Zero question

If you have to shoot at 25m, 50m, 75m 100m, 200m & 300m, but can only zero at one of these distances, which would you choose?

300

+1 for 100

300

Yes, I think 300 too - ref the thread about sight settings for the January CQB fest.

Also rougly equates to typical battle sight on say a No4.

300 is roughly the same POA as 25 for 5.56 out of the service rifle. Everything else is just a bit of aiming off.

300

300

300m

Interesting. Thanks for the responses all. I would go for 300 too, but in practice I only have regular access to 200 so use that.

No-one went for 25 then.......that's a relief

Incidentally it's not for 5.56mm, but .308 165grn, BC 0.348, at @2700-2800fps.

25

The same logic applies for 233, 303, 308 etc.

You don't need a 300m range to zero for 300m Here's some Data for the L1A1 for example

100 meters
Iron set at: 300m .............. Correct Zero Position in Relation to Point Of Aim (POA) in Millimeters: .............. 125mm Above
SUIT set at: 300m .............. Correct Zero Position in Relation to Point Of Aim (POA) in Millimeters: .............. 150mm Above, 25mm Right
IWS set at: 200m .............. Correct Zero Position in Relation to Point Of Aim (POA) in Millimeters: .............. 113mm Above, 25mm Right

25 meters
Iron set at: 300m .............. Correct Zero Position in Relation to Point Of Aim (POA) in Millimeters: .............. 13mm Above
SUIT set at: 300m .............. Correct Zero Position in Relation to Point Of Aim (POA) in Millimeters: .............. 25mm Right
IWS set at: 200m .............. Correct Zero Position in Relation to Point Of Aim (POA)

Here is a diagram for the AR explaining why this works.


After you have your Zero best practice is then to conduct application of fire practice to confirm points of aim for different fire positions and fill out shooters record cards/log sadly in the UK forces the application of fire stage gets seldom done due to time constraints

Thank you, I know.

Well lets not hope there are a lot more of those L1A1/FAL rifles out there or your shit out of luck with a 25m zero for 460m engagement,
unless your at 465m

M16A2 zeroing target for acquiring a 300m zero at 25m with M855 ammo (62gn)

FFS are you lot trying to confuse me

50 same as 200 ......

You're also shit out of luck @ 465m if all you've got is a 9mm pistol and a G36c, and your opponent has an L1A1/FAL and knows how to use it...

Well I plan to be at @160,000m so I should be ok

I believe there were some training opportunities for L1A1 and FAL owners in Libya fairly recently.......

It's the same(ish) as 300 so if you want a 300 zero but can only go to 200, zeroing at 25 would be the better choice for a battle zero.

This thread reinforces my view that it is sometimes better NOT to know something

In this case, I wish I didn't know that the armed plod out on the streets 'protecting and serving' me probably have inadequately zeroed firearms and insufficient training time to learn their points of aim for likely engagement distances

The hundred yard snipers? Not much aiming off required

Someone should write to the Mail or Express and tell them that one of Britains TacticalnFirearms elite is asking on an Internet forum how to zero his gun. I'm sure that'll go down a storm

Heaven forbid any of these boys in blue ever come up against anyone that actually knows what they're doing

Plod1 - So how far away do you reckon that solicitor is?

Plod2 - Dunno mate, about 25 yards I'd say just like what we practised last year on that Melville range

Plod1 - He's making a right pest of himself, a bit naughty, I think we should take him down

Plod2 - Alright, its your go

Plod1 - So how does this telescope tube sight fingy work

Plod2 - Dunno thats why I'm in CO19

Plod1 - It says minutes on the volume control, what time is it now

Plod2 - Half past three

Plod1 - Alright I'll set it on that

Plod2 - Alright, shoot im and if he don't go horizontal, I'll leg over the wall and give im a Brazilian wiv me glock

Plod 1 - ?

Plod2 - 8 in the head

Plod 1 - OK, here goes

BANG

Plod2 - Yep he's fallen over, nice one mate

Plod1 - Thanks mate

Plod2 - Good job really, I left me Glock in Maccy Dees when I went for a dump


This is a fictitious conversation and any resemblance to Police SOP is purely co-incidental.

Actually a Brazilian is 7 in the head, 1 in the shoulder and 3 misses.....all at PBR

...And there was me thinking it was a form of ...ahem ... hair styling

What you do with grown men in your own time...

Is a Wookie a bear?

Britain's Tactical Elite? ..........who's that then?

You're only supposed to stop them not blow them to smithereens

Seriously though, for the uninitiated it would probably be a concern

There's an initiation?...I must have missed that bit. Probably having coffee and doughnuts. Actually doughnuts have been banned in my Force...............really can't talk about it

No it's deffinatley a honey monster

..but is a Honey Monster a bear?

The wookie is down, I repeat the wookie is down

I have only met two officers who have completed a police sniper course.

The first hung way back during the stalk excercise and worked out the pattern of the observers. He sprinted a few metres at a time and threw himself flat. Repeated this until within range and passed the stalking stage !!

The second was giving it large about just becoming a fully qualified sniper when he was asked about firing from a roof. "So, when you are firing down to street level at a steep angle, say from a four story roof, would you have to aim high or low ?". He did not have an idea. "So, you are a sniper in a police force serving in the capital city. The chances of firing at or from a steep angle are quite high. And you dont know how it affects your bullet impact ?" He blustered that it was complicated and us mere non snipers would not understand.

Double tap

Uk Police do not use snipers. They have Rifle Capability Providers........................

..clearly a non-sniper

Aim high I'd say, but I am no sniper...
-S

Would depend, what range did he zero at?

I'm shooting at 200yd tomorrow, any idea what the drop would be with a 55gr round between 200 and 300?

You've got sighting shots at 1, 2 and 300 according to course of fire

I'm not doing CSR, just MOD range here in the Norf.

Could look at the diagram on page 1

Depends on your primary zero

Ever wonder why most armies zero for 300m? It enables you to shoot center of mass all the way out to 300m so no remembering hold overs !

If you for whatever reason choose 200m POI is approximately 10" lower At 300m which oddly enough is pretty near to what it was high at 200m for a 300m zero funny old thing that!

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