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kami211  [Member]
3/29/2012 2:23:31 PM
I bought an Arsenal Inc SLR 107FR from CudaJimmy here that was advertised as NIB when I received it I noticed that a lot had been changed, way to much to consider it still "NIB."

First off I admit I should have scrutinized the picture, CudaJimmy has good feedback and had enough posts to not be suspicious but the rifle pictured is the rifle received so I could have saved myself some headache had I not been so hasty.

Here's what's wrong with the rifle that makes it not nearly "NIB"
1. all the US made Arsenal furniture was replaced with Russian furniture, making it 3 parts short of 922r compliance
2. the US made muzzle brake was replaced with a Russian brake
3. the top cover of the receiver also replaced with a Russian version
4. the big one, the rear 4.5mm sidefolder trunnion was removed and replaced with a Russian 5.5mm trunnion.
5. the back half of the gun was spray painted to cover up the new rivets for #4, paint was still sticky when I received it

The first 3 are minor but the 4th requires serious work and the work was not done very skillfully. The rivet work was amateurish at best and I don't think the rifle is safe to fire, also the back of the receiver was bowed slightly when he removed the original sidefolder trunnion.

I have emailed CudaJimmy and he said I would get a refund if I returned the rifle first. Like hell I'm going to return it and hope for a refund, I responded that when I got a refund the rifle would go back to his FFL. Up to that point he had been returning emails within a very short time, that is when they stopped and it has been 24 hours without a peep from him.

***ETA Emails***

Originally Emailed By Me:
Mar 27, 2012 11:00 PM
I picked up the rifle today from my local shop, I was excited to see it, less excited when I did see it, damn shame too it was a nice rifle you ruined.
You can mail the refund to the following address along with the FFL where you want it sent.

My address
xxxxxxxxxx
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Originally Emailed By CudaJimmy:
Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:20 AM
What the hell are you talking about? Ruined how?


Originally Emailed By Me:
Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:01 AM
You have a large collection and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't know the finite details of every piece and maybe someone foisted this on you before I bought it.
This rifle was definitely not "NIB" as advertised. The rear end had been torn apart and the Bulgarian 4.5mm trunion removed and replaced with what appears to be a Russian 5.5mm one. It was poorly riveted and the receiver was slightly tweaked in the process then spray painted over to not show the rivets in the white. All of the original furniture was replaced, it has a Russian buttstock and pistolgrip, the handguards are most likely Russian as well. The muzzle brake may be replaced as well it's usually a US made copy but this one is chrome lined has no Arsenal Inc markings. My favorite is the drill bit shank for a hinge pin, can still see where it says 7/32".


Originally Emailed By CudaJimmy:
Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Send it back and I'll refund your money sir.


Originally Emailed By Me:
Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM
I will send it back when I have the refund and FFL information in hand.



Here’s where there’s a gap in the conversation, CudaJimmy claims he emailed me an offer and I didn’t respond. I checked my spam folder and the conversation logged by Gmail and saw no trace of these emails. Moot point now that the offer has been rescinded.


Originally Emailed By Me:
Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_109/977998__1_for_CudaJimmy.html


Originally Emailed By CudaJimmy:
Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Well I guess you don't want to work it out then.











Gatorhunt  [Moderator]
3/29/2012 2:51:33 PM
Did you send him a link to this?
peligro113  [Team Member]
3/29/2012 3:26:24 PM
These are the one I would have an issue with:

4. the big one, the rear 4.5mm sidefolder trunnion was removed and replaced with a Russian 5.5mm trunnion.
5. the back half of the gun was spray painted to cover up the new rivets for #4, paint was still sticky when I received it

In the rifle in the picture seems to still have the side folder installed.
Norinco982lover  [Team Member]
3/29/2012 3:40:20 PM
was he aware that this was not a NIB gun?
peligro113  [Team Member]
3/29/2012 4:47:13 PM
Originally Posted By Norinco982lover:
was he aware that this was not a NIB gun?


from the ad

First up as the title states I'm selling a new in box Arsenal SLR107FR with 3 mags for $900 SHIPPED to FFL. This gun will be shipped in the original box with another box around that one. The box is not perfect, but it IS original. This gun is cross posted so first unconditional "I'll take it" FOLLOWED BY IM rules the day.

