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L1A1 and FAL seized in London
2/27/2012 6:45:35 PM
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
2/27/2012 6:50:59 PM
Originally Posted By FALus:
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
Link?
2/27/2012 6:54:35 PM
2/27/2012 6:58:51 PM
2/27/2012 7:09:04 PM
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
2/27/2012 7:50:53 PM
Originally Posted By FALus:
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
2/27/2012 9:20:22 PM
Originally Posted By Badger66:
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
Originally Posted By FALus:
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
2/28/2012 12:14:14 AM
Looks like the sort of thing we saw Libyans unpacking in large numbers a few months ago.
2/28/2012 1:33:06 AM
I want one if I can fire it from 460 metres away!
2/28/2012 1:37:48 AM
Look new to me, not the usual deact tat you see at the proof house etc
2/28/2012 1:40:29 AM
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Look new to me, not the usual deact tat you see at the proof house etc
Look new to me, not the usual deact tat you see at the proof house etc
Was just thinking that myself, the L1 also has a top cover with a cut out for a top charger ala Canuck style, also the marks on the FAL's safety looks like it's been used on full chat quite a bit
2/28/2012 2:22:23 AM
Originally Posted By Badger66:
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
Originally Posted By FALus:
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
Nice rifles though
2/28/2012 2:29:09 AM
Originally Posted By rbecks:
Was just thinking that myself, the L1 also has a top cover with a cut out for a top charger ala Canuck style, also the marks on the FAL's safety looks like it's been used on full chat quite a bit
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Look new to me, not the usual deact tat you see at the proof house etc
Look new to me, not the usual deact tat you see at the proof house etc
Was just thinking that myself, the L1 also has a top cover with a cut out for a top charger ala Canuck style, also the marks on the FAL's safety looks like it's been used on full chat quite a bit
Interesting,
If Anaxes is right and these are similar to the ones we all saw being liberated in Libya a few months ago (and let's face it, there were a lot of them), it could lead you to the conclusion that tere may be many more "on the streets"
Stupid phrase
2/28/2012 2:40:31 AM
They're not the most compact of firearms to get ( smuggle) into Blighty though ?
I would have thought the risk of 10 yrs sharing with Mr Big would put that nonsense
out of most normal peoples heads
I would have thought the risk of 10 yrs sharing with Mr Big would put that nonsense
out of most normal peoples heads
2/28/2012 2:40:39 AM
Originally Posted By Badger66:
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
Originally Posted By FALus:
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
Not all of us know what an evidence box looks like.
2/28/2012 2:57:49 AM
Originally Posted By Winsx3:
They're not the most compact of firearms to get ( smuggle) into Blighty though ?
I would have thought the risk of 10 yrs sharing with Mr Big would put that nonsense
out of most normal peoples heads
They're not the most compact of firearms to get ( smuggle) into Blighty though ?
I would have thought the risk of 10 yrs sharing with Mr Big would put that nonsense
out of most normal peoples heads
People say the same thing about drug smuggling but it doesn't stop drugs coming into the country.
If you can flood the streets with drugs, you can flood them with guns.
2/28/2012 2:57:58 AM
There's a contact us with feedback option on the Met site. I coudn't resist it
I merely pointed out that the article suggested that the rifles could be fired by remote control, and would they care to elaborate?
I merely pointed out that the article suggested that the rifles could be fired by remote control, and would they care to elaborate?
2/28/2012 3:09:25 AM
Originally Posted By DavidTS:
There's a contact us with feedback option on the Met site. I coudn't resist it
I merely pointed out that the article suggested that the rifles could be fired by remote control, and would they care to elaborate?
There's a contact us with feedback option on the Met site. I coudn't resist it
I merely pointed out that the article suggested that the rifles could be fired by remote control, and would they care to elaborate?
Welcome to a watch list ;-) better put your tinfoil hat on ASAP !
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2/28/2012 3:10:59 AM
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
People say the same thing about drug smuggling but it doesn't stop drugs coming into the country.
