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Talk To Me About The C-Rums Welded Lifter / Carrier For Benelli's
4/19/2011 2:48:22 PM
I have heard about this mod quite a few times from various people, and in most, if not all, cases, it is highly recomended.
I was just wondering if somebody could give me the concept / purpose of this mod, and what exactly it does.
I know this is probably impossible, but is there any way to prevent the carrier from springing down when you load? As in stay up like the Supernova's? I had a Supernova and it was a dream to load since you didnt have to fight the carrier every time you load a shell.
I also asked the same question in the shotgun section of the armory, but I thought you 3-Gun boys would be able to tell me more about it.
I was just wondering if somebody could give me the concept / purpose of this mod, and what exactly it does.
I know this is probably impossible, but is there any way to prevent the carrier from springing down when you load? As in stay up like the Supernova's? I had a Supernova and it was a dream to load since you didnt have to fight the carrier every time you load a shell.
I also asked the same question in the shotgun section of the armory, but I thought you 3-Gun boys would be able to tell me more about it.
4/19/2011 3:18:28 PM
It keeps your Benelli from biting you.
I had to type this a few times to make it PG-13 but let's just say that loading on a stock Benelli is loading without consent, you're going to get hurt.
ETA: It would be great if Benelli made a shotgun like the M1/M2/M3/M4 that when you depressed the lifter, it stayed depressed and dropped whenever the trigger was pulled or the shell drop lever was pushed.
I had to type this a few times to make it PG-13 but let's just say that loading on a stock Benelli is loading without consent, you're going to get hurt.
ETA: It would be great if Benelli made a shotgun like the M1/M2/M3/M4 that when you depressed the lifter, it stayed depressed and dropped whenever the trigger was pulled or the shell drop lever was pushed.
4/19/2011 3:33:41 PM
I started shooting shotgun on a Supernova, and fell in love with the lifter that stayed up (nothing naughty intended). Anyways, the first time I loaded & shot my friends M2, needless to say, my thumb got chewed up REAL bad and i said quite a few swear words.
Now I shoot an HK marked Montefeltro, so I encounter this issue every time I shoot now. A lifter that stayed up like you and I said would be amazing.
So I see the difference in the lifter, before & after, but I guess I don't understand how it prevents it from biting you. I am guesing it is because there is no more "claws", the two prongs on the outside, as it is now flat across the front. Does it change how the lifter lifts the shell or anything like that?
ETA: I always seem to push the shell in okay, but when I pull my thumb out, thats when it tears up the back of the knuckle of my thumb. I am assuming the welded piece eliminates the edge and thus doesnt catch your thumb.
Now I shoot an HK marked Montefeltro, so I encounter this issue every time I shoot now. A lifter that stayed up like you and I said would be amazing.
So I see the difference in the lifter, before & after, but I guess I don't understand how it prevents it from biting you. I am guesing it is because there is no more "claws", the two prongs on the outside, as it is now flat across the front. Does it change how the lifter lifts the shell or anything like that?
ETA: I always seem to push the shell in okay, but when I pull my thumb out, thats when it tears up the back of the knuckle of my thumb. I am assuming the welded piece eliminates the edge and thus doesnt catch your thumb.
4/19/2011 4:44:56 PM
Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
ETA: I always seem to push the shell in okay, but when I pull my thumb out, thats when it tears up the back of the knuckle of my thumb. I am assuming the welded piece eliminates the edge and thus doesnt catch your thumb.
ETA: I always seem to push the shell in okay, but when I pull my thumb out, thats when it tears up the back of the knuckle of my thumb. I am assuming the welded piece eliminates the edge and thus doesnt catch your thumb.
Yup, that's the whole point!
I started shooting shotgun on a Supernova, and fell in love with the lifter that stayed up (nothing naughty intended).
We could have plenty of fun with this whole discussion about shoving fingers in places they don't belong (THROUGH UNMODIFIED OEM BENELLI LOADING GATES, GET YOUR DANG MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!) but my inner voice is telling me to grow up so I'll have to leave it at that.
Get your loading gates welded people.
4/19/2011 6:13:19 PM
What I don't understand is why Benelli insists on still using this lifter / carrier, even after the numerous complaints, and the infamous "Benelli Thumb" nickname. They got it right on the Supernova, buy why can't they make a semi that uses that same technology?