ARSENAL IS SOLD PENDING FUNDS
Norinco982lover  [Team Member]
3/29/2012 5:23:33 PM
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Originally Posted By Norinco982lover:
was he aware that this was not a NIB gun?


from the ad

First up as the title states I'm selling a new in box Arsenal SLR107FR with 3 mags for $900 SHIPPED to FFL. This gun will be shipped in the original box with another box around that one. The box is not perfect, but it IS original. This gun is cross posted so first unconditional "I'll take it" FOLLOWED BY IM rules the day.

ARSENAL IS SOLD PENDING FUNDS


I'm just saying, looking at the gun it appears original to me and maybe he bought it second hand "nib" and thought it was. Just asking. From the OP's post it isn't anywhere near an original NIB gun.
tenewel  [Team Member]
3/29/2012 5:36:45 PM
Originally Posted By Norinco982lover:
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Originally Posted By Norinco982lover:
was he aware that this was not a NIB gun?


from the ad

First up as the title states I'm selling a new in box Arsenal SLR107FR with 3 mags for $900 SHIPPED to FFL. This gun will be shipped in the original box with another box around that one. The box is not perfect, but it IS original. This gun is cross posted so first unconditional "I'll take it" FOLLOWED BY IM rules the day.

ARSENAL IS SOLD PENDING FUNDS


I'm just saying, looking at the gun it appears original to me and maybe he bought it second hand "nib" and thought it was. Just asking. From the OP's post it isn't anywhere near an original NIB gun.


Tacky paint would be an indicator that he knew.

bsmith918  [Team Member]
3/29/2012 7:35:46 PM
I'm pretty sure he is a ffl too. I remember him from a local site in Oklahoma where he was the FFL for a receiver group buy.
CudaJimmy  [Member]
3/29/2012 9:28:06 PM
I was sold the gun as NIB, and honestly I thought it was. I fondled it for a bit when I first got it, put it in the safe and forgot about it. I pretty much copy and pasted the ad from the one I bought it off of. If the gun is not NIB as I advertised, I except responsibility for that. I should have looked at it closer obviously. My first email from the buyer making me aware he wasn't happy was rude and offensive. I asked him what the hell he was talking about and he stated the issues he had with it. I was not sent pictures then or ever btw. I sent an email back and said I would refund the FULL PURCHASE PRICE after the rifle was shipped back. He sent a reply that he wanted a refund first. I sent another reply stating that I was not comfortable with this arrangement and I would refund HALF the money before, and the other half AFTER I got the rifle back. Never heard a single thing until he emailed me a link to this negative feedback. I sent him another email stating that I guess he didn't want to resolve the issue and never got a reply on that one either.

I have literally thousands of POSITIVE feedbacks on gunboards, carboards, ebay, and other places. Not one negative feedback from anyone. Ever.

Before he posted up this negative feedback I was willing to compromise with him on half the refund before, half after. Not now. If he wants to send the rifle back, I will refund the full purchase price. Not budging off that. Not now. It's been less than 36 hours since he made me aware he wasn't satisfied. If this feedback makes some of you decide you don't want to trade with me, your choice. I'm an honorable man with good intentions. I will still sleep fine.

Just remember. There are TWO sides to every story, and if you do your research, you'll find I have NEVER intentionally taken advantage of someone on an internet deal.
Semper fi
Gatorhunt  [Moderator]
3/29/2012 9:46:32 PM
I realize there is always two sides to each story that's why we are here, to hear your side and get this resolved.


