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I found a set of offset sights on amazon I just couldn't pass up. Near copy of the Dueck sights, but 1/3 the cost.





Anyway I mounted them up and laser bore sighted the windage last weekend but didn't have time to get out to shoot until this weekend. I've never used this type of sighting system before. I did a little reading on sighting and using the AR peep sight and then got out to Lake City today to get it dialed in.

I forgot my arfcom sighting instructions and had to wing it. I didn't touch the rear elevation knob because I couldn't remember what it needed to be set to. I stopped by Bass Pro on the way and picked up a front sight tool.

First target I wasn't even on the paper. Held down and found how high I was. I didn't want to crank way up on the sight so I just sighted it in at 25 yards as a kind of 6-oclock hold and got it as close as I could. I was aiming with the top of the front sight at the bottom ring of the target.




I moved it back to 50 and was surprised how high my shots were going with the same hold.




I didn't mess with it anymore at the range because I wasn't %100 sure of what I was doing. I'm planning on changing to a HiViz front post later this month, and I was running out of time at the range.

On a another note, my sight picture wasn't what I expected either. It looks more like the pic below on the right. I could just barely see the "wings" in in the peep. I just remembered that was using the smaller of the two rings though. Not sure which I should have been using.




For now this will work till I get it all sorted. I'll be using them mainly for closer targets at matches.

I'd welcome any suggestions or observations.

Cool sights!

This arfcom guide is a how-to on sighting in your iron sights. Print out a copy, then take it to the range.

Your pattern is a going to be a bit weak due to your hold. When you hold on a target, it's very very difficult to aim in exactly the same place every time, therefore your groups start opening up. As far as when you move from 25 to 50 meters, you then need to remember to double your hold at double the range. Higher ranges accentuate any errors in your sighting.

Your sight picture is normal. That's the smaller aperture, for use with more precision shooting, like sighting in or going long range. The other, wider aperture is referred to as the 0-2 aperture, meaning it's usefulness is between 0-200 meters, or "short range." It lets you get a better overall view of close-up targets, but your shooting will not be as precise as the smaller aperture. When sighting in, use the smaller aperture for precise shots.

Simply follow the instructions on that guide, and you'll have a combat zero which will work perfectly for 3-gun.

Good luck

Edit: I'd REALLY recommend getting to the range and sighting before any matches. Your zero is, indeed, WAY off. It's a pain to try and remember to hold during a speed competition . On another note, could you post up some more pics of exactly how the sights are mounted, and close ups of the front and rear sights? Mainly to establish if these have similar features of A2 sights, and my own curiosity.

I just bought a carry handle from another member, up in WA.

Wanna come help me sight it in when I get it?

That's the same guide I had found and print,but left on the kitchen table on the way out the door.

When I got home I did a little Googling on the markings on the rear iron sight. It was set to 3/8. I guess that's the 300/800 meter elevation adjustment? Doh.

Regarding how (little) you saw of the front sight through the rear peep, keep in mind that your particular rear sight is mounted ~2" forward of where the rear sight normally is, just ahead of the CH.

Then you have to choose where you want your rifle zero'd. This is from the "Combat Zero" page in the FAQ thread within the Optics, Mounts & Sights thread.

Combat Zero

The common zero ranges for the M4/M16 family are 25M (Iron) 36M (ACOG) 50M and 100M

• The 25M gives you a zero that roughly matches a 300M zero based upon trajectory and bore access. This is the standard zero and allows the firer to hit a man sized target when aimed center of mass from between 25M out to 350M. Everything between 25M and 300M the round will go high over the point of aim.
• The 36M is specifically designed for the RCO TA 31F ACOG. This optic, properly used, gives you an accurate 100M 200M 300M aim point assuming your range estimating is correct.
• The 50M zero is designed to match a 200M zero. It has the smallest amount of overall deviation in trajectory from 25M to 300M. You will be high between 50M and 200M and low past 200M.
• The 100M zero gives you a limited zero everything within 100M and beyond the bullet will impact low.