They come up with crio barrels, comfortech stocks, Argo gas systems, but yet they can't fix their damn lifters? WTF
And it's not like we are buying a 200 dollar gun and complaining. Most, if not all, of their semis are over a grand. Even HK Marked M1's are still bringing top dollar.
They come up with crio barrels, comfortech stocks, Argo gas systems, but yet they can't fix their damn lifters? WTF
And it's not like we are buying a 200 dollar gun and complaining. Most, if not all, of their semis are over a grand. Even HK Marked M1's are still bringing top dollar.
4/19/2011 6:47:04 PM
Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
What I don't understand is why Benelli insists on still using this lifter / carrier, even after the numerous complaints, and the infamous "Benelli Thumb" nickname. They got it right on the Supernova, buy why can't they make a semi that uses that same technology?
They come up with crio barrels, comfortech stocks, Argo gas systems, but yet they can't fix their damn lifters? WTF
And it's not like we are buying a 200 dollar gun and complaining. Most, if not all, of their semis are over a grand. Even HK Marked M1's are still bringing top dollar.
What I don't understand is why Benelli insists on still using this lifter / carrier, even after the numerous complaints, and the infamous "Benelli Thumb" nickname. They got it right on the Supernova, buy why can't they make a semi that uses that same technology?
They come up with crio barrels, comfortech stocks, Argo gas systems, but yet they can't fix their damn lifters? WTF
And it's not like we are buying a 200 dollar gun and complaining. Most, if not all, of their semis are over a grand. Even HK Marked M1's are still bringing top dollar.
Yup, with the start of their shooting team, I hope that they become receptive to the requests of their customers involved in competition shooting.
They make a great product that needs few changes. Until then we'll have to bust out the files and blowtorches!
4/20/2011 12:17:56 PM
I sent Jeff an email at C-Rums last night. He seems to be a good guy to work with. I told him what I had, the Benelli Montefeltro, and that I wasnt sure how to get him the lifter, as I havent taken apart my trigger assembly. He told me that if I wanted to, I could send the whole trigger group, and he would take it apart for me. He also stated that the Monte lifter is slightly different then the M series, so I would have to send him mine.
He quoted 45 bucks, including return shipping, and also quoted 2 weeks turn-around time. I was hopping to do some shooting mothers day weekend, but those plans have changed, so I just might send it off to him the begining of next week.
He quoted 45 bucks, including return shipping, and also quoted 2 weeks turn-around time. I was hopping to do some shooting mothers day weekend, but those plans have changed, so I just might send it off to him the begining of next week.
4/20/2011 5:57:23 PM
Jeff welded up the carrier on my FN SLP––outstanding job,by far the best shotgun mod I ever paid for.
4/21/2011 1:15:36 AM
Another +1 for Jeff. The turnaround time for my lifter was about ten days. Just got my M1S90 bolt back today after having him lighten it. Can't wait to get it together and out to the range.
4/21/2011 7:31:22 AM
Best (and cleanest) analogy I've heard so far.
It turns a fork/spork into a spoon.
It turns a fork/spork into a spoon.
4/21/2011 4:13:16 PM
+1 on Jeffs work.....
4/22/2011 1:38:01 AM
My M2 isnt welded and I havent been bitten in like 3 years now, so I've opted not to have it welded... No point in getting mods done to a working rifle unless you really know that it will improve things.
I say play around with it and learn how to load it right, chances are you wont even need the lifter welded.
I say play around with it and learn how to load it right, chances are you wont even need the lifter welded.
4/22/2011 6:33:00 PM
He did mine a few years ago.
TOTALLY WORTH IT
TOTALLY WORTH IT
4/23/2011 10:34:05 AM
for those talking about why benelli doesn't fix this... I was under the impression that the spork design was a saftey thing like there was a chance of a primer strike on the primer. I of course have never heard of a modified gun going off while cycling but I thought that was why we are forced to suffer.
5/3/2011 11:06:26 PM
He has done both my M1 and M2. Got tired of blood running down my thumb.
Although the cheap fix is to tape up the end of your thumb .
Lifter fix looks better though.
Although the cheap fix is to tape up the end of your thumb .