If you can flood the streets with drugs, you can flood them with guns.
Originally Posted By Winsx3:
They're not the most compact of firearms to get ( smuggle) into Blighty though ?
I would have thought the risk of 10 yrs sharing with Mr Big would put that nonsense
out of most normal peoples heads
They're not the most compact of firearms to get ( smuggle) into Blighty though ?
I would have thought the risk of 10 yrs sharing with Mr Big would put that nonsense
out of most normal peoples heads
People say the same thing about drug smuggling but it doesn't stop drugs coming into the country.
If you can flood the streets with drugs, you can flood them with guns.
Yes, early days and we certainly know the facts, but it wouldn't be too hard to get them into the country via an overland or sea route.
Especially as they can be broken down.
I'm betting on them being the real deal
2/28/2012 3:11:10 AM
Originally Posted By Badger66:
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
Originally Posted By FALus:
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
The reason I'm questioning whether they're deacts or not, is that they both appear to be in identical cardboard boxes that have cutouts so that you can see the contents.
What you mean like evidence boxes ?
Little wonder that case evidence goes missing. It must fall out through the bloody great big hole in the box !!
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2/28/2012 3:12:43 AM
Looks like we're going to need a bigger gun..............
....or I could just stay at 465m and be safe.
....or I could just stay at 465m and be safe.2/28/2012 3:50:35 AM
Originally Posted By FALus:
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
..."Detective Chief Inspector Steve Wagstaff of the Central Task Force said: ".......The Self Loading Rifle (SLR) is an extremely devastating assault rifle and the seizure of two live weapons has meant that these weapons have now been taken off the streets of London."
DCI Wagstaff appears to have clarified the question.
Interesting case. I wonder what their plans for these rifles were, as no doubt do the Met.
2/28/2012 3:58:34 AM
Originally Posted By Wapinschaw_Shooter:
..."Detective Chief Inspector Steve Wagstaff of the Central Task Force said: ".......The Self Loading Rifle (SLR) is an extremely devastating assault rifle and the seizure of two live weapons has meant that these weapons have now been taken off the streets of London."
DCI Wagstaff appears to have clarified the question.
Interesting case. I wonder what their plans for these rifles were, as no doubt do the Met.
Originally Posted By FALus:
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
..."Detective Chief Inspector Steve Wagstaff of the Central Task Force said: ".......The Self Loading Rifle (SLR) is an extremely devastating assault rifle and the seizure of two live weapons has meant that these weapons have now been taken off the streets of London."
DCI Wagstaff appears to have clarified the question.
Interesting case. I wonder what their plans for these rifles were, as no doubt do the Met.
Well as the arrests appear to be in connection with Operation Trident (black on black) its fair to say they weren't upstanding citizens and are probably involved in a drug war.
2/28/2012 4:21:56 AM
Originally Posted By Wapinschaw_Shooter:
..."Detective Chief Inspector Steve Wagstaff of the Central Task Force said: ".......The Self Loading Rifle (SLR) is an extremely devastating assault rifle and the seizure of two live weapons has meant that these weapons have now been taken off the streets of London."
DCI Wagstaff appears to have clarified the question.
Interesting case. I wonder what their plans for these rifles were, as no doubt do the Met.
Originally Posted By FALus:
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
The MET have arrested a 29 year old man and a 23 year old woman in Edmonton after the seizure of a FAL and an L1A1.
I wonder if they're actually capable of firing live rounds or will turn out to be deacts?
..."Detective Chief Inspector Steve Wagstaff of the Central Task Force said: ".......The Self Loading Rifle (SLR) is an extremely devastating assault rifle and the seizure of two live weapons has meant that these weapons have now been taken off the streets of London."
DCI Wagstaff appears to have clarified the question.
