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My OC experience last Friday 10FEB12 at 58th & Kipling King Soopers
2/13/2012 5:17:57 PM
I picked my sons up fromt he skate city at 11 and we ran to the store, King Soopers
to be exact. Rarely are there folks then and usually OC at this time just because
I am to lazy to take off the OWB holster I wear aroudn the house. We are shopping
and have a small list of crap to get. This one lady, mid 40s and no ring, was
ALWAYS in my way the entire time we were shopping, until I parked my cart in front of hers by
the eggs and she was forced to back out the way instead
of continuing through. Stockers carst were blocking the way. She had pissed me off by constantly being rude
and almost hitting my boyswho where next to me along with cutting in front of us or intentionally walkiing slower in front of us.
At no time did I mention her actions to her or sigh or let her know she was really pissing me off.
Well we go through the check out and Arvada PD shows up. I knew instantly
they were there for me because it was 3 squad cars moving at a good speed through the parking lot
and walking towards me.
They were professional and polite and said someone called a little worried about me open carrying.
They then told me it was illegal in the city limits. I didnt argue with them
because it wasnt going to help the situation and didnt want to deal with their
bias against gun ownership. One cop had a heavy English accent, so I assumed (with good probability) he was not for the 2nd amendment.
I showed them my ID and CCW and they let me go.
I know I have asked before about OC in Arvada and am going to contact my lawyer on Monday to
get a 100% confirmation for OC in Arvada. I was at the 58th & Kipling King Soopers.
All in all, that lady is the one who called the cops on me cuz she was a ......... and
the cops were professional and courteous due to me apperently breaking the
OC laws of Arvada.
Thought Id share since not all encounters with the cops lead to a beat down and arrest
http://arvada.org/about-arvada/guns
Can I carry a firearm openly in Arvada?
Yes, but there are restrictions.
Arvada has passed an ordinance against carrying firearms in public buildings. Those public buildings and locations prohibiting firearms are clearly posted as required by Colorado Revised Statues (CRS) 29-11.7-104, and in Arvada Municipal Code 62-71.
Arvada Municipal Code Section 62-71
Open carry of firearms prohibited.
(a) Definitions: In this subsection:
(1) Firearm means any handgun, automatic, revolver, pistol, rifle, shotgun, or other instrument or device capable of or intended to be capable of discharging bullets, cartridges, or other explosive devices.
(2) Public building means any structure, facility, site, or area that is owned, operated, or leased by the city.
(3) Specific area means:
a. All recreational facilities and sports complexes located within the city and owned, operated, or leased by either the city or the North Jeffco Park and Recreation District including, but not limited to, swimming pools, tennis courts, ice rinks, skate parks, basketball courts, pedestrian and bicycle paths, green belts, golf courses, picnic facilities, lawns, gardens, parks, trails, or open space; or
b. Arvada/Blunn reservoir, including the lake, dam, spillways, appurtenances, and city-owned lands surrounding the reservoir.
(b) All firearms must be carried in such a manner so as to be completely concealed from the view of another. Any firearm carried in such a manner as to be visible in whole or in part and for any length of time to another shall be deemed to be open or openly carried.
(c) It shall be unlawful for any person to open or openly carry any firearm in or upon any public building or specific area within the city.
(d) Nothing in this section 62-71 shall be construed to allow the carrying of any firearm except in accordance with state and federal law.
(e) Nothing in this section 62-71 shall be construed to forbid any peace officer or other city employee duly authorized to carry a firearm or firearms from carrying or wearing such firearms as may be necessary in the proper discharge of his duties. Nothing in this section 62-71 shall be construed to forbid the employee of any armored car service agency providing money transport services pursuant to a contractual arrangement with the city or the North Jeffco Park and Recreation District from carrying or wearing such firearms as may be necessary in the proper discharge of his duties, so long as the employee has been duly authorized by his employer to carry a firearm or firearms and he is acting within the course of his employment at the time the firearm or firearms are being carried or worn.
(f) Possession of a valid concealed carry permit shall not constitute a defense to a charge of openly carrying a firearm where prohibited.
