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MI Lawmakers Trying to Protect Their Own
12/1/2011 10:14:18 PM
After the recall of Paul Scott, MI Lawmakers are trying to change the MI recall laws to protect their own butts. WWJ Link
The recall camp put it well by stating, "Michigan’s current recall law gives voters recourse if officials adopt policies that voters weren’t anticipating when they elected candidates during a regularly scheduled election." Sounds fair to me. Its the voters in that district that can recall their lawmaker.
If the voters in your district dont like the decisions your making, then they should have the right to recall you. Taking that power away from the people takes away one of the few checks and balances that the people have. Its so easy for politicians to brush off complaints during election time. They just blame the person running against them for playing dirty and voters dont pay attention to it. When you complain and start a recall, it gets peoples attention and its harder for the politician to sweep it under the rug.
Why am I starting to feel like the Republican camp in Lansing has lost touch with the majority/middle class of MI. Maybe they just were never in touch and are just typical politicians. Tell us what we want to hear at election time, and then do what you want or your party wants no matter if its what the voters want.
The recall camp put it well by stating, "Michigan’s current recall law gives voters recourse if officials adopt policies that voters weren’t anticipating when they elected candidates during a regularly scheduled election." Sounds fair to me. Its the voters in that district that can recall their lawmaker.
If the voters in your district dont like the decisions your making, then they should have the right to recall you. Taking that power away from the people takes away one of the few checks and balances that the people have. Its so easy for politicians to brush off complaints during election time. They just blame the person running against them for playing dirty and voters dont pay attention to it. When you complain and start a recall, it gets peoples attention and its harder for the politician to sweep it under the rug.
Why am I starting to feel like the Republican camp in Lansing has lost touch with the majority/middle class of MI. Maybe they just were never in touch and are just typical politicians. Tell us what we want to hear at election time, and then do what you want or your party wants no matter if its what the voters want.
12/1/2011 10:27:24 PM
I am thinking just about ALL politicians in MI have lost their freaking minds. They are basically fighting over the shell of a burnt out house, expecting to turn it into a multimillion dollar condo complex that someone is going to want. Unfortunately, nobody does.... 
12/1/2011 11:02:37 PM
Originally Posted By cybersniper:
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Why am I starting to feel like the Republican camp in Lansing has lost touch with the majority/middle class of MI. Maybe they just were never in touch and are just typical politicians. Tell us what we want to hear at election time, and then do what you want or your party wants no matter if its what the voters want.
You got that right, brother.<snip>
Why am I starting to feel like the Republican camp in Lansing has lost touch with the majority/middle class of MI. Maybe they just were never in touch and are just typical politicians. Tell us what we want to hear at election time, and then do what you want or your party wants no matter if its what the voters want.
The first thing they did was vote to increase taxes on us.
Snyder is a RINO and is leading the Republicans by the nose.
12/2/2011 4:39:01 PM
Somehow I don't see this getting passed by the people.
12/13/2011 10:13:30 PM
ALL POLITICIANS ARE DIRTY! The best way I have ever heard it put: The movie The Hunt For Red October, the President's national security adviser (Jeffery Pelt) say's to Jack Ryan (Alec Baldwin): "Listen, I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops." That's the best explanation of a politician I have ever heard before.
12/17/2011 11:18:25 AM
Ya I didn't hear snyder run on the idea of busting the unions down. Demonizing teachers. Taxing pensions. Screwing the unemployed out of more benefits. Buying into the high speed rail bullshit. Because Detroit is such a damn hot spot for tourist. Oh ya, and after all that hoopla. The made a accounting mistake and found a BILLION dollars unaccounted for. I hated granholm with a passion. But she really never did anything. Snyder is a grade a asshole. His policies all follow this simple guideline. " FUCK THE LITTLE GUY. AND PAY ME MORE MONEY. I AM A BUSINESS MAN, AND YOU SHOULD JUST BE HAPPY I GRACE THIS STATE WITH MY PRESENCE".
12/28/2011 6:32:01 PM
If anything recalling legislators should be easier. They should be made "At-Will" employees subject to the satisfaction of the voting public. Anything less encourages corruption. Those in power blame the recall of a Flint Legislator on the MEA. While one might not like the MEA, I ask what happens when the folks in Lansing to oppose the gun owning public?
One good thing is that Michigan Secretary of State, Ruth Johnson , went on record opposing the effort, to make it more difficult to recall legislators. She said that making it more difficult to recall a legislator would be anti democratic and she was not referring to the Democratic party either.
One good thing is that Michigan Secretary of State, Ruth Johnson , went on record opposing the effort, to make it more difficult to recall legislators. She said that making it more difficult to recall a legislator would be anti democratic and she was not referring to the Democratic party either.