I like a 50m zero with my iron sights.

I was zeroing at 25 yards, but apparently with the rear elevation set too high.

I'd be using these primarily to hit closer targets that are difficult to transition between with my M-223 2-8x scope.

For that I think 25m or 50m would work fine but I like the reduced deviation of the 50m.

I ordered my HiViz front post this morning. Hopefully it will get her before the weekend and I can try again. :)

Zeroed at 50 what would be the bullet drop holding "on" at 350...?

Ok Google'd a little more. I had it correctly set on 3/8 but all the way up at 3/8 I cranked it back down all the way and will have to try again after I get my fiber optic front post.

MUCH better. This is definitely a daytime only enhancement, but that's exactly what I wanted it for anyway.





Because of the way this sight is designed, I can only make 2 MOA elevation adjustments, but again for the distances I'll be using these it should be fine.

Depends on your bullet weight and velocity.

I like the sights what brand are they? I searched but found nothing but the Dueck sights.

more pics of the hivis font sight please! do you like it?

AR15 AR 15 Front and Rear 45 Degree Rapid Transition BUIS Backup Iron Sight

Yes... I like a lot. Got it sighted in this weekend and was drilling a 7" plate at 50 yards. That's more than good enough for my purposes. And now the sighting system (black rear, green fiber front) is the same as my pistols and shotgun.

If you notice above, my windage is set all the way right and I think i'm out of adjustment.

After installing the FO sight post, I got the elevation dialed in and noticed I was hitting about left. I was clicking it right but it wasn't making any difference. I don't think the sight is to blame though.

I remember that my piston gas block seemed a bit tweaked last time I was setting the front rail. I'm not sure if the barrel or gas block needs to be adjusted. It's pinned so I'm not sure how much I can actually adjust it.

SD-3G... Wow.... All I can say... is wow. The break is amazing...







And no wonder the old hammer pin was popping out a bit, just out of one side!

Why not just use one of the mini red dot sights (RMR, Dr Optic, etc) instead of "irons"?

Because it puts you in open.

Ahh, game rules.

and I see this AFTER my Dueck sights shipped from LaRue this morning.......oh well I guess


I have the Geiselle SSA-E trigger in my 16" OBR, SSA in my 12.7" LWRC, and SD-E in my CMMG .308. I love their trigger and may have to pick up a trigger like yours if I build up a dedicated 3-gun rifle instead of using my OBR. Right now I'm planning to use the Dueck sights with them sighted at 25 yards, then the Trijicon Accupoint for everything beyond there. Only thing I wanted the Dueck sights for was the in close targets on the first stage Saturday and similar distances, my 2.5x minimum on the Trijicon should do fine for 50yards and beyond.


I may have to look into the front sight post you have there, looks promising.

At the shorter ranges we're using the sights for, the FO post is fine. 2MOA adjustments per turn might be an issue at longer distances for some. They served thier purposed though. Cut my time on those short range targets in half, and I was shooting conservative.

Heya. In another thread, you mentioned a shotgun.

what did you order? Got it yet?

Buddy and I are most interested in semiauto now, after that nevertobesufficientlydamned spinner ate my lunch.

Have you considered losing an inch or two of sight radius and mounting the front sight back on your rail? In the long run you could regain that sight radius loss by installing a smaller gas block and a longer rail.

Mossberg 930 JM Pro 10-Shot model. Basically a 930 with a 24" non-ported barrel, chromed gas tube, chromed trigger group, trigger job, widened loading port, and Nordic +5 tube, clamp, and charging handle, and a extended safety.

Yes, but it's a piston model and the gas ejects from right behind the gas block up through the rail. So I'd have to put it back even farther to keep it from getting slathered. Also I have a CMMG K7 rail on there now that I really want to replace with a Samson Evolution 7-EX. Until recently I had been having problems keeping the K7 rail from coming loose. I'd get back from a match and the damn thing was loose and rotating. Didn't think it was a goo place to put it when trying to keep a zero. Since I must have gotten the nut torqued down good and the loctite seems to be holding on the set screw.

