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 Can you own a non-Uzi Uzi in CT?
Blackhawk101  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 4:53:30 AM EST
I got this question from someone from another site who knows I'm pretty conversant in the states AWB but this one has me going hmmmmm?

He asked if you can own an Uzi in CT so long as it is not an IMI weapon stamped Uzi on the side. He was thinking of getting the Norinco copy which, iirc, is stamped Model 320 on the side.

Now the CT AWB under named prohibited weapons says "Uzi carbine, mini-carbine, and pistol". Note that it does not say a) IMI or b) list it as "type" unlike for example "Colt SPorter" or "Ak-type". In the examples given we all know that any other AR not Colt marked is good to go and that we can have all the AKs we want so long as they are not in 7.62x39.

SInce the Uzi is not manufacturer named and is not tagged as "type" my thinking was that any weapon stamped "Uzi" on the side is prohibited but if its stamped Model 320, Oozi, etc that it may be a loophole allowing us to own them (similar to we cant own an HK-91 but the PTR-91/CETME's are good to go).

So long as an Uzi copy meets the AWB criteria and is not stamped "Uzi" on the side I cannot figure out why we could not own copies of this weapon.

So I'm looking for input as to how I am wrong in this thinking - I know I must be missing something as one cannot find non-Uzi marked clones for sale anywhere and I cannot believe that someone has not thought of this before.
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_Matt_  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 5:45:00 AM EST
I agree with you
Andrapos  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 5:52:19 AM EST
(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202a.htm



doom21  [Member]
3/19/2011 6:08:10 AM EST
Gotta go with legal sense its by name. Uzi trade marked so if another company makes it it shounld be an uzi
_Matt_  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 6:19:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By Andrapos:
(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202a.htm




pretty sure the norinco 320 is a rifle- has a stock, +16" barrel, etc.


sbhaven  [Member]
3/19/2011 6:24:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202a.htm

Does not apply if the firearm has a barrel longer than 12 inches. It appears the Norinco Uzi clone has a barrel length of 16 inches. And it appears some may also have a thumb hole stock.

http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/glossary/pistol_rev.htm
A "pistol" or "revolver" is any firearm having a barrel less than twelve inches.


Edit to Add: Here's a picture of what one Norinco Model 320 looks like...

Andrapos  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 7:55:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By sbhaven:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202a.htm

Does not apply if the firearm has a barrel longer than 12 inches. It appears the Norinco Uzi clone has a barrel length of 16 inches. And it appears some may also have a thumb hole stock.

http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/glossary/pistol_rev.htm
A "pistol" or "revolver" is any firearm having a barrel less than twelve inches.


Edit to Add: Here's a picture of what one Norinco Model 320 looks like...

http://www.proxibid.com/AuctionImages/96/28595/Detail/78.jpg

Good Lord, that's ugly! I like it...
skeeters65  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 10:18:55 AM EST
NFA
End of story
Blackhawk101  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 2:55:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By skeeters65:
NFA
End of story


CT AWB and NFA are two totally seperate issues.

If that were the case people would make 7.62x39 AKs into Krinks or Colt Sporters into <16" weapons.
_Matt_  [Team Member]
3/19/2011 3:38:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Blackhawk101:
Originally Posted By skeeters65:
NFA
End of story


CT AWB and NFA are two totally seperate issues.

If that were the case people would make 7.62x39 AKs into Krinks or Colt Sporters into <16" weapons.

not what he is talking about

you can have a full auto uzi or ak in CT, not select fire, but full auto or burst only is ok



Juntau  [Member]
3/20/2011 10:05:13 AM EST
Don't forget"Vector"
Blackhawk101  [Team Member]
3/20/2011 10:27:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Juntau:
Don't forget"Vector"


I believe Vector is stamped Uzi on the side as they were IMI conversions.
Dedeye  [Member]
3/20/2011 11:21:16 AM EST
AFAIK the Norinco UZI clones are OK in CT. They aren't listed in the original list of Evil Black Guns (even if they are clones of one of them) and they were all imported long before the ban, so the Evil Features list doesn't apply.

I have seen a few of them come and go, but not many. I get the impression there aren't that many of them in circulation.
nutter  [Member]
3/20/2011 2:34:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dedeye:
AFAIK the Norinco UZI clones are OK in CT. They aren't listed in the original list of Evil Black Guns (even if they are clones of one of them) and they were all imported long before the ban, so the Evil Features list doesn't apply.

I have seen a few of them come and go, but not many. I get the impression there aren't that many of them in circulation.


There are no shortage of the Norinco UZI's but they are the least desirable of the clones-
Juntau  [Member]
3/20/2011 6:53:34 PM EST
I believe Vector is stamped Uzi on the side as they were IMI conversions.


are you sure because Vector uses Group Industries receivers which aren't stamped "UZI"
I've seen Vector Uzi and haven't seen the stamp "UZI" unless it was an earlier model and they started stamping now

Blackhawk101  [Team Member]
3/21/2011 2:40:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Juntau:
I believe Vector is stamped Uzi on the side as they were IMI conversions.


are you sure because Vector uses Group Industries receivers which aren't stamped "UZI"
I've seen Vector Uzi and haven't seen the stamp "UZI" unless it was an earlier model and they started stamping now



You may be correct but I think their may be some Vector IMI conversions out there. I vaguely remember my father having two or three IMI's sent out to have converted to full auto for customers of his store. I thought they were sent to Vector- next time I talk to him I'll ask him if he remembers who did the conversions.
firepolock  [Member]
3/21/2011 5:21:48 AM EST
AFAIK the Norinco UZI clones are OK in CT. They aren't listed in the original list of Evil Black Guns (even if they are clones of one of them) and they were all imported long before the ban, so the Evil Features list doesn't apply.




are you sure? the research ive done has said only a few "officer nines" or whatever they are stamped were prebans. would like to know, because im interested in one of these clones. fyi, i was the person blackhawk was referring to in the first post.
Juntau  [Member]
3/21/2011 7:38:55 AM EST
trying to determine which ones are preban is the challenge
nutter  [Member]
3/21/2011 10:31:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By firepolock:
AFAIK the Norinco UZI clones are OK in CT. They aren't listed in the original list of Evil Black Guns (even if they are clones of one of them) and they were all imported long before the ban, so the Evil Features list doesn't apply.




are you sure? the research ive done has said only a few "officer nines" or whatever they are stamped were prebans. would like to know, because im interested in one of these clones. fyi, i was the person blackhawk was referring to in the first post.


Here is a number for an auction on gunbroker # 220895401
Nice pictures of the gun and it does not say UZI
These were not imported after 94, I do not think they were imported much after 88 or 89. These would be preban. They were required to have the silly thumbhole stock cause they did not have enough us parts and that ruling was for 88
Dedeye  [Member]
3/21/2011 11:24:35 AM EST
Well my memory sucks, but it was Bush 41 that banned all imports of Chinese arms and ammo (remember the $79.99 SKS rifles?) and he was president before Clinton. The AWB happened under Slick Willy.
nutter  [Member]
3/21/2011 1:05:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dedeye:
Well my memory sucks, but it was Bush 41 that banned all imports of Chinese arms and ammo (remember the $79.99 SKS rifles?) and he was president before Clinton. The AWB happened under Slick Willy.


Unfortunately you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know but my mind is like a spunge and everytime I hang out with you oldtimers I try to listen more than I speak. I had two of the Chinese $79.99 SKS's. Sold one and still have the other -still in cosmoline-
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