Interesting case. I wonder what their plans for these rifles were, as no doubt do the Met.
good result in that case
2/28/2012 4:53:45 AM
I've had an acknowldgement to my email from the Met. Stay tuned
2/28/2012 5:16:55 AM
I'm sure there's a reason for such an oddly specific range. I'm sure the reason isn't a good one.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
2/28/2012 5:52:38 AM
Originally Posted By Rogue_UK:
I'm sure there's a reason for such an oddly specific range. I'm sure the reason isn't a good one.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
More likely the original comment was an arbitrary '500yards', ie 457m, so @460m
I'm sure there's a reason for such an oddly specific range. I'm sure the reason isn't a good one.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
Trident also take on other firearms stuff as they are already geared up for it, not just gangs..
Wanting such a weapon is a bit ominous though, as already mentioned, not the easiest of guns to conceal...
2/28/2012 6:00:33 AM
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
Originally Posted By Rogue_UK:
I'm sure there's a reason for such an oddly specific range. I'm sure the reason isn't a good one.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
More likely the original comment was an arbitrary '500yards', ie 457m, so @460m
I'm sure there's a reason for such an oddly specific range. I'm sure the reason isn't a good one.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
Trident also take on other firearms stuff as they are already geared up for it, not just gangs..
Wanting such a weapon is a bit ominous though, as already mentioned, not the easiest of guns to conceal...
Well I was trying to shy away from "it was in Edmonton so it was probably gang related" because that just sounds racist
2/28/2012 6:18:21 AM
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
Originally Posted By Rogue_UK:
I'm sure there's a reason for such an oddly specific range. I'm sure the reason isn't a good one.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
More likely the original comment was an arbitrary '500yards', ie 457m, so @460mI'm sure there's a reason for such an oddly specific range. I'm sure the reason isn't a good one.
Trident involvement suggests gang-related possession. I'm hoping it was obtained as an "opportunistic" measure, not because someone is deliberately planning engagements out to 600m. If they are, the Met better rethink its "stand quietly in a line with a tin stick and bit of acrylic" approach during the next riot season.
Trident also take on other firearms stuff as they are already geared up for it, not just gangs..
Wanting such a weapon is a bit ominous though, as already mentioned, not the easiest of guns to conceal...
I assume that when you go along to buy illegal guns, you dont turn down what's on offer.
Besides if they're going to go busting' into a rivals den in the dark of the night, I don't think they'll bee worrying too much about concealment.
Personally if I was plod, I'd be looking for a sneaky Uzbekistani that goes by the name of Boris
2/28/2012 8:14:08 AM
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Personally if I was plod, I'd be looking for a sneaky Uzbekistani that goes by the name of Boris
Personally if I was plod, I'd be looking for a sneaky Uzbekistani that goes by the name of Boris
When the Met reply to my email, i'll pass that bit of intelligence on
2/28/2012 8:19:28 AM
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2/28/2012 8:30:01 AM
Somebody probably found the deact certificates
2/28/2012 8:38:26 AM
Originally Posted By DaddyPig:
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2/28/2012 9:34:28 AM
Originally Posted By DavidTS:
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http://content.met.police.uk/News/Man-charged-with-firearms-offences-Upper-Edmonton/1400006911268/1257246741786
Originally Posted By DaddyPig:
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Mohammed Ismail
Interesting.......
Do you think he may be of Libyan descent?
2/28/2012 9:40:03 AM
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Mohammed Ismail
Interesting.......
Do you think he may be of Libyan descent?
Originally Posted By DavidTS:
Replace with this:
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Man-charged-with-firearms-offences-Upper-Edmonton/1400006911268/1257246741786
Originally Posted By DaddyPig:
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http://content.met.police.uk/News/Man-charged-with-firearms-offences-Upper-Edmonton/1400006911268/1257246741786
Mohammed Ismail
Interesting.......
Do you think he may be of Libyan descent?
Take your pick.....http://www.linkedin.com/search/fpsearch?fname=Mohammed&lname=Ismail&pplSearchOrigin=SEO_SN&trk=SEO_SN&csrfToken=guest_token&domainCountryName=
He's probably none of these.