(g) Any person violating subsection (c) of this section shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by a fine, or imprisoned, or both, not to exceed the limits established in section 1-5 of this Code. (Ord. No. 3812, § 1, 6-16-03)
to be exact. Rarely are there folks then and usually OC at this time just because
I am to lazy to take off the OWB holster I wear aroudn the house. We are shopping
and have a small list of crap to get. This one lady, mid 40s and no ring, was
ALWAYS in my way the entire time we were shopping, until I parked my cart in front of hers by
the eggs and she was forced to back out the way instead
of continuing through. Stockers carst were blocking the way. She had pissed me off by constantly being rude
and almost hitting my boyswho where next to me along with cutting in front of us or intentionally walkiing slower in front of us.
At no time did I mention her actions to her or sigh or let her know she was really pissing me off.
Well we go through the check out and Arvada PD shows up. I knew instantly
they were there for me because it was 3 squad cars moving at a good speed through the parking lot
and walking towards me.
They were professional and polite and said someone called a little worried about me open carrying.
They then told me it was illegal in the city limits. I didnt argue with them
because it wasnt going to help the situation and didnt want to deal with their
bias against gun ownership. One cop had a heavy English accent, so I assumed (with good probability) he was not for the 2nd amendment.
I showed them my ID and CCW and they let me go.
I know I have asked before about OC in Arvada and am going to contact my lawyer on Monday to
get a 100% confirmation for OC in Arvada. I was at the 58th & Kipling King Soopers.
All in all, that lady is the one who called the cops on me cuz she was a ......... and
the cops were professional and courteous due to me apperently breaking the
OC laws of Arvada.
Thought Id share since not all encounters with the cops lead to a beat down and arrest
http://arvada.org/about-arvada/guns
Can I carry a firearm openly in Arvada?
Yes, but there are restrictions.
Arvada has passed an ordinance against carrying firearms in public buildings. Those public buildings and locations prohibiting firearms are clearly posted as required by Colorado Revised Statues (CRS) 29-11.7-104, and in Arvada Municipal Code 62-71.
Arvada Municipal Code Section 62-71
Open carry of firearms prohibited.
(a) Definitions: In this subsection:
(1) Firearm means any handgun, automatic, revolver, pistol, rifle, shotgun, or other instrument or device capable of or intended to be capable of discharging bullets, cartridges, or other explosive devices.
(2) Public building means any structure, facility, site, or area that is owned, operated, or leased by the city.
(3) Specific area means:
a. All recreational facilities and sports complexes located within the city and owned, operated, or leased by either the city or the North Jeffco Park and Recreation District including, but not limited to, swimming pools, tennis courts, ice rinks, skate parks, basketball courts, pedestrian and bicycle paths, green belts, golf courses, picnic facilities, lawns, gardens, parks, trails, or open space; or
b. Arvada/Blunn reservoir, including the lake, dam, spillways, appurtenances, and city-owned lands surrounding the reservoir.
(b) All firearms must be carried in such a manner so as to be completely concealed from the view of another. Any firearm carried in such a manner as to be visible in whole or in part and for any length of time to another shall be deemed to be open or openly carried.
(c) It shall be unlawful for any person to open or openly carry any firearm in or upon any public building or specific area within the city.
(d) Nothing in this section 62-71 shall be construed to allow the carrying of any firearm except in accordance with state and federal law.
(e) Nothing in this section 62-71 shall be construed to forbid any peace officer or other city employee duly authorized to carry a firearm or firearms from carrying or wearing such firearms as may be necessary in the proper discharge of his duties. Nothing in this section 62-71 shall be construed to forbid the employee of any armored car service agency providing money transport services pursuant to a contractual arrangement with the city or the North Jeffco Park and Recreation District from carrying or wearing such firearms as may be necessary in the proper discharge of his duties, so long as the employee has been duly authorized by his employer to carry a firearm or firearms and he is acting within the course of his employment at the time the firearm or firearms are being carried or worn.
(f) Possession of a valid concealed carry permit shall not constitute a defense to a charge of openly carrying a firearm where prohibited.
