can someone send me pics of a stripped M16 lower?

Ive looked high and low for pics that show in detail the inside of a bare bone M16 full auto lower but I cant seem to find a single photo of a stripped full auto lower. I found a thread on this sight that shows the entire weapon but no one shows the inside of there lower just the hole AR/M4/M16.

With having so few posts and asking about full auto photos people are going to think you are up to no good.

There are no lower receiver internal differences other than an extra hole for auto sear and lower 'shelf' under the rear upper receiver lug.

The internal dimensions are different at the rear of the receiver.


(photo from Quaterbore site)

Yes I can see how people might get the wrong idea. However Ive never seen a real full auto lower before and Im kind of curious to know what it looks like so I can get a better understanding of how it works. I am moving to AZ in a few weeks where registered full autos are legal. Trust me I know the NYS and federal machine gun laws and there nothing I would ever consider breaking! Ten years in prison and up to a $225,000 fine don't seem like a hole lot of fun. I bought a slide fire stock they really work very well there NY legal and they don't cost 10K, I can bump fire 900RPM all day right from the shoulder. I can make nice tight groups at 50 yards. The best part about it is Im not going to go to prison for the use of recoil.

I'm sure plenty of people on here have pics, but I don't see how pics of the inside of a stripped receiver are gonna help you understand function. Search on YouTube if you want to see more on function, there are some cg animations that describe function pretty well.

...only 25k off, it's $250,000.00 fine.

OK no matter what I say I see where this question is going. Never mind the pics Ill just wait till I move and go threw the process of legally obtaining my own FA lower.

We now know you do not own a factory M16.

OP:

Do not have a stripped one but this gives a good look:

RenegadeX - you need to clean that baby!

That is one nice pic RenegadeX! I can see just how it works now. I do have a few question, is this one of the factory made FA receivers or is it the mill and drill kind?? What purpose does the ledge that the auto sear is sitting on serve? Do all FA lowers have that ledge?.

That looks like a factory Colt to me.

BTW, the autosear is not sitting on the ledge –– instead, the ledge is left when the receiver wall is milled away during factory machining to allow room for the autosear to rotate on its axis pin.

Gene Stoner wanted the receiver to be as strong as possible, so he left the walls as thick as possible where there was clearance. Don't think of it as a wrap-around "box" to contain the fire-control parts; instead, think of it as starting with a solid block, removing just enough material to allow trouble-free movement of the FC components.

What Tony says.

Here is another more topside view (and yes, a dirty gun is a happy gun):

You don't know chit my friend.

The OP was seeking general knowledge regarding the differences in mechanical function, not machinists drawings to build a lower receiver. For all intents and purposes the differences in function are not inherent to the receiver but rather to the parts within; with the main exception of the pivot pin hole for the autosear.

Still wrong, but at least you are consistent.

I have a new stripped Group Ind. SS that is sitting in the safe. I can snap some pics for you tonight. It looks a little different than a factory Colt because more of the rear shelf is milled out.

I guess I am just dumb or something, but how does seeing how the inside of the receiver is milled out help you understand how the full auto fire control group functions?

Cell phone pics. Best I can do at the moment.

And then we have things like the Plum Crazy plastic lowers...wonder what Stoner would think of those!

sig-x VERY NICE!!! Looks brand new that ones a lot different inside. What does a milled out one like that one cost? Is this the wrong section to ask how I would start the process of buying a registered FA lower? Can the state of AZ say no to me? Ive lived in NY all my life Ive stayed out of trouble (for the most part) I legally own many many firearms already how do I go about transferring all my guns to the state of AZ?

M16 is not full auto. Just saying.

Go to the NFA section of the site, and they can answer all these kinds of questions.

I would consider burst to be automatic fire. Besides, if you've got a gun that can legally fire burst (registered receiver, etc), it's a trivial $60 FCG swap to have non-burst, full auto fire.

Ummm, okay. My M16 is full auto, straight from the factory that way. What M16 are you talking about?

M16, M16A1, M16A3 and M4A1 are all full auto.
M16A2, M16A4 and M4 are 3rd Burst.

So what exactly are you "just saying"?

You missed one.

True. I missed the XM177 series too.

I have a full MIL-SPEC 3D model available for download here.

The people on this thread who immediately start to criticize with their "its illegal to modify an ar-15" crap really annoy me. We can talk about how to do it all day long, we can post pictures, diagrams, exchange advice, whatever you want because knowledge is not illegal. It's not illegal to talk about something it's only illegal to do it. Stop self-censorng and let others worry about being the thought police.

What is even more annoying is the folks who can't read or obey the rules of this forum (posted here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_23/199936_.html). Specifically the part that says:


No questions about or discussion of anything illegal.

This means no questions like:

"Where do I drill the hole for the auto disconnector?"
"What parts are needed to convert my AR15 to an M16?"
"If I file off my sear, will my AR15 run full-auto?"

