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Coming for Training... have a question
3/20/2012 9:09:58 PM
Gentlemen (and ladies),
I'll be coming to your state in June to attend some training. I would like to use my short barrelled rifle; however, I cannot find a statute relating to whether your state allows them.
Could someone enlighten me, and even better, site the statute so I can read it?
Thank you.
Kujoe
Oh... obligatory pic...
I'll be coming to your state in June to attend some training. I would like to use my short barrelled rifle; however, I cannot find a statute relating to whether your state allows them.
Could someone enlighten me, and even better, site the statute so I can read it?
Thank you.
Kujoe
Oh... obligatory pic...
3/20/2012 10:26:46 PM
As long as you have your ATF paperwork in order, to travel outside of your state of residence, you should be GTG. SBR's are legal in IN, SBS's are NOT. (kinda 
)
I'll see if I can't find a statute for your reference.
Best I could find, is the portion of Indiana Code that lists Prohibited Instruments of Violence. It lists "sawed off shotguns", but mentions nothing about SBR's.
You might also call Indiana State Police Firearms Licensing Section 317-232-8264
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I'll see if I can't find a statute for your reference.
Best I could find, is the portion of Indiana Code that lists Prohibited Instruments of Violence. It lists "sawed off shotguns", but mentions nothing about SBR's.
You might also call Indiana State Police Firearms Licensing Section 317-232-8264
3/20/2012 10:38:40 PM
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
3/21/2012 9:00:01 AM
Originally Posted By WTF54:
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
3/21/2012 2:39:02 PM
Thanks guys.
3/21/2012 3:08:23 PM
SBR's, Suppressors & Machine guns are legal. Short barreled shotguns are not. I'm not finding it in the code relating to SBR's. Mostly, the criminal code is things you can't do. This chapter deals with Machine guns & sawed off shotguns.
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar47/ch5.html
IC 35-47-5-9
Operating loaded machine gun
Sec. 9. A person who operates a loaded machine gun commits a Class B felony.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.104-2000, SEC.4; P.L.123-2002, SEC.44.
IC 35-47-5-10
Applicability of statutes relating to machine guns
Sec. 10. The provisions of section 8 or 9 of this chapter shall not be construed to apply to any of the following:
(1) Members of the military or naval forces of the United States, National Guard of Indiana, or Indiana State Guard, when on duty or practicing.
(2) Machine guns kept for display as relics and which are rendered harmless and not usable.
(3) Any of the law enforcement officers of this state or the United States while acting in the furtherance of their duties.
(4) Persons lawfully engaged in the display, testing, or use of fireworks.
(5) Agencies of state government.
(6) Persons permitted by law to engage in the business of manufacturing, assembling, conducting research on, or testing machine guns, airplanes, tanks, armored vehicles, or ordnance equipment or supplies while acting within the scope of such business.
(7) Persons possessing, or having applied to possess, machine guns under applicable United States statutes. Such machine guns must be transferred as provided in this article.
(8) Persons lawfully engaged in the manufacture, transportation, distribution, use or possession of any material, substance, or device for the sole purpose of industrial, agricultural, mining, construction, educational, or any other lawful use.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.104-2000, SEC.5; P.L.123-2002, SEC.45.
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar47/ch5.html
IC 35-47-5-9
Operating loaded machine gun
Sec. 9. A person who operates a loaded machine gun commits a Class B felony.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.104-2000, SEC.4; P.L.123-2002, SEC.44.
IC 35-47-5-10
Applicability of statutes relating to machine guns
Sec. 10. The provisions of section 8 or 9 of this chapter shall not be construed to apply to any of the following:
(1) Members of the military or naval forces of the United States, National Guard of Indiana, or Indiana State Guard, when on duty or practicing.
(2) Machine guns kept for display as relics and which are rendered harmless and not usable.
(3) Any of the law enforcement officers of this state or the United States while acting in the furtherance of their duties.
(4) Persons lawfully engaged in the display, testing, or use of fireworks.
(5) Agencies of state government.
(6) Persons permitted by law to engage in the business of manufacturing, assembling, conducting research on, or testing machine guns, airplanes, tanks, armored vehicles, or ordnance equipment or supplies while acting within the scope of such business.
(7) Persons possessing, or having applied to possess, machine guns under applicable United States statutes. Such machine guns must be transferred as provided in this article.
(8) Persons lawfully engaged in the manufacture, transportation, distribution, use or possession of any material, substance, or device for the sole purpose of industrial, agricultural, mining, construction, educational, or any other lawful use.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.104-2000, SEC.5; P.L.123-2002, SEC.45.
3/21/2012 10:37:06 PM
Originally Posted By efpeter:
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
3/22/2012 4:10:35 AM
Training in June eh?
Make sure to pack rain gear and snow gear in addition to a minimalist summer layout.
You might also consider grabbing a tube of Taint Paint
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2009/02/08/for-external-use-only/
Make sure to pack rain gear and snow gear in addition to a minimalist summer layout.
You might also consider grabbing a tube of Taint Paint
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2009/02/08/for-external-use-only/
3/22/2012 11:09:51 AM
Originally Posted By FastSS:
Training in June eh?