12/29/2011 7:13:24 AM
Originally Posted By HappyJack:
If anything recalling legislators should be easier. They should be made "At-Will" employees subject to the satisfaction of the voting public. Anything less encourages corruption. Those in power blame the recall of a Flint Legislator on the MEA. While one might not like the MEA, I ask what happens when the folks in Lansing to oppose the gun owning public?
One good thing is that Michigan Secretary of State, Ruth Johnson , went on record opposing the effort, to make it more difficult to recall legislators. She said that making it more difficult to recall a legislator would be anti democratic and she was not referring to the Democratic party either.
If anything recalling legislators should be easier. They should be made "At-Will" employees subject to the satisfaction of the voting public. Anything less encourages corruption. Those in power blame the recall of a Flint Legislator on the MEA. While one might not like the MEA, I ask what happens when the folks in Lansing to oppose the gun owning public?
One good thing is that Michigan Secretary of State, Ruth Johnson , went on record opposing the effort, to make it more difficult to recall legislators. She said that making it more difficult to recall a legislator would be anti democratic and she was not referring to the Democratic party either.
Only thing is....
WE AREN'T A FUCKING DEMOCRACY!
Lol
We
Are
A
Republic!
Why do none of these idiots in positions of power realize this? I fully agree that it shouldn't be TOO difficult to recall scumbags. Obviously, you would still need a LOT of pissed off people to do it, but it should NEVER be taken away from us.
12/29/2011 11:44:23 AM
I am on the fence about this. If you allow the people to recall elected leaders for anything then what's to stop the people from constantly trying to recall someone? There are two sides to every issue. If he votes one way, the other side is going to start a recall. Do you really believe that any politician is going to be able to vote 100% like their constituency when not everyone in their district has the identical viewpoint? It will turn into a political which hunt outside of the election cycle. What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians? Part of me believes that the power comes at the polls. No bad politician should survive past the next election. However we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term. It's not an issue with recalls.
I think you will find our politiians spending more time fighting off recalls than doing their jobs. Or at a minimum their staffs will be expanded to include recall experts.
I think you will find our politiians spending more time fighting off recalls than doing their jobs. Or at a minimum their staffs will be expanded to include recall experts.
12/29/2011 1:57:57 PM
Originally Posted By ShermiesRule:
I am on the fence about this. If you allow the people to recall elected leaders for anything then what's to stop the people from constantly trying to recall someone? There are two sides to every issue. If he votes one way, the other side is going to start a recall. Do you really believe that any politician is going to be able to vote 100% like their constituency when not everyone in their district has the identical viewpoint? It will turn into a political which hunt outside of the election cycle. What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians? Part of me believes that the power comes at the polls. No bad politician should survive past the next election. However we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term. It's not an issue with recalls.
I think you will find our politiians spending more time fighting off recalls than doing their jobs. Or at a minimum their staffs will be expanded to include recall experts.
I am on the fence about this. If you allow the people to recall elected leaders for anything then what's to stop the people from constantly trying to recall someone? There are two sides to every issue. If he votes one way, the other side is going to start a recall. Do you really believe that any politician is going to be able to vote 100% like their constituency when not everyone in their district has the identical viewpoint? It will turn into a political which hunt outside of the election cycle. What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians? Part of me believes that the power comes at the polls. No bad politician should survive past the next election. However we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term. It's not an issue with recalls.
I think you will find our politiians spending more time fighting off recalls than doing their jobs. Or at a minimum their staffs will be expanded to include recall experts.
Our politicians spend more time worrying about the polls and getting re-elected than doing their jobs. Recalls are usually the least of their worries as it takes a large effort to even get one on the ballot. As you stated "we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term". This is because they put so much effort into re-election. Any negative comments during the election are easily brushed off, even if true. However, a recall gets peoples attention and focus back to the actual action or lack of action by the politician.
You stated "What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians?". Who do you think gets them on the ballot now? The people? Its corporate money that gets them on the ballot in the first place. No politicaian gets elected with out private sector support. Not even the lowest level City councilman in a small town. Even he/she gets money from the local bar or grocery store owner.
Look at the circle of politics. The private sector buys the politicians. The politicians control the media. The media is owned by the private sector however is heavily influenced by the government. It all revolves around big corporations. Our freedom of press rights are more controlled than our gun rights. Think about it. Watch the local and state news. 75% of what they report is based on government press releases. Who are they always interviewing and quoting, goverment officals. The other 20% is based on corporate released news, "Apple did this today, MSN bought who today, Facebook is expanding to this today.." All that comes from the corporation releases. 5% will be actual investigative reporting, weather, and sports. The corporations already run american, not the politicians. Ever heard of a politician in the unemployment line? Nope, even if they dont get re-elected they pick up a job with one of the corporations they worked with.
