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 Is the KSG coming to CA?
CLICKBANGBANG  [Team Member]
4/24/2011 6:56:33 PM EST
The Kel-tec shotgun that is coming out, will it be offered to us in Ca? What would keep it out? I'm not sure if the bullpup knocks it out. But being a shotgun vs a centerfire rifle, is the bullpup still go to go? Will the capacity of the 7+7+1 make it illegal. Also I'm not sure if Kel-tec will submit to get it sold here.

I'm really hoping it is going to be Ca legal and approved. If it proves itself as a good performing reliable shotgun, it would make a very interesting shotty.

Video included for those that haven't seen the KSG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W638QRLqUyc&feature=player_embedded



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operatorerror  [Team Member]
4/24/2011 7:56:57 PM EST

Mag capacity = 14. That's not too difficult to resolve.

I guess they could block the mag to hold 10, but is it worth it to Kel Tec? Perhaps an aftermarket fix to solve the issue?

eta Besides which it's scary looking. Maybe if they painted it pink.
Still_learning  [Member]
4/25/2011 6:39:14 PM EST
Actually, it has two separate and distinct, functionally different magazines which require a mechanical operation to activate (like reloading). Each magazine holds only 7 rounds. Should be no problem here.

It is not semiautomatic, so there should be no problem here, either.

The barrel is over 18" - no problem there.

The overall length exceeds 26", so no problem there.

You are reacting to how "wicked" it looks. It must be illegal if it looks wicked, right?

operatorerror  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 6:42:55 PM EST
The overall length is 26.1". Pretty sure that's GTG.

But yeah, you're right about the magazines. The Kel tec site specifically refers to them as two separate mags.
CrpMagnet122  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 11:08:29 PM EST
12020 (c) (1) PC

As used in this section, a "short-barreled shotgun" means
any of the following:
(A) A firearm which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed
shotgun shell and having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches
in length.
(B) A firearm which has an overall length of less than 26 inches
and which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(C) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an
overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less
than 18 inches in length.
(D) Any device which may be readily restored to fire a fixed
shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in
subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive.
(E) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to
convert a device into a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C),
inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in
subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, can be readily assembled if
those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same
person.
CLICKBANGBANG  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 8:19:48 AM EST
Thanks CrpMagnet122. That answers a few questions. Overall length and barrel length is ok. Does not mention anything about a bullpup stock here. Will the capacity limit have to be cut down for Ca to get the shotgun legally? Even though does not have a detachable mag.

Thanks for the info.
_Lord_Of_War_  [Member]
4/26/2011 11:27:40 AM EST
WOW... I want two... one in each color... I wonder if the guys I go hunting with would approve of it... lol...


hopefully someone doesn't try and ban this bad boy for us cali shooters...

Have the release a date for when it will be ready for shipping?

I found a place to pre-order it ... lol...

http://onlinegundealers.blogspot.com/2011/02/kel-tec-ksg-shotgun-for-sale-pre-order.html

MSRP $880 sounds like I'll at least try and grab on of these bad boys...
CrpMagnet122  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 6:24:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Thanks CrpMagnet122. That answers a few questions. Overall length and barrel length is ok. Does not mention anything about a bullpup stock here. Will the capacity limit have to be cut down for Ca to get the shotgun legally? Even though does not have a detachable mag.

Thanks for the info.


The magazine capacity should be fine. But, how I interpret the law and how the DOJ will interpret the law is usually two completely different things.
Paul  [Site Staff]
4/26/2011 7:44:20 PM EST
Don't recall rifles having to be submitted for safety testing.

Only handguns are certified or not based on submitting samples (which is completely stupid).
_Lord_Of_War_  [Member]
4/27/2011 3:30:21 AM EST
What's the odds that it will becoming to Cali?
CLICKBANGBANG  [Team Member]
4/29/2011 8:12:22 PM EST
Paul, you might be right there! I hope Kel Tec doesn't have to submit the shotgun for any reason. It is way to scarry looking for them to handle. They'll just say no and won't go near the table the KSG is sitting on.

I did find this.

Penal Code ยง 12020(a)(2), (b). A "large capacity magazine" is defined as any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds, but does not include any .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device, any feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds, or any tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

The shotty is not a .22 nor a lever action gun. I hope the shotgun does not fall under this. It would have to be plugged of at ten. Unless the fact that you have to manipulate the gun to fire the second tube. "Reloading" it if you will, from 7+1 to 7 rounds. Thus low cap even though it "houses" enough cartridges to be considered hi cap.

Thoughts? Anyone hear any better? Or a release date?
_Lord_Of_War_  [Member]
4/29/2011 8:42:24 PM EST
But you have to manually change the direction of the feeding device. So technically its a 7+1. Then you flip the internal lever to the other 7.

So it has the capacity of 7+1+7... its under the maximum capacity. Each tube would or should be considered as a magazine.
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