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50 yard max range multi-gun event.... rifle choice, holster choice
4/21/2011 8:18:44 AM
I seached and couldn't find anything about 3/Multi-Gun and SBRs.... my search Fu is anemic....
I have never competed and I want to start (2-Gun, pistol/rifle), but I am kind of torn as to which AR I should use. Out of my ARs, the ones that I am the most accurate with are my 10.5" and my 14.5" truck gun (very basic, but dependable). The only real issue is that my Aimpoint is zeroed for the 10.5" and it is slightly off at 20 yards on the 14.5". I am pretty good with the irons on the 14.5", but nowhere near as fast or accurate as I am with the 10.5" and the Aimpoint, especially past 25 yards. Most 3 gun videos and setup pics that I have seen show 16"+ ARs. Are most people running these because they are shooting at extended ranges 100-200 yards or is there some other reason? I have seen SBRs used, but very little. The 10.5" is my 'go to' gun and I would prefer to train/compete with it as I rarely shoot anything else, including the truck gun. It runs great with the ammo that I will be using. The regs for the club that I want to participate with say....
"You only need an AR-15 style rifle, about 200 rounds of ammo, hearing protection (electronic preferred), three magazines, and a good attitude. A Boonie Packer Chamber Flag is required for every rifle you bring. If you don't have one, they will be available for sale at the range for $3."
The only handgun that I have is a G19 and I use a Clip draw for carry, so I have no holster. Would a Serpa paddle holster be a decent choice to start with? It looks like it may offer easy to manipulate retention. I'm not trying the 'cheap out', but I don't want to buy something expensive that I may change my mind about and lose a lot of money on if I decide to dump it. Any other ideas?
These are the basic regs that apply to pistols....
" •A good outside the waistband holster drawn from your strong side. A good belt mounted or a thigh rig is acceptable.
*** NO CROSS DRAW OR CHEST RIG MOUNTED HOLSTERS *** "