(g) Any person violating subsection (c) of this section shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by a fine, or imprisoned, or both, not to exceed the limits established in section 1-5 of this Code. (Ord. No. 3812, § 1, 6-16-03)
2/13/2012 6:17:31 PM
I rarely see open carry here. There was a dude in Arvada Army Navy store saturday with his 1911 (and a shemagh scarf thing). He just shopped and bought his things like the other shoppers, not a single fuck was given.
2/13/2012 6:36:18 PM
I'll say at the outset that I don't open carry.
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
You got into a passive-aggressive pissing match with another shopper and it put you in the position to have to have a run in with law enforcement.
Sorry to be critical or whatever, but that's just my take on things. When we carry firearms, especially openly, we have to be squeaky clean.
Best of luck to you.
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
You got into a passive-aggressive pissing match with another shopper and it put you in the position to have to have a run in with law enforcement.
Sorry to be critical or whatever, but that's just my take on things. When we carry firearms, especially openly, we have to be squeaky clean.
Best of luck to you.
2/13/2012 10:07:07 PM
So after reading the statute it appears that the only places open carry is banned are in areas owned by the city.
Obviously inside the store is not CITY property.
The police were wrong.
Are you going to file a complaint? In the very least you need to make sure that they are aware of their mistake.
Obviously inside the store is not CITY property.
The police were wrong.
Are you going to file a complaint? In the very least you need to make sure that they are aware of their mistake.
2/13/2012 10:32:50 PM
Originally Posted By RevolverRO:
So after reading the statute it appears that the only places open carry is banned are in areas owned by the city.
Obviously inside the store is not CITY property.
The police were wrong.
Are you going to file a complaint? In the very least you need to make sure that they are aware of their mistake.
So after reading the statute it appears that the only places open carry is banned are in areas owned by the city.
Obviously inside the store is not CITY property.
The police were wrong.
Are you going to file a complaint? In the very least you need to make sure that they are aware of their mistake.
I would file a complaint. Either the cops are completely incompetent or just being A-holes.
2/13/2012 10:57:09 PM
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
OC seems to insight an unnecessarily aggressive attitude in some gun owners in public just to get attention, and it only paints an unfortunate stereotype that the gun community could largely do without. Like NagOrzo15-1, if you can't handle a lady walking slowly in front of you in a grocery store before your blood pressure erupts, I can't imagine what your reaction would be if the cashier accidentally scanned your vagisil twice on accident.
I've never understood the appeal; I always thought it brings unwanted attention, as it did for the OP. Blatantly making everyone around you aware that you have a gun puts people on edge and could make a situation more unsafe than if the gun were concealed. For example, if someone did have malevolent intentions in a public place, I can guarantee the guy with a gun on his hip will be the first target. Whether people want to admit it, or are too stupid to realize it, open carry is an offensive posture in human behavior. Remember, carrying a weapon is strictly for defense in a situation where your life is directly in danger...never for offense. Unfortunately many people confuse this attitude when wielding their metal confidence.
Also, it doesn't seem like a very responsible thing to do at a grocery store, which is largely populated by families that may be unsettled by that kind of presence around their children. It doesn't really build a positive message of safety in one's community when folks find the need to walk around with guns on their hips "because they legally can" (or legally can't in this instance...) in order to feel safe. I guess the same could be said for any place.
2/14/2012 12:57:15 AM
Originally Posted By mtbiker731:
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
OC seems to insight an unnecessarily aggressive attitude in some gun owners in public just to get attention, and it only paints an unfortunate stereotype that the gun community could largely do without. Like NagOrzo15-1, if you can't handle a lady walking slowly in front of you in a grocery store before your blood pressure erupts, I can't imagine what your reaction would be if the cashier accidentally scanned your vagisil twice on accident.
I've never understood the appeal; I always thought it brings unwanted attention, as it did for the OP. Blatantly making everyone around you aware that you have a gun puts people on edge and could make a situation more unsafe than if the gun were concealed. For example, if someone did have malevolent intentions in a public place, I can guarantee the guy with a gun on his hip will be the first target. Whether people want to admit it, or are too stupid to realize it, open carry is an offensive posture in human behavior. Remember, carrying a weapon is strictly for defense in a situation where your life is directly in danger...never for offense. Unfortunately many people confuse this attitude when wielding their metal confidence.
