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Receiving a rifle and swapping parts
10/19/2011 9:45:28 AM
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
10/19/2011 11:50:41 AM
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
10/19/2011 12:01:07 PM
Originally Posted By semperfiws6:
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
10/19/2011 12:55:59 PM
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Originally Posted By semperfiws6:
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Yes that is what I am asking, but the 07 was not the original seller.
Does the 07 need to do anything as far as log it in, include it on the manufacturing report, etc?
Thanks.
10/19/2011 1:40:27 PM
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Originally Posted By semperfiws6:
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
10/19/2011 2:29:46 PM
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
*sigh*
Anyone may ship a firearm directly to any FFL, anywhere in the United States. Dealer/mfg/importer does not matter.
An FFL who received a firearm from a non-licensee may return that firearm directly to the non-licensee anywhere in the United States, without using another FFL, provided it wasn't received from the non-licensee as part of a sale or consignment.
To be very specifically clear, both for the OP and you, 1911roben:
You can ship a firearm to any FFL to have work done on it, anywhere in the US, and get it back from that FFL without using an FFL in your state to receive it back.
A NICS check and FFL involvement is only required where a transfer of ownership has taken place, as in a sale or consignment.
10/19/2011 2:36:23 PM
Originally Posted By Circuits:
*sigh*
Anyone may ship a firearm directly to any FFL, anywhere in the United States. Dealer/mfg/importer does not matter.
An FFL who received a firearm from a non-licensee may return that firearm directly to the non-licensee anywhere in the United States, without using another FFL, provided it wasn't received from the non-licensee as part of a sale or consignment.
To be very specifically clear, both for the OP and you, 1911roben:
You can ship a firearm to any FFL to have work done on it, anywhere in the US, and get it back from that FFL without using an FFL in your state to receive it back.
A NICS check and FFL involvement is only required where a transfer of ownership has taken place, as in a sale or consignment.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
*sigh*
Anyone may ship a firearm directly to any FFL, anywhere in the United States. Dealer/mfg/importer does not matter.
An FFL who received a firearm from a non-licensee may return that firearm directly to the non-licensee anywhere in the United States, without using another FFL, provided it wasn't received from the non-licensee as part of a sale or consignment.
To be very specifically clear, both for the OP and you, 1911roben:
You can ship a firearm to any FFL to have work done on it, anywhere in the US, and get it back from that FFL without using an FFL in your state to receive it back.
A NICS check and FFL involvement is only required where a transfer of ownership has taken place, as in a sale or consignment.
What are the requirements as far as record keeping/mfg. reporting for the 07?
10/19/2011 3:41:26 PM
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Originally Posted By semperfiws6:
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Not a dealer are you?
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/brady-law.html#repair-transfer
Q: A firearm is delivered to a licensee by an unlicensed individual for the purpose of repair. Is the return of the repaired firearm subject to the requirements of the Brady law? Would the transfer of a replacement firearm from the licensee to the owner of the damaged firearm be subject to the requirements of the Brady law?
Neither the transfer of a repaired firearm nor the transfer of a replacement firearm would be subject to the requirements of the Brady law. Furthermore, the regulations provide that a Form 4473 is not required to cover these transactions. However, the licensee’s permanent acquisition and disposition records should reflect the return of the firearm or the transfer of a replacement firearm.
[27 CFR 478.124-25]
Neither the transfer of a repaired firearm nor the transfer of a replacement firearm would be subject to the requirements of the Brady law. Furthermore, the regulations provide that a Form 4473 is not required to cover these transactions. However, the licensee’s permanent acquisition and disposition records should reflect the return of the firearm or the transfer of a replacement firearm.
[27 CFR 478.124-25]
10/19/2011 3:42:35 PM
Originally Posted By semperfiws6:
What are the requirements as far as record keeping/mfg. reporting for the 07?
What are the requirements as far as record keeping/mfg. reporting for the 07?
Same as with any other firearm he receives.
The licensee records both aquisition and disposition in his bound book.
10/19/2011 4:36:25 PM
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
No offense, but you don't understand it correctly - not even close
10/20/2011 11:33:19 AM
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Originally Posted By semperfiws6:
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
And, just how do you think ADCO goes about receiving firearms from customers for barrel threading or permanent attachment of muzzle devices? You've been here 8 years and still don't understand that basic process?
10/20/2011 11:40:39 AM
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Originally Posted By semperfiws6:
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
I know that no form is needed to return the gun to the FFL it was purchased from, but what is the procedure for sending in a rifle to an 07 who was not the seller? Cant seem to find the answer this morning on their website.
Are you asking if you can ship a gun for repair and have it returned directly to you without having to complete a 4473 & NICS? If so, YES you can.
The proceduure is: Box up the gun, pay the fee, ship gun, wait.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
This is the way I understand the law: Within your own State of residence you can do a face to face transfer to the 07. You cannot mail it, but you can F2F transfer to a local dealer who can mail it to the 07 no matter what State he is in. (As long as it is a legal firearm in that State.)
Absolutely, positively, not anything of the sort in Federal law.
Firearms are mailed and shipped every day directly from owner to manufacturer and back to the owner. Many manufacturers will even send you a prepaid shipping label.
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Please show me in the federal regulations where it says this. Your opinion is flat out wrong.
10/20/2011 12:12:15 PM
Originally Posted By Circuits:
*sigh*
Anyone may ship a firearm directly to any FFL, anywhere in the United States. Dealer/mfg/importer does not matter.
An FFL who received a firearm from a non-licensee may return that firearm directly to the non-licensee anywhere in the United States, without using another FFL, provided it wasn't received from the non-licensee as part of a sale or consignment.
To be very specifically clear, both for the OP and you, 1911roben:
You can ship a firearm to any FFL to have work done on it, anywhere in the US, and get it back from that FFL without using an FFL in your state to receive it back.
A NICS check and FFL involvement is only required where a transfer of ownership has taken place, as in a sale or consignment.
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
Thanks for correcting me, but to be clear the OP is not talking about sending it to the "manufacturer," he is talking about sending it to a random 07 FFL.
OP: Do as you wish - but in my "opinion" you are not allowed to do as you suggested in your original post. (That is, you are not allowed to send your firearm off via common carrier to an 07 FFL that was not the original manufacturer for "alteration or repair" and expect to have it returned directly to you via common carrier.) If the 07 FFL you are planning to use is in your current state of residence then you can deliver it F2F and pick it back up without a NICS check, I believe.
*sigh*
Anyone may ship a firearm directly to any FFL, anywhere in the United States. Dealer/mfg/importer does not matter.
An FFL who received a firearm from a non-licensee may return that firearm directly to the non-licensee anywhere in the United States, without using another FFL, provided it wasn't received from the non-licensee as part of a sale or consignment.
To be very specifically clear, both for the OP and you, 1911roben:
You can ship a firearm to any FFL to have work done on it, anywhere in the US, and get it back from that FFL without using an FFL in your state to receive it back.
A NICS check and FFL involvement is only required where a transfer of ownership has taken place, as in a sale or consignment.
Thank you (all) for the correction. Noted!