Make sure to pack rain gear and snow gear in addition to a minimalist summer layout.
You might also consider grabbing a tube of Taint Paint
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2009/02/08/for-external-use-only/
Training in June eh?
Make sure to pack rain gear and snow gear in addition to a minimalist summer layout.
You might also consider grabbing a tube of Taint Paint
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2009/02/08/for-external-use-only/
3/24/2012 9:57:08 AM
Originally Posted By WTF54:
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
Originally Posted By efpeter:
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
If that was true, everybody and thier brother would have a SBR in Indiana and companies would market products specifically to us knowing there is no restriction.
Where it gets confusing is having a stock mounted on it because it's designed to be used in a way that facilitates the ability to use both hands on the gun.
If you took off the stock and just had the tube, then you could say it's a handgun.
You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with some legal gray area wording in the law, but I wouldn't risk it.
Keep your SBR ATF paperwork with you and you will be OK here in the Hoosier state.
3/24/2012 11:27:01 AM
Originally Posted By phoenix426:
If that was true, everybody and thier brother would have a SBR in Indiana and companies would market products specifically to us knowing there is no restriction.
Where it gets confusing is having a stock mounted on it because it's designed to be used in a way that facilitates the ability to use both hands on the gun.
If you took off the stock and just had the tube, then you could say it's a handgun.
You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with some legal gray area wording in the law, but I wouldn't risk it.
Keep your SBR ATF paperwork with you and you will be OK here in the Hoosier state.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
Originally Posted By efpeter:
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
If that was true, everybody and thier brother would have a SBR in Indiana and companies would market products specifically to us knowing there is no restriction.
Where it gets confusing is having a stock mounted on it because it's designed to be used in a way that facilitates the ability to use both hands on the gun.
If you took off the stock and just had the tube, then you could say it's a handgun.
You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with some legal gray area wording in the law, but I wouldn't risk it.
Keep your SBR ATF paperwork with you and you will be OK here in the Hoosier state.
That goes without saying anywhere in the US. Thanks for all the help. I was just wondering if Indiana allows them or not. For instance, I know that SBRs are a HUGE no no in Illinois, regardless of your paperwork.
3/25/2012 5:52:16 PM
Originally Posted By phoenix426:
If that was true, everybody and thier brother would have a SBR in Indiana and companies would market products specifically to us knowing there is no restriction.
Where it gets confusing is having a stock mounted on it because it's designed to be used in a way that facilitates the ability to use both hands on the gun.
If you took off the stock and just had the tube, then you could say it's a handgun.
You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with some legal gray area wording in the law, but I wouldn't risk it.
Keep your SBR ATF paperwork with you and you will be OK here in the Hoosier state.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
Originally Posted By efpeter:
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
If that was true, everybody and thier brother would have a SBR in Indiana and companies would market products specifically to us knowing there is no restriction.
Where it gets confusing is having a stock mounted on it because it's designed to be used in a way that facilitates the ability to use both hands on the gun.
If you took off the stock and just had the tube, then you could say it's a handgun.
You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with some legal gray area wording in the law, but I wouldn't risk it.
Keep your SBR ATF paperwork with you and you will be OK here in the Hoosier state.
No, you still must comply with the NFA or the feds will nail you. Your SBR fits the definition of a "Handgun" as outlined by the applicable Indiana Code.
3/26/2012 8:20:02 PM
Originally Posted By nick89302:
No, you still must comply with the NFA or the feds will nail you. Your SBR fits the definition of a "Handgun" as outlined by the applicable Indiana Code.
Originally Posted By phoenix426:
If that was true, everybody and thier brother would have a SBR in Indiana and companies would market products specifically to us knowing there is no restriction.
Where it gets confusing is having a stock mounted on it because it's designed to be used in a way that facilitates the ability to use both hands on the gun.
If you took off the stock and just had the tube, then you could say it's a handgun.
You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with some legal gray area wording in the law, but I wouldn't risk it.
Keep your SBR ATF paperwork with you and you will be OK here in the Hoosier state.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
Originally Posted By efpeter:
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
Originally Posted By WTF54:
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
If you want to get technical, your SBR is considered a handgun here in Indiana. So technically you should treat it as a handgun and have your federal paperwork with you too.
Que?
An SBR is an SBR in Indiana. Treat it like an SBR.
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
See the part where it says any firearm...it must only meet one of the above requirements...this one would be a barrel less than 16".
Their is a provision for machineguns...a SBR is not a machine gun.
Your stamp is a federal law not a state law, dont confuse the two.
If that was true, everybody and thier brother would have a SBR in Indiana and companies would market products specifically to us knowing there is no restriction.
Where it gets confusing is having a stock mounted on it because it's designed to be used in a way that facilitates the ability to use both hands on the gun.
If you took off the stock and just had the tube, then you could say it's a handgun.
You might be able to talk your way out of trouble with some legal gray area wording in the law, but I wouldn't risk it.
Keep your SBR ATF paperwork with you and you will be OK here in the Hoosier state.
No, you still must comply with the NFA or the feds will nail you. Your SBR fits the definition of a "Handgun" as outlined by the applicable Indiana Code.
Thanks, I have been out of town for a few days.
As stated an SBR is a federal law not a state one.