Also, it doesn't seem like a very responsible thing to do at a grocery store, which is largely populated by families that may be unsettled by that kind of presence around their children. It doesn't really build a positive message of safety in one's community when folks find the need to walk around with guns on their hips "because they legally can" (or legally can't in this instance...) in order to feel safe. I guess the same could be said for any place.
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
OC seems to insight an unnecessarily aggressive attitude in some gun owners in public just to get attention, and it only paints an unfortunate stereotype that the gun community could largely do without. Like NagOrzo15-1, if you can't handle a lady walking slowly in front of you in a grocery store before your blood pressure erupts, I can't imagine what your reaction would be if the cashier accidentally scanned your vagisil twice on accident.
I've never understood the appeal; I always thought it brings unwanted attention, as it did for the OP. Blatantly making everyone around you aware that you have a gun puts people on edge and could make a situation more unsafe than if the gun were concealed. For example, if someone did have malevolent intentions in a public place, I can guarantee the guy with a gun on his hip will be the first target. Whether people want to admit it, or are too stupid to realize it, open carry is an offensive posture in human behavior. Remember, carrying a weapon is strictly for defense in a situation where your life is directly in danger...never for offense. Unfortunately many people confuse this attitude when wielding their metal confidence.
Also, it doesn't seem like a very responsible thing to do at a grocery store, which is largely populated by families that may be unsettled by that kind of presence around their children. It doesn't really build a positive message of safety in one's community when folks find the need to walk around with guns on their hips "because they legally can" (or legally can't in this instance...) in order to feel safe. I guess the same could be said for any place.
Ther was no aggression towards the lady, I simply parked my cart in front of hers as she was farting around with whatever and I made no gestures or sighs or anything to allow her to know I was pissed at her for being a rude bitch.
As for OCing, I was to lazy to change my holsters out before I went to the store. Your method of thought is the reason why people are on edge. You dont practice your right and thus people tend not to see a firearm on a regular basis
and they then freak out at the very sight of a firearm. This mind you is probably the billionth time I have OCed at this particular store and never had an issue with it before.
You keep hiding the fact your a gun owner and stop ocing etc, your gonna turn into one of "them".
Why are firearms an unsettling thing? Probably because you do your best to hide them from view in a posative light. The snow storms we have had lately, as I was driving around and stopping to help those who can not drive in the snow, I was OCing unless I was in Devner City limits and not 1 person mentioned he scaryness of the icky gun on my side. Your opinion speaks vloumes as to why the sheep are scared and you just perpetuate the cycle. Keep up the good work though!!!!!!!
2/14/2012 1:00:07 AM
Originally Posted By mah827:
I would file a complaint. Either the cops are completely incompetent or just being A-holes.
Originally Posted By RevolverRO:
So after reading the statute it appears that the only places open carry is banned are in areas owned by the city.
Obviously inside the store is not CITY property.
The police were wrong.
Are you going to file a complaint? In the very least you need to make sure that they are aware of their mistake.
So after reading the statute it appears that the only places open carry is banned are in areas owned by the city.
Obviously inside the store is not CITY property.
The police were wrong.
Are you going to file a complaint? In the very least you need to make sure that they are aware of their mistake.
I would file a complaint. Either the cops are completely incompetent or just being A-holes.
I am in the process of resolving this through the APD.
2/14/2012 4:36:27 PM
Originally Posted By DD977GM2:
Ther was no aggression towards the lady, I simply parked my cart in front of hers as she was farting around with whatever and I made no gestures or sighs or anything to allow her to know I was pissed at her for being a rude bitch.
As for OCing, I was to lazy to change my holsters out before I went to the store. Your method of thought is the reason why people are on edge. You dont practice your right and thus people tend not to see a firearm on a regular basis
and they then freak out at the very sight of a firearm. This mind you is probably the billionth time I have OCed at this particular store and never had an issue with it before.