When I install the Samson hand guard, I'll have to pull the gas block and barrel nut. If I can't find a way to true up the gas block I'll definitely put it on the rail instead.

Samson ordered. And got my JM Pro Mossberg 930 today.

sweet! Our two showed up Wednesday. Time to practice and see if they like bulk Wal-Mart shells.

Let us know if you find a simple way to sure up the forearm on yours. Mine has some wiggle.

Evil,
You aren't planning on running open class already? Those ports on that barrel push you up a class

That's my custom configured 930. Part of the reason I wanted a JM Pro is because I didn't want to spend another $170 on a non-ported barrel.




They eat Wal-Mart bulk 7 1/2 Remington and Federal all day long without a hiccup. I haven't tried the white box Winchesters. They never ran right in my 1100.




Both of mine have that up and down wiggle in the forearm near the loading port. I don't know why. It bugs me.

I am curious when adjusting these sights since they sit at a 45* (offset from the barrel) do you have to adjust the vertical as well as horizontal to get a flat shift in POI or are the sights set up for this already. I guess what I am saying is if you are hitting 2 inches to the right and adjust the impact 2 inches left do you also have to adjust the height or does the sight already compensate for that with true vertical/horizontal adjustments.

Also noticed somebody mentioned something about shooting at 350 yards with this setup. With a 50 yard zero the shift in impact due to the angle with a 1" offset from center of barrel would have the POI at nearly 7 inches ro the right of the target. It would only get worse the farther you went out due to the sights being out of square with the barrel.

Interesting sights though.

If you want a better price on those 7.5's....Rogers Sporting Goods in Liberty, MO has 250rd cases of Federal 7.5's that are the same loads Walmart carries.....$47.99/250rd case vs $22.97/100 box. I bought 3 cases today. Ended up where you get 40-45 rounds more for the same price compared to Walmart.


Got to shoot my 9sh JM930 and WOW, I like it! Was alot faster and was awefully hard to miss anything!

IMO.....offset sights are to be offset compared to a scope, so I wouldn't be shooing to 350 with th irons over the scope. I just sighted my Deuck offset sights an hour or two ago at 20 yards with the intent up shooting out to 30-40 max.

When sighting in, it shouldn't be any different than normal, your rifle is rotated 45 degrees, sothe sights should be on top when shooting.

When I transition from the scope to the offset sights, I twist the butt of the gun in my shoulder 45 deg so the iron sights are now upright. I'm zeroed at 25 yards and was shooting consistent at 75 yards, which is way out from what I plan on using these for.

My el cheapo 45 degree sights are in KC, but not "out for delivery" yet. Perhaps Monday.

I'm installing Dawson sights on my XD, and I welded up 9 targets and stands like Midwest3gun uses for shotgun targets.

Hope I get to try out the 930 today!

One of these days I'll get good, and have to come out there and show y'all how it's done, but for now I'll just sit back and continue sucking at life

More farkles...

Mossberg 18.5" 5+1rd Maverick 88 w/ ATI Talon-Scorpion Stock, stock mounted side saddle, and picatinny mount for light. Particularly proud of this one since I built it for about $275.00



It was fine the way it came but GF couldn't shoulder it, and if I put a Bantam stock on it, I couldn't shoulder it. First time a collapsable stock seemed to make sense to me on a shotgun.




TacStar Side Saddle for the JM Pro 930






Vltor EMOD stock and Geiselle SD3G trigger for the AR






And as soon as I get a hold of a barrel wrench... the Sampson Evolution 7 EX.

What part of MO you in? I have an unchristened armorer's wrench.

Hey that's awesome, appreciate the offer, but boss will be back in town tomorrow with his.

Done... for now.

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