For $2,500 less, I found I could have a gun (Max-11 with 22 rimfire kit) that would be more than the Uzi could ever hope to be. Better stock, better ergos, more sight options, 100% reliable.

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