Lightest, handiest, non-sbr 9mm PCC

What would be the lightest and handiest of the non-nfa PCCs?

I actually handled a Colt 6450 the other day and was surprised at how it felt. It was heavier than I'd imagined, especially with that pencil thin barrel.

The lightest 16" 9mm?

Maybe the KelTec Sub2000. Or whatever they're calling it these days.

That was the first one that came to my mind.

The Beretta Storm is a bit heavier (and considerably more $$$), but it is a very handy size and a joy to shoot.

The Marlin Camp Carbine restocked with a synthetic folder isn't bad at all, but (1) they are hard to find these days and (2) they weren't rated for +P ammo.

Then there is the Hi-Point carbine. Yes, I said Hi-Point. Ugly as sin (IMHO) and mags are proprietary and have limited capacity, but they are very cheap and (surprisingly) very reliable.

Most of the others out there (AR variants, H&K clones, Ruger PC-9, etc.) are going to be bigger/heavier/etc.

You could also try the Ruger PC9. It reminds me of an up-scaled 10/22, 16 1/4" Barrel, takes Ruger pistol mags.

I have heard good things about this rifle, and have wanted one myself as well, just need to find one in my price range.

FWIW, you can also get this rifle in 40 S&W as well.

ETA: Didnt see it listed in HardShell's list at first

Yeah, the OP specified "light" and the PC-9 is heavier than most of the others I mentioned... but it feels solid as a rock and, due in part to the weight, has negligible perceived recoil. I wanted one for years (PCC fan that I am) and finally came across a good deal on one just last year. I love the thing, personally but, like most Rugers, it's arguably overbuilt/overly heavy for what it is.

I had the .40 cal version with the ghost ring sights. You are right, over built....but I liked that. If I would have bought it in 9mm, I would probably still own it now. If they were still in production, I would seriously consider buying one in 9 this time.

I actually put a little scope on mine, and it would shoot great.

I've got one in .40SW. Yes, it is built like a brick shithouse and tips the scales accordingly. I've stuck a red dot on it and it munches through any ammo I give it like a fat kid through Jolly Ranchers. Chomp, chomp, chomp. Never had a hang-up since I bought it new almost a decade ago. That being said, along with the high weight, it also has fairly limited magazine capacity. Has anyone ever gotten their hands on one of Masterpiece Arms M11 knock-offs set up as a carbine? I know the MAC-10 clones they make are heavy, but they're also a larger gun. I've never been behind the trigger of one, but I've heard repeatedly that they are as reliable as a good dog.

I had the Leinad/Cobray carbine and it was a dog... and a heavy one at that.

I understand that the MPAs enjoy a better reputation, but I haven't shot one. I did shoot one of their 9mm FAL/AR hybrid monstrosities and it was a hoot... and, again, a very heavy one.

marlin camp 9

The Beretta CX4 is pretty light, however the options it gives you can make it a very nice PCC. PX mag models can get reliable 20rd mags, however 92 type magwell inserts can yield 30rd results (unknown reliability of said 30rd mags). Top rail is good for a red dot and perhaps an offset light mount, however many of the CX4s I've seen have a TLR-1/2/3 or X300 on the extendable rail below the barrel. You can also put a Tango Stubby VFG on it if you have the optional U shape Tri-Rail for it which mounts and is held on by the 2 side-rails. Accurate––––I can smash Gatorade bottles at 50yd with it. Recoil is not at all bad, and brass isn't un-reloadable. I cannot recall a single failure out of my CX4.

I have (2) AR's in 9mm, also a Beretta Storm, a Marlin 9 Camp, and had a High Point.

For the money the High Point is actually a nice rifle. THe Beretta is a great size and a nice firearm but more $$$.

The Marlin Model 9 Camp rifle is a well made firearm. It can handle +P but it needs the recoil spring upgraded and you have to keep a good aftermarket buffer in it. They can be found for reasonable prices. Beware the ones that got run without a buffer in them, they crack the stock and beat up the internals.

Definitely not a Suomi.....

Another vote for the Beretta - though I haven't shot or owned a Keltec or Highpoint. For me it's worth the extra $$$$ to not own a Keltec or Highpoint.

My Storm is exceptionally accurate, 100% reliable, and very comfortable / fun to shoot.

Only drawback I can think of is that it certainly doesn't have the best trigger in the world.

Lots of MP5 clone makers here and there. This one is a Coharie, and works great:

Very light weight, and handy. Out of production, but they're around at decent prices. Other Mfg's are making them as well. Very cheap to shoot, and a real gas!