2/28/2012 9:41:01 AM
Crims getting ready for the olympics too...
2/28/2012 9:41:36 AM
He'll be a Somali I'm sure.
2/28/2012 9:43:03 AM
Originally Posted By lynk:
Crims getting ready for the olympics too...
Crims getting ready for the olympics too...
Jihad is an Olympic event?
2/28/2012 9:51:35 AM
Not terrorism
2/28/2012 11:39:55 AM
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Not terrorism
Not terrorism
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
2/28/2012 11:46:37 AM
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Not terrorism
Not terrorism
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
That's what I've been thinking
2/28/2012 11:48:45 AM
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
All of them...........Originally Posted By Bradders:
Not terrorism
Not terrorism
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
2/28/2012 11:53:04 AM
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
All of them...........Originally Posted By Bradders:
Not terrorism
Not terrorism
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
Don't worry.
If any of us get caught up in an incident involving people carrying assault rifles intent on doing us harm, the law permits us to defend ourselves using a stiff upper lip and a cucumber sandwich.
2/28/2012 11:57:23 AM
Originally Posted By Wapinschaw_Shooter:
Jihad is an Olympic event?
Originally Posted By lynk:
Crims getting ready for the olympics too...
Crims getting ready for the olympics too...
Jihad is an Olympic event?
Just thinking that'd be a fairly suitable gun for a "Mumbai Style Attack"...
2/28/2012 11:59:13 AM
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
All of them...........Originally Posted By Bradders:
Not terrorism
Not terrorism
It does make you wonder..........
While I'm sure these incidents are fairly rare, and not wanting to detract from the success of stopping these two guns getting into the wrong hands it does beg the question, how many are still out there?
Well to start with, there's approx 35,000-40,000 Brocock's unaccounted for
How much of the IRA's haul was actually decommissioned ? 10% / 50 % ?
Who's to know ?
2/28/2012 11:59:58 AM
Originally Posted By lynk:
Just thinking that'd be a fairly suitable gun for a "Mumbai Style Attack"...
Originally Posted By Wapinschaw_Shooter:
Jihad is an Olympic event?
Originally Posted By lynk:
Crims getting ready for the olympics too...
Crims getting ready for the olympics too...
Jihad is an Olympic event?
Just thinking that'd be a fairly suitable gun for a "Mumbai Style Attack"...
Funny how we are all thinking the same thing.
Good job the UK Population is disarmed and incapable of defending themselves in the face of such an attack. Far better to be a victim than be trusted with the ability to defend oneself.
2/28/2012 12:18:34 PM
So it's not just me that thought it then...
At least in London around the Olympics there might be some armed police (or even members of the army) who could respond; the same can't be said for the same throughout the rest of the country.
Look what Derrick "d-bag" Bird was able to do.
At least in London around the Olympics there might be some armed police (or even members of the army) who could respond; the same can't be said for the same throughout the rest of the country.
Look what Derrick "d-bag" Bird was able to do.
2/28/2012 1:51:20 PM
2/28/2012 1:55:35 PM
Old news.... That was middle of last year.....
2/28/2012 2:02:17 PM
i suspect that much of this is an arms race between gangs, which if they are just going to slot oneanother is a fairly contained situation.........in theory at least.
Even so, it is somewhat un-nerving that firepower like this is out there and in thre hands of people who have little or no regard for the law, or the safety of others, or worse still with outright hostile intent against what is a largely unarmed populace.
The whole "Mumbai" scenario seems to be a serious consideration, especially given the Olympics and the impending media spotlight that will be on the UK.
2/28/2012 2:07:05 PM
Anybody considering some sort of attack will probably be planning to strike somewhere other than the Olympic stadium. Why attack somewhere crawling with security, police, army etc when you could pick some innocuous suburban town.
That would be piss easy with no police presence and put the fear of God (or allah) into the whole country.
That would be piss easy with no police presence and put the fear of God (or allah) into the whole country.