PLEASE do not try the "I would never do this, I just want to know how it's done" routine.

Also prohibited are links to other web sites that publish information on illegal conversions.



Whether you agree or disagree it is their house so it is their rules.

Thanks but I'm not sure where you can find a new stripped lower these days. All Colts came from the factory fully assembled and most conversions already have parts installed. Its not much different than a semi receiver except for the milled out back half of the receiver to allow the GI sear to move freely and of course the GI sear hole.

Just take them to AZ I don't believe AZ has firearm registration. Make a post in the Hometown AZ section and ask to be sure.

+1.

This is a privately owned web site. Follow the rules, or go elsewhere.

Sure, it is annoying when someone checks in telling you something is illegal when you already know that and had no ill intent, or you are an 07/02 like me and can legally do it.

But what you do not realize, because you are new here, is years ago this pretty much was a "knowledge is not illegal" forum. And guess what? 99% of the posts were asking how to do something illegal, with the caveat of just looking "for knowledge". In other words, the forum was a joke, and there was little useful knowledge being passed around.

Then Tony and David came in and cleaned things up, put in a few rules, and now this is a useful forum.

the forum was a joke, and there was little useful knowledge being passed around.

Then Tony and David came in and cleaned things up, put in a few rules, and now this is a useful forum.

This place is a joke! There is very little new knowledge that gets passed on. It is mostly "become a team member and then you can use our uber-awesome search feature...." I dont know tony or david. There is way too many nazi's here. any time a short barrel, m16 bcg, ar pistol, smoke grenade, ATF tech letter is mentioned or even has the possibility of being brought up, some asshole has to chime in with "don't forget your stamp first" or it's not illegal per say, but I wouldn't want to do it because you can get charged with constructive intent! This place is filled with a bunch of terrified sheeple! I only stay here because of the EE, when my shit's up at the end of September, Im moving on!

Edit to add: So maybe I should not post while I am intoxicated.... I retract my statements and formally apoligize to you guys. my bad guys, I'm sorry. I will try to keep my drunk postings to GD

Let not the door hit thee, where the Lord hath split thee.

Baa-aa-aa

Why wait till then? If you hate this place so much, you can log off and never have to come back.

There might be a large amount of repeat questions. That happens with any online site. There might be a number of the "use the search functions" that gets posted in GD, but I've seen a number of members answer the same questions, over, and over, and over, just because they are willing to help. You might see people say something about a tax stamp, or maybe that an item might be illegal, but in the NFA section, there is very little of that. I'm sure you'll just label me as another nazi, which is fine, you've already made up your mind about people here.

Buh bye.....

Except its a got a little bit go before its mil-spec.

Just wanted to thank everyone for there photos there advice and the links. Im in Town of Clarkdale county of Yavapai in the State of AZ where full auto is legal! Ive already started looking at a Colt M16 A2's I saved 15K to buy a FA M16 while I was still living in NY now all I have to do is start the registering process. I do have another question about old m16 lowers. I couldn't wait to own a M16 and in the process of trying to find one I found these... https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/97/products_id/2131 There Colt M16A1 Crushed Demilled Receivers. The receivers were only $15 so I bought one. It is crushed but every piece to the receiver was in the bag that it came in and it went back together really easy. By back together I DON'T mean you can pop a mag in the thing and start blasting I simply mean you can see what it looked like before it was crushed and can read all the engraving as well as the serial number. If I were to have the serial number ran on a crushed FA lower what would the number come back as?

1. You will have to start the transfer process, not the registering process. You have to buy and have transfered to you an M16 that was already registered before May 19, 1986. That was the cutoff date for civilians to register machineguns.

2. There is no way for you to "run the serial number". ATF will only give info to the person transferring or receiving the gun.

3. Even if ATF would allow you to run the serial number, the crushed receiver you have was more than like an ex-military gun and they were never in the registry, so there would be no info to give you.

I would have to agree that the ATF will not give any information on the MG. However the part in red is wrong, it is in the registry, it has to be since it was most likely manufactered and registered using a Form 2.

All the Machine Guns made before 19 May 1986 are in the registry and eligible to be transfered to Civilians, even the MIlitary ones (but they never will). However the DoD policy to dispose of them are the following two ways, they transfer them to a Police Department or other LE Agency for LE use only OR they demil them.

No sir. When Colt or FN makes M16's under contract for the US military they are not and were not put in the NFA registry.

Correct.

Yep, to paraphrase the NFA, only firearms not in the possession or under the control of the United States are required to be registered. Technically non-.mil federal agencies are not required to be registered, either.

Just state-level or below political entities and privately-owned stuff is required to be in the registry.

Okay I learn something new.

My assumption was thinking along the lines that since I remember reading that every Flash Bang that LE uses/has is in the registry so were all the MG the Military has.

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