You keep hiding the fact your a gun owner and stop ocing etc, your gonna turn into one of "them".
Why are firearms an unsettling thing? Probably because you do your best to hide them from view in a posative light. The snow storms we have had lately, as I was driving around and stopping to help those who can not drive in the snow, I was OCing unless I was in Devner City limits and not 1 person mentioned he scaryness of the icky gun on my side. Your opinion speaks vloumes as to why the sheep are scared and you just perpetuate the cycle. Keep up the good work though!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By mtbiker731:
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
OC seems to insight an unnecessarily aggressive attitude in some gun owners in public just to get attention, and it only paints an unfortunate stereotype that the gun community could largely do without. Like NagOrzo15-1, if you can't handle a lady walking slowly in front of you in a grocery store before your blood pressure erupts, I can't imagine what your reaction would be if the cashier accidentally scanned your vagisil twice on accident.
I've never understood the appeal; I always thought it brings unwanted attention, as it did for the OP. Blatantly making everyone around you aware that you have a gun puts people on edge and could make a situation more unsafe than if the gun were concealed. For example, if someone did have malevolent intentions in a public place, I can guarantee the guy with a gun on his hip will be the first target. Whether people want to admit it, or are too stupid to realize it, open carry is an offensive posture in human behavior. Remember, carrying a weapon is strictly for defense in a situation where your life is directly in danger...never for offense. Unfortunately many people confuse this attitude when wielding their metal confidence.
Also, it doesn't seem like a very responsible thing to do at a grocery store, which is largely populated by families that may be unsettled by that kind of presence around their children. It doesn't really build a positive message of safety in one's community when folks find the need to walk around with guns on their hips "because they legally can" (or legally can't in this instance...) in order to feel safe. I guess the same could be said for any place.
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
But regardless of whether your gun is in open view or concealed, it seems to me that you probably need to chill out a bit in terms getting angry over shopping cart traffic patterns in a store. There are some folks that I have seen that have an increased aggressor response when they are running heavy, and if you're in that group, you have got to figure out a way to chill out.
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
OC seems to insight an unnecessarily aggressive attitude in some gun owners in public just to get attention, and it only paints an unfortunate stereotype that the gun community could largely do without. Like NagOrzo15-1, if you can't handle a lady walking slowly in front of you in a grocery store before your blood pressure erupts, I can't imagine what your reaction would be if the cashier accidentally scanned your vagisil twice on accident.
I've never understood the appeal; I always thought it brings unwanted attention, as it did for the OP. Blatantly making everyone around you aware that you have a gun puts people on edge and could make a situation more unsafe than if the gun were concealed. For example, if someone did have malevolent intentions in a public place, I can guarantee the guy with a gun on his hip will be the first target. Whether people want to admit it, or are too stupid to realize it, open carry is an offensive posture in human behavior. Remember, carrying a weapon is strictly for defense in a situation where your life is directly in danger...never for offense. Unfortunately many people confuse this attitude when wielding their metal confidence.
Also, it doesn't seem like a very responsible thing to do at a grocery store, which is largely populated by families that may be unsettled by that kind of presence around their children. It doesn't really build a positive message of safety in one's community when folks find the need to walk around with guns on their hips "because they legally can" (or legally can't in this instance...) in order to feel safe. I guess the same could be said for any place.
Ther was no aggression towards the lady, I simply parked my cart in front of hers as she was farting around with whatever and I made no gestures or sighs or anything to allow her to know I was pissed at her for being a rude bitch.
As for OCing, I was to lazy to change my holsters out before I went to the store. Your method of thought is the reason why people are on edge. You dont practice your right and thus people tend not to see a firearm on a regular basis
and they then freak out at the very sight of a firearm. This mind you is probably the billionth time I have OCed at this particular store and never had an issue with it before.
You keep hiding the fact your a gun owner and stop ocing etc, your gonna turn into one of "them".
Why are firearms an unsettling thing? Probably because you do your best to hide them from view in a posative light. The snow storms we have had lately, as I was driving around and stopping to help those who can not drive in the snow, I was OCing unless I was in Devner City limits and not 1 person mentioned he scaryness of the icky gun on my side. Your opinion speaks vloumes as to why the sheep are scared and you just perpetuate the cycle. Keep up the good work though!!!!!!!
