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Can somone help me identify this Garand? (Pic Heavy)
5/13/2012 4:28:43 PM
Can anyone give me some info on this M1 Garand i picked up? I bought it from a gentleman selling of some of his gun collection. He is 79 and does not remember where or when he bought it, however he had never fired it himself.
The rifle had some cosmoline in the trigger group and the barrel was filthy with what im assuming to be cosmoline based off my experience with my other mil surplus rifles. The stock was very dark and appeared to have soaked up some oil or cosmoline, i refinished the stock and it came out alot better showing usage marks, however it is very smooth and mostly dent free.
I had to competely strip the thing down and replace the main recoil spring that was broken into 3 pieces. I took it out to the range and was blown away at the tight groups i was putting together at 50 yards right from the start.
What i have gathered so far is that the rifle is a H&R receiver (serial 4704xxx) and was made between 1953-1954. I also believe it is an M1D and it has S-A-10-52 stamped on the side of the barrel. It has a few other SA parts throughtout the rifle too.
Can anyone tell me anything else about this rifle? Also out of curiosity, its value? I really like this rifle
Thanks!
The rifle had some cosmoline in the trigger group and the barrel was filthy with what im assuming to be cosmoline based off my experience with my other mil surplus rifles. The stock was very dark and appeared to have soaked up some oil or cosmoline, i refinished the stock and it came out alot better showing usage marks, however it is very smooth and mostly dent free.
I had to competely strip the thing down and replace the main recoil spring that was broken into 3 pieces. I took it out to the range and was blown away at the tight groups i was putting together at 50 yards right from the start.
What i have gathered so far is that the rifle is a H&R receiver (serial 4704xxx) and was made between 1953-1954. I also believe it is an M1D and it has S-A-10-52 stamped on the side of the barrel. It has a few other SA parts throughtout the rifle too.
Can anyone tell me anything else about this rifle? Also out of curiosity, its value? I really like this rifle
Thanks!
5/13/2012 4:36:09 PM
It's interesting that it has 'lock-bar' sights on it. I would have thought the more modern rear sight assembly would have been on it. Nice SA marking on the side of the stock too; can you make out who's initials are below the SA?
5/13/2012 8:01:21 PM
You need to take it apart and check the barrel drawing # on the top, should be D7312555. From the pics I would say the barrel is right because the pin staking is right. But.....
Surplus M1D barrrels used to be very common. The recvr is very suspicious, check and make sure it isn't a welded one. Front and back should be H&R with no weld sign.
Without better more detailed pics it is hard to say.
May be $500 worth of parts or a $1200 garage build or a $2000 genuine M1d on H&R Recvr......
Surplus M1D barrrels used to be very common. The recvr is very suspicious, check and make sure it isn't a welded one. Front and back should be H&R with no weld sign.
Without better more detailed pics it is hard to say.
May be $500 worth of parts or a $1200 garage build or a $2000 genuine M1d on H&R Recvr......
5/14/2012 6:12:47 PM
Originally Posted By tangeant:
You need to take it apart and check the barrel drawing # on the top, should be D7312555. From the pics I would say the barrel is right because the pin staking is right. But.....
Surplus M1D barrrels used to be very common. The recvr is very suspicious, check and make sure it isn't a welded one. Front and back should be H&R with no weld sign.
Without better more detailed pics it is hard to say.
May be $500 worth of parts or a $1200 garage build or a $2000 genuine M1d on H&R Recvr......
You need to take it apart and check the barrel drawing # on the top, should be D7312555. From the pics I would say the barrel is right because the pin staking is right. But.....
Surplus M1D barrrels used to be very common. The recvr is very suspicious, check and make sure it isn't a welded one. Front and back should be H&R with no weld sign.
Without better more detailed pics it is hard to say.
May be $500 worth of parts or a $1200 garage build or a $2000 genuine M1d on H&R Recvr......
There barrel does say D7312555, could not get it to show that well in the pic.
5/14/2012 6:42:54 PM
Looks like a nice M1D, although it has no paperwork to confirm it is a real M1D and not a parts gun. It has a nice WWII Springfield stock on it which is nice, the finish is nice, and it has lockbar sights (it should have later sights if it is an M1D). You can request the CMP to do research in their archives to see if they sold it. If they did, and it's a real M1D, it's worth about $1500 in its condition. If they did not sell it as an M1D, it's only worth about $700-$800, or whatever someone is willing to pay. Looks like it'd make a nice shooter. How does the bore gauge?
5/14/2012 7:18:20 PM
From your photo showing the right receiver leg, and the drawing number (D28291 17) the receiver is a welded receiver. Commonly called a "reweld". A receiver that was made from welding two halves of demilled receviers back together. An HRA receiver should have been marked with any combination of 6528291, D-6528291, or D6528291 and letters J,L,P,Q,X,Y,AA,E. Though I think that with that early of serial number it should be D6528291.
If I were to keep the gun, I would seriously consider getting a stripped receiver from the CMP and rebuild it.
Also, what is the date on the side of the barrel?
If I were to keep the gun, I would seriously consider getting a stripped receiver from the CMP and rebuild it.
Also, what is the date on the side of the barrel?
5/14/2012 7:59:08 PM
Originally Posted By Sailormilan2:
From your photo showing the right receiver leg, and the drawing number (D28291 17) the receiver is a welded receiver. Commonly called a "reweld". A receiver that was made from welding two halves of demilled receviers back together. An HRA receiver should have been marked with any combination of 6528291, D-6528291, or D6528291 and letters J,L,P,Q,X,Y,AA,E. Though I link that with that early of serial number it should be D6528291.
If I were to keep the gun, I would seriously consider getting a stripped receiver from the CMP and rebuild it.
Also, what is the date on the side of the barrel?
From your photo showing the right receiver leg, and the drawing number (D28291 17) the receiver is a welded receiver. Commonly called a "reweld". A receiver that was made from welding two halves of demilled receviers back together. An HRA receiver should have been marked with any combination of 6528291, D-6528291, or D6528291 and letters J,L,P,Q,X,Y,AA,E. Though I link that with that early of serial number it should be D6528291.
If I were to keep the gun, I would seriously consider getting a stripped receiver from the CMP and rebuild it.
Also, what is the date on the side of the barrel?
It says S-A 10-52. Are you sure it is a reweld? Do you need any other pics to verify?
5/14/2012 8:21:35 PM
An HRA recvevier, with a serial number in the 4.70 million range, as is yours, should have the number D6528291 stamped onto the right leg. The D28291 17 number is a WW2 Springfield receiver number. You can look at the center sections of the receiver and see if there are maching marks that don't match the rest of the receiver. Usually in the Op Rod groove on the side of the receiver. There also might be a color difference seen through the parkerizing.
5/14/2012 8:34:54 PM
$500 worth of parts.
5/14/2012 8:41:56 PM
Ah i see. Well it shoots very well and i got an excellent deal on her. I will use this as an excuse to get another one now.. from the CMP
5/15/2012 12:17:10 AM
Originally Posted By Peace11uehman:
Ah i see. Well it shoots very well and i got an excellent deal on her. I will use this as an excuse to get another one now.. from the CMP
Ah i see. Well it shoots very well and i got an excellent deal on her. I will use this as an excuse to get another one now.. from the CMP
Good attitude and idea. Stripped Garand receivers are about $200 from the CMP too.
5/17/2012 10:10:41 PM
post more pics of the bottom of the receiver stripped. would like to see if its an obvious weld job
