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What rifle? What caliber?
11/29/2011 7:32:24 PM
I've never owned a 50 BMG or similar rifle, but am thinking about it. I am also wondering about Barretts 416 as opposed to the 50. Surely someone with experience
has some advice on this subject. I would probably consider a single shot or mag fed bolt action.
Thanks,
WKM
has some advice on this subject. I would probably consider a single shot or mag fed bolt action.
Thanks,
WKM
11/29/2011 7:36:00 PM
I would buy .5 just because ammo will be around forever...
11/29/2011 8:03:28 PM
The 416 is an oddball caliber. Not as common as the .50. Ammo & components are gonna be high priced. Have to agree with PDshooter.
11/30/2011 6:49:42 PM
You get the option of a wide variety of projectiles with a 50.
Not so with a 416...
Not so with a 416...
11/30/2011 8:21:22 PM
416? Be prepared to pay out the wazoo for ammo and reloading components that you can only get from Barrett. Stick with .50 stuff
11/30/2011 8:59:09 PM
Another big gun is the .460 Steyr, it is an awsome round. Shoots a 525gr bullet about 2900fps. I got to do the shooting and testing to come up with the load used at AAA-AMMO for the .460 Steyr when Steyr sent them a rifle for developing new ammo for the .460 Steyr. Uses a .50BMG case cut down about 1/2" and put through an 8 step sizing process. Uses 50BMG powder and has less recoil than a .50BMG but plenty of POWER down range.
Ed
Ed
12/1/2011 3:35:33 AM
I would also stay with the 50 better bullet options, much cheaper to shoot, easy to find components if you reload. 416 is great if you live in Kali were they made 50s illegal for private ownership, the 416 shoots flatter, and has similar energy to a 50 but all the parts have to come from Barret which means you get to pay through the nose for them.
12/1/2011 10:45:31 AM
Originally Posted By RogueSpear2023:
I would also stay with the 50 better bullet options, much cheaper to shoot, easy to find components if you reload. 416 is great if you live in Kali were they made 50s illegal for private ownership, the 416 shoots flatter, and has similar energy to a 50 but all the parts have to come from Barret which means you get to pay through the nose for them.
I would also stay with the 50 better bullet options, much cheaper to shoot, easy to find components if you reload. 416 is great if you live in Kali were they made 50s illegal for private ownership, the 416 shoots flatter, and has similar energy to a 50 but all the parts have to come from Barret which means you get to pay through the nose for them.
RougeSpear
Unless something has changed there is the 50DTC which is basically a 50BMG with a modified chamber and the 50BMG shell blown out with sharper shoulder angles. Uses the same bullet and maybe a few more grains, but dont quote me on the powder charge. So the 50 DTC is a possibility for the Kali folks.
12/1/2011 11:42:02 AM
Originally Posted By Max-Paul:
RougeSpear
Unless something has changed there is the 50DTC which is basically a 50BMG with a modified chamber and the 50BMG shell blown out with sharper shoulder angles. Uses the same bullet and maybe a few more grains, but dont quote me on the powder charge. So the 50 DTC is a possibility for the Kali folks.
Originally Posted By RogueSpear2023:
I would also stay with the 50 better bullet options, much cheaper to shoot, easy to find components if you reload. 416 is great if you live in Kali were they made 50s illegal for private ownership, the 416 shoots flatter, and has similar energy to a 50 but all the parts have to come from Barret which means you get to pay through the nose for them.
I would also stay with the 50 better bullet options, much cheaper to shoot, easy to find components if you reload. 416 is great if you live in Kali were they made 50s illegal for private ownership, the 416 shoots flatter, and has similar energy to a 50 but all the parts have to come from Barret which means you get to pay through the nose for them.
RougeSpear
Unless something has changed there is the 50DTC which is basically a 50BMG with a modified chamber and the 50BMG shell blown out with sharper shoulder angles. Uses the same bullet and maybe a few more grains, but dont quote me on the powder charge. So the 50 DTC is a possibility for the Kali folks.
Yep, new .50bmg RIFLES are the only .50 banned in CA....M2HB beltfed, and any other .50 cals are fine.
.50DTC is an easy two step conversion (trim 1/10" and resize with DTC die) The DTC cartridge has a bit more capacity after fireforming and is basically the ballistic equivalent of .50BMG using all the same components.
12/1/2011 10:58:27 PM
Very good information ! Thanks to all who responded or will respond.