What you have to understand is the confidence on both sides of this deal is gone now, due to that fact you guys have reached an impasse on the refund and return of the weapon, might I suggest using a middle man like myself or one of the other mods here to help get this undone with some semblance of confidence for both parties.
kami211  [Member]
3/30/2012 2:54:45 PM
Pics added, hard to get a clear shot of the bottom rivets but they are flat as pancakes and look like a lead slug shot onto a steel plate.
03PSD  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 9:52:09 PM
I hear what the Seller is saying but the OP is stating that there was still tacky paint covering the rivet job. The seller did not address this in his rebuttal. If there was tacky paint then we cannot beleive anything the seller says. I would encourage the seller to address this point. Either there was or there wasnt. No middle ground on this one.
Original_Copy  [Team Member]
3/31/2012 3:33:02 AM
seller already agreed to full refund.

no reason to focus on paint, stock or anything
Primary objective now is return and refund (or refund and return).

eta:
Gator wrote:
...using a middle man like Gator or one of the other mods here to help get this undone with some semblance of confidence for both parties.
kami211  [Member]
3/31/2012 6:02:00 PM
Originally Posted By 03PSD:
I hear what the Seller is saying but the OP is stating that there was still tacky paint covering the rivet job. The seller did not address this in his rebuttal. If there was tacky paint then we cannot beleive anything the seller says. I would encourage the seller to address this point. Either there was or there wasnt. No middle ground on this one.


Since CudaJimmy isn't doing much to defend himself I looked through his old posts on theakforum.net and found the ad from December where he did buy this gun from someone else in it's current state, he even used the other guys picture when he sold it to me. From looking at more of his posts he buy/sells/trades a lot and I was unfortunate to be the one who got someone else's lemon without him noticing. On the other hand my cynical side tells me that he has seen enough AK's to know something was off with this one and maybe that's why he didn't keep it very long.

Originally Posted By Original_Copy:
seller already agreed to full refund.

no reason to focus on paint, stock or anything
Primary objective now is return and refund (or refund and return).

eta:
Gator wrote:
...using a middle man like Gator or one of the other mods here to help get this undone with some semblance of confidence for both parties.


Gator's offer works for me, but with the lack of response from the seller it looks like I'm stuck with a large paperweight.
silverphoenix  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 7:35:19 AM
OP, no that is not NIB, but believe it or not, those are considered upgrades to many AK fanatics and worth much more than US made parts, although you do need to make it 922r compliant somehow!

From looking at the pictures, it looks like things were done properly.

The stock alone is worth around $250

Do your research––I think you may have come out with a bargain and I know you'd be able to sell it for the same price, if not for more.

This still does not clear the seller though for not recognizing the huge difference between that and a stock arsenal... And for misrepresenting the gun, although it seems this was unintentional.
reaper556  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 9:20:31 AM
Originally Posted By silverphoenix:
OP, no that is not NIB, but believe it or not, those are considered upgrades to many AK fanatics and worth much more than US made parts, although you do need to make it 922r compliant somehow!

From looking at the pictures, it looks like things were done properly.

The stock alone is worth around $250

Do your research––I think you may have come out with a bargain and I know you'd be able to sell it for the same price, if not for more.



922r bullshit aside I was drooling at the Russian parts count on that thing myself
Gatorhunt  [Moderator]
4/4/2012 12:56:00 AM
So where are we at on this?
kami211  [Member]
4/4/2012 2:12:19 AM
Originally Posted By Gatorhunt:
So where are we at on this?


nothing yet, I haven't emailed the seller lately since honestly I'd rather settle it in the open, last time he emailed me an offer it never made it to my inbox.

if he doesn't respond here soon I'm ready to sell it with full disclosure and move on.
johnreilly  [Team Member]
4/10/2012 7:33:10 AM
Any news on this?
eswift  [Team Member]
4/10/2012 10:28:09 AM
Originally Posted By johnreilly:
Any news on this?


well since the rifle is now posted fs in the ee, i think you can draw your own conclusion
Gatorhunt  [Moderator]
4/10/2012 10:34:19 AM

Originally Posted By eswift:
Originally Posted By johnreilly:
Any news on this?


well since the rifle is now posted fs in the ee, i think you can draw your own conclusion

OP what is going on? did the seller refuse to refund your money or did you decide to sell it on your own accord because it was just easier?
johnreilly  [Team Member]
4/10/2012 10:48:02 AM
Originally Posted By eswift:
Originally Posted By johnreilly:
Any news on this?


well since the rifle is now posted fs in the ee, i think you can draw your own conclusion


I realize it is now posted for sale, but how can I draw a conclusion from that? There are a million different scenarios that could have transpired between the OP and the seller.
SYSTEM  
4/25/2012 12:07:29 AM
No response from OP