Lifter fix looks better though.
5/7/2011 9:55:37 AM
Another +1 for Jeff. Great work on my SLP.
5/8/2011 12:28:55 PM
+1 for Jeff.
He did my Benelli and I love it. No more benelli thumb when I am going fast.
He did my Benelli and I love it. No more benelli thumb when I am going fast.
5/10/2011 9:27:24 AM
I think I have a new problem guys.
I went out shooting this past weekend, and needles to say, I tore up my thumb pretty bad to start with. I think I have a different problem though, and I know how to fix it.
When I was loading the shells, my thumb wasnt exactly centered in relation to the carrier. What was happening, was that my knuckle was riding in the slot in the carrier, and then when it hit the end of the slot, the metal was shaving the skin off my knuckle.
Obviously, to fix this, I just have to make sure my thumb is more centered in the carrier, and when I tried that, no issues. I also didnt have too big of an issue with the "fork" biting my thumb, as I am careful of how I push the shell into the tube so that it doesnt bite me.
I did have a few time though where I got a little excited and pushed the shell too hard into the tube, and most of my thumb went into the tube as well. I had to be super carefull when I pulled it out to avoid any biting.
TBH, if I fix my issue with centering my thumb, and relax when I load, I shouldnt need to get my carrier welded.
BTW, I went through 250 shells, all 7 1/2 shot Federal, 3 Dram, and had not one isse at all.
I also have a 3 Gun Gear 2 Pak on it, which I finally got to use. I really like it allot. I found myself tilting the shotgun to the left so the ejection port was more visible, reaching over with my weak hand, dropping the shell in, and hitting the bolt release. I was very smooth with this, and was pretty quick too, allot quickr then I thought. I also did not practice this at home, so this was a learning / partice thing. If I am doing it wrong, please let me know.
Here is also a pic of said shotgun
I went out shooting this past weekend, and needles to say, I tore up my thumb pretty bad to start with. I think I have a different problem though, and I know how to fix it.
When I was loading the shells, my thumb wasnt exactly centered in relation to the carrier. What was happening, was that my knuckle was riding in the slot in the carrier, and then when it hit the end of the slot, the metal was shaving the skin off my knuckle.
Obviously, to fix this, I just have to make sure my thumb is more centered in the carrier, and when I tried that, no issues. I also didnt have too big of an issue with the "fork" biting my thumb, as I am careful of how I push the shell into the tube so that it doesnt bite me.
I did have a few time though where I got a little excited and pushed the shell too hard into the tube, and most of my thumb went into the tube as well. I had to be super carefull when I pulled it out to avoid any biting.
TBH, if I fix my issue with centering my thumb, and relax when I load, I shouldnt need to get my carrier welded.
BTW, I went through 250 shells, all 7 1/2 shot Federal, 3 Dram, and had not one isse at all.
I also have a 3 Gun Gear 2 Pak on it, which I finally got to use. I really like it allot. I found myself tilting the shotgun to the left so the ejection port was more visible, reaching over with my weak hand, dropping the shell in, and hitting the bolt release. I was very smooth with this, and was pretty quick too, allot quickr then I thought. I also did not practice this at home, so this was a learning / partice thing. If I am doing it wrong, please let me know.
Here is also a pic of said shotgun
5/10/2011 10:12:27 AM
You never *need* to get your carrier welded.
It just helps because under adrenaline, you WILL screw up your thumb position, fumble shells, and ocassionally stick your thumb in the tube... with a welded carrier the difference is bleeding, or not bleeding.
Fighting out two more days of a match with a very sore thumb is what we are trying to avoid.
It just helps because under adrenaline, you WILL screw up your thumb position, fumble shells, and ocassionally stick your thumb in the tube... with a welded carrier the difference is bleeding, or not bleeding.
Fighting out two more days of a match with a very sore thumb is what we are trying to avoid.
5/10/2011 1:34:32 PM
What FALARAK said. +1
Under pressure, you will eventually fumble or load it at slightly wrong angle. Unless you have really fat thumbs....
Just takes another potential painful problem from the mix.
Craig
Under pressure, you will eventually fumble or load it at slightly wrong angle. Unless you have really fat thumbs....
Just takes another potential painful problem from the mix.
Craig