Lightest and handiest?
I'm gonna go with the KelTec SUB2000.

IIRC, it 4lbs unloaded.

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Those are like 7 or 8 lbs and as long as a 16" barrel AR-15 in a real caliber.

I don't see anything light and handy about them.


The lightest and shortest non SBR PCC is going to be the Keltec or a glock carbine conversion.



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Yes. I think you, Hardshell, and I were the only ones who read the OP.

I have the same hk clone posted as well as a rra 9mm rifle with a 16" barrel. the clone is lighter and handier .

ca94fs hk clone- 6.4 lbs overall length 34.6"

Rra 9mm - 7.1lb overall length 36"

Kel tec Sub 2000 - 4lbs , 29.5

I looked into buying a keltec before but passed after handling one. They are cheaper and lighter then the other 2 but thats about it . The hk clone has almost no recoil and is very accurate. The rra is also very accurate with little recoil but is kinda large.

No, I think not Echo. The Beretta is about 5.5 lbs or so unoaded with a length of about 30". Pretty "handy" indeed. I think the remainder of us dullards read it too. Nice internet-pump on Hardshell though.

My vote is for the Keltec.

I find that the recoil is minimal despite what many have posted.
Reliability has been 100% so far with standard glock mags, 9mm.
I also find it to be more than accurate enough for pistol distances of less than 100 yards.
It folds into an incredibly small package.

The down side is no good way to put a red dot on the top without taking away the folder ability.

I purchased mine used for less than 300 and can't see ever selling it.
It's cheap, it works and I don't care if it gets banged up.

I have a Mech-Tech conversion and it is markedly heavier than the Keltec.

I have seen those pics before and it is a great idea.
The problem is I am a righty and one of my son's is a lefty.
I try to keep all my stuff as ambi as possible.

When I saw those pics the first time I kept thinking there should be some way to make a swing in mount
that returns to minute of bad guy with a simple clip and hinge setup. It doesn't have to drive tacks, just stay
in the sweet spot.

While mine is modified to be fixed/offset, what you describe is really close to what the factory mount does –– it is "hinged" in that it mounts around the barrel and is spring-loaded to deploy to top/center when the SUB is unfolded, then fold back away to one side when you fold the carbine for storage. If you can live with rings instead of a rail, it might be worth trying the OEM rig. Just a thought.

Another vote for the kel tec they are just handy for what I need

Cant get much smaller than a skorpion...

I know it's NFA but it is worth it. :)

It's also not 9mm

what about the feather industries at-9

I know they aren't mainstream, but the Calico 9mms are pretty light, at least until loaded.

plus you can look like you were in Space Balls when you shoot it. pew pew.

Isn't that the 22 version?

Problem is getting any customer service or maintenance.

Heard too many problems with MP5 clone gun owners complaining of service.

And HK is not open to licensing clones from their recent lawsuit and settlement against GSG.

Uzi.

The Uzi is a chunky monkey compared to othe PCC's.

The OP asked for "lightest, handiest...". Without a magazine, my standard Uzi weighs in at about ten pounds and my mini Uzi is seven...........about twice the weight of a Kel Tec Sub 2000.

Now, if he had asked for best quality.......

Next question

what about a ar pistol in 9mm? it seems 10-12" barrel maximises factory 9mm ammo. now with handloads thats a different story. power pistol in a 9mm carbine works wonders. easy 100-200ft/sec gain in the lighter bullets.

What about a Wiselite Sterling, they are nothing more than a tube, barrel, and a mag. The stock folds under and forward so you can shoot it like a pistol and they are just cool looking (history factor is good too with them being used by the British for years). They do beg to be made into a SBR, then the coolness factor jumps up again. Best of luck in your search, Glocker99

How about the EMF JR Carbine?
I've never shot one, but a guy at the local gun shop has, and he swears by them. He said it's lightweight, reliable, and takes AR accessories. It comes in 9, 40Sw & 45.

http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/J-R-CARBINE-c283.htm

HE JUST SHOT MY HAIR!!!

The Thureon Defense carbines are pretty neat.

I'd think an AR-15, 9 mm upper with 16" light weight profile barrel on a Cav Arms or Plum Crazy lower and a mag adapter block would be pretty light. I have an AR-15, 9 mm upper with 16" M4 profile barrel on a DPMS lower with M4 collapsible stock and VM-HyTech adapter block, and that that setup only weighs 7 lbs.

Best of luck whatever you decide.

Not legal advice, MHO, YMMV, etc.

They are ugly but a Hi-Point 9mm or 40cal carbine is light at 5.75lbs.

He didn't say pretty, he asked for light.

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