Recall is one of the few checks the people have on political power. Take that away and any remnants of our democratic society goes with it. Yes we get to vote at the polls but dont forget what got them on the ballot in the first place.
12/29/2011 2:48:55 PM
Originally Posted By cybersniper:
Our politicians spend more time worrying about the polls and getting re-elected than doing their jobs. Recalls are usually the least of their worries as it takes a large effort to even get one on the ballot. As you stated "we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term". This is because they put so much effort into re-election. Any negative comments during the election are easily brushed off, even if true. However, a recall gets peoples attention and focus back to the actual action or lack of action by the politician.
You stated "What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians?". Who do you think gets them on the ballot now? The people? Its corporate money that gets them on the ballot in the first place. No politicaian gets elected with out private sector support. Not even the lowest level City councilman in a small town. Even he/she gets money from the local bar or grocery store owner.
Look at the circle of politics. The private sector buys the politicians. The politicians control the media. The media is owned by the private sector however is heavily influenced by the government. It all revolves around big corporations. Our freedom of press rights are more controlled than our gun rights. Think about it. Watch the local and state news. 75% of what they report is based on government press releases. Who are they always interviewing and quoting, goverment officals. The other 20% is based on corporate released news, "Apple did this today, MSN bought who today, Facebook is expanding to this today.." All that comes from the corporation releases. 5% will be actual investigative reporting, weather, and sports. The corporations already run american, not the politicians. Ever heard of a politician in the unemployment line? Nope, even if they dont get re-elected they pick up a job with one of the corporations they worked with.
Recall is one of the few checks the people have on political power. Take that away and any remnants of our democratic society goes with it. Yes we get to vote at the polls but dont forget what got them on the ballot in the first place.
Originally Posted By ShermiesRule:
I am on the fence about this. If you allow the people to recall elected leaders for anything then what's to stop the people from constantly trying to recall someone? There are two sides to every issue. If he votes one way, the other side is going to start a recall. Do you really believe that any politician is going to be able to vote 100% like their constituency when not everyone in their district has the identical viewpoint? It will turn into a political which hunt outside of the election cycle. What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians? Part of me believes that the power comes at the polls. No bad politician should survive past the next election. However we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term. It's not an issue with recalls.
I think you will find our politiians spending more time fighting off recalls than doing their jobs. Or at a minimum their staffs will be expanded to include recall experts.
I am on the fence about this. If you allow the people to recall elected leaders for anything then what's to stop the people from constantly trying to recall someone? There are two sides to every issue. If he votes one way, the other side is going to start a recall. Do you really believe that any politician is going to be able to vote 100% like their constituency when not everyone in their district has the identical viewpoint? It will turn into a political which hunt outside of the election cycle. What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians? Part of me believes that the power comes at the polls. No bad politician should survive past the next election. However we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term. It's not an issue with recalls.
I think you will find our politiians spending more time fighting off recalls than doing their jobs. Or at a minimum their staffs will be expanded to include recall experts.
Our politicians spend more time worrying about the polls and getting re-elected than doing their jobs. Recalls are usually the least of their worries as it takes a large effort to even get one on the ballot. As you stated "we end up with career politicians everyone loves to hate term after term after term". This is because they put so much effort into re-election. Any negative comments during the election are easily brushed off, even if true. However, a recall gets peoples attention and focus back to the actual action or lack of action by the politician.
You stated "What's to prevent the evil large corporations from finding ways to move out opposing politicians?". Who do you think gets them on the ballot now? The people? Its corporate money that gets them on the ballot in the first place. No politicaian gets elected with out private sector support. Not even the lowest level City councilman in a small town. Even he/she gets money from the local bar or grocery store owner.
Look at the circle of politics. The private sector buys the politicians. The politicians control the media. The media is owned by the private sector however is heavily influenced by the government. It all revolves around big corporations. Our freedom of press rights are more controlled than our gun rights. Think about it. Watch the local and state news. 75% of what they report is based on government press releases. Who are they always interviewing and quoting, goverment officals. The other 20% is based on corporate released news, "Apple did this today, MSN bought who today, Facebook is expanding to this today.." All that comes from the corporation releases. 5% will be actual investigative reporting, weather, and sports. The corporations already run american, not the politicians. Ever heard of a politician in the unemployment line? Nope, even if they dont get re-elected they pick up a job with one of the corporations they worked with.
Recall is one of the few checks the people have on political power. Take that away and any remnants of our democratic society goes with it. Yes we get to vote at the polls but dont forget what got them on the ballot in the first place.
We
are
not
a
democracy