The fact that you are argueing says that you completely missed his point. Stop being so aggressive before you get someone innocent killed. I live in this town too!
2/14/2012 11:26:04 PM
People who are against open-carry - please don't move to Castle Rock. We don't need any more anti-gun gun owners living here.
And if someone is either a dick to you because you are open carrying or gets all scared and wets themselves that is their fault. You are doing something completely legal and moral. That's really the argument most OC people are trying to make - It's immoral. Yup.
People who argue against open carry might as well take the phrase "open carry" and replace it with "drive your car around."
Example:
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
OC Driving a car around seems to insight an unnecessarily aggressive attitude in some gun car owners in public just to get attention, and it only paints an unfortunate stereotype that the gun car community could largely do without. Like NagOrzo15-1, if you can't handle a lady walking driving slowly in front of you (on purpose because she hates you because of your car) in a grocery store before on the highway before your blood pressure erupts, I can't imagine what your reaction would be if the cashier toll booth attendant scanned your vagisil billed you twice on accident.
I've never understood the appeal; I always thought it brings unwanted attention, as it did for the OP. Blatantly making everyone around you aware that you have a gun car puts people on edge and could make a situation more unsafe than if the gun car were left in the garage or dressed up as a Zepplinconcealed. For example, if someone did have malevolent intentions in a public place on the road , I can guarantee the guy with a gun on his hip driving a car will be the first target. Whether people want to admit it, or are too stupid to realize it, open carry driving a car is an offensive posture in human behavior. Remember, carrying a weapon driving a car is strictly for defense commuting in a situation where your life is directly in danger you need to go somewhere...never for offense. Unfortunately many people confuse this attitude when wielding their metal confidence.
Also, it doesn't seem like a very responsible thing to do at a grocery store through a neighborhood, which is largely populated by families that may be unsettled by that kind of presence around their children. It doesn't really build a positive message of safety in one's community when folks find the need to walk around with guns on their hips drive their cars "because they legally can" (or legally can't in this instance...) in order to feel safe get places. I guess the same could be said for any place.
And if someone is either a dick to you because you are open carrying or gets all scared and wets themselves that is their fault. You are doing something completely legal and moral. That's really the argument most OC people are trying to make - It's immoral. Yup.
People who argue against open carry might as well take the phrase "open carry" and replace it with "drive your car around."
Example:
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
OC Driving a car around seems to insight an unnecessarily aggressive attitude in some gun car owners in public just to get attention, and it only paints an unfortunate stereotype that the gun car community could largely do without. Like NagOrzo15-1, if you can't handle a lady walking driving slowly in front of you (on purpose because she hates you because of your car) in a grocery store before on the highway before your blood pressure erupts, I can't imagine what your reaction would be if the cashier toll booth attendant scanned your vagisil billed you twice on accident.
I've never understood the appeal; I always thought it brings unwanted attention, as it did for the OP. Blatantly making everyone around you aware that you have a gun car puts people on edge and could make a situation more unsafe than if the gun car were left in the garage or dressed up as a Zepplinconcealed. For example, if someone did have malevolent intentions in a public place on the road , I can guarantee the guy with a gun on his hip driving a car will be the first target. Whether people want to admit it, or are too stupid to realize it, open carry driving a car is an offensive posture in human behavior. Remember, carrying a weapon driving a car is strictly for defense commuting in a situation where your life is directly in danger you need to go somewhere...never for offense. Unfortunately many people confuse this attitude when wielding their metal confidence.
Also, it doesn't seem like a very responsible thing to do at a grocery store through a neighborhood, which is largely populated by families that may be unsettled by that kind of presence around their children. It doesn't really build a positive message of safety in one's community when folks find the need to walk around with guns on their hips drive their cars "because they legally can" (or legally can't in this instance...) in order to feel safe get places. I guess the same could be said for any place.
2/14/2012 11:59:03 PM
sheesh, everybody chill, OC threads do not bring the best out in everybody.......