WKM
WKM
12/3/2011 4:38:35 AM
Originally Posted By Max-Paul:
RougeSpear
Unless something has changed there is the 50DTC which is basically a 50BMG with a modified chamber and the 50BMG shell blown out with sharper shoulder angles. Uses the same bullet and maybe a few more grains, but dont quote me on the powder charge. So the 50 DTC is a possibility for the Kali folks.
Originally Posted By RogueSpear2023:
I would also stay with the 50 better bullet options, much cheaper to shoot, easy to find components if you reload. 416 is great if you live in Kali were they made 50s illegal for private ownership, the 416 shoots flatter, and has similar energy to a 50 but all the parts have to come from Barret which means you get to pay through the nose for them.
I would also stay with the 50 better bullet options, much cheaper to shoot, easy to find components if you reload. 416 is great if you live in Kali were they made 50s illegal for private ownership, the 416 shoots flatter, and has similar energy to a 50 but all the parts have to come from Barret which means you get to pay through the nose for them.
RougeSpear
Unless something has changed there is the 50DTC which is basically a 50BMG with a modified chamber and the 50BMG shell blown out with sharper shoulder angles. Uses the same bullet and maybe a few more grains, but dont quote me on the powder charge. So the 50 DTC is a possibility for the Kali folks.
I thought I remembered hearing Barret created the 416 over the Kali issue, I could be wrong though. I realize there are other rounds the you can use in Kali.
12/6/2011 11:04:45 PM
Get a 50 BMG. All those ballistic comparisons you see between a 416 Barrett and a 50 BMG are rigged. A 50 BMG with heavy match bullets is neck and neck with a 416.
They rig the test by using VLD match bullets with the 416 and then using surplus ball in the 50 BMG. Apples to Apples, the 50 BMG wins, and the 50 BMG has cheaper ammo available, lots more bullets, and surplus bullets that burn and punch holes in stuff.
My vote is 50 BMG, if a guy is looking for a big caliber rifle.
Now if you want something more practical, go with a 338 Lapua. It'll do anything you need to do out to 1500 yards, more accurately than a 50 BMG in most cases, at less cost, with less recoil, and you can shoot it at almost any range. Oh yeah...the ammo is about $1.50/round to handload but factory costs $6/round.
-David
Edgewood, NM
They rig the test by using VLD match bullets with the 416 and then using surplus ball in the 50 BMG. Apples to Apples, the 50 BMG wins, and the 50 BMG has cheaper ammo available, lots more bullets, and surplus bullets that burn and punch holes in stuff.
My vote is 50 BMG, if a guy is looking for a big caliber rifle.
Now if you want something more practical, go with a 338 Lapua. It'll do anything you need to do out to 1500 yards, more accurately than a 50 BMG in most cases, at less cost, with less recoil, and you can shoot it at almost any range. Oh yeah...the ammo is about $1.50/round to handload but factory costs $6/round.
-David
Edgewood, NM
12/9/2011 7:04:29 PM
Alrighty !!! Thanks loads to all who responded !!!
WKM
WKM
12/10/2011 10:16:11 PM
Just curious about the .416 Barrett, can one load projectiles intended for the .416 Rigby? Seems bullets would be fairly easy to source, cases might be harder to locate obviously.
12/10/2011 11:50:03 PM
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Just curious about the .416 Barrett, can one load projectiles intended for the .416 Rigby? Seems bullets would be fairly easy to source, cases might be harder to locate obviously.
Just curious about the .416 Barrett, can one load projectiles intended for the .416 Rigby? Seems bullets would be fairly easy to source, cases might be harder to locate obviously.
I don't know of any 416 Rigby bullets that are the VLD design. They're mostly Round Nose type dangerous game bullets. Sucky for long range use.
-David
12/11/2011 6:14:57 AM
Originally Posted By nmmi9100:
I don't know of any 416 Rigby bullets that are the VLD design. They're mostly Round Nose type dangerous game bullets. Sucky for long range use.
-David
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Just curious about the .416 Barrett, can one load projectiles intended for the .416 Rigby? Seems bullets would be fairly easy to source, cases might be harder to locate obviously.
Just curious about the .416 Barrett, can one load projectiles intended for the .416 Rigby? Seems bullets would be fairly easy to source, cases might be harder to locate obviously.
I don't know of any 416 Rigby bullets that are the VLD design. They're mostly Round Nose type dangerous game bullets. Sucky for long range use.
-David
Good point, I suppose one could load some somewhat cheap short range ammo for it then... The Rigby rounds i've messed with have been good to roughly 300m, the limit of the gun and it's express sight irons.
12/12/2011 12:29:19 PM
Originally Posted By PDshooter:
I would buy .5 just because ammo will be around forever...
I would buy .5 just because ammo will be around forever...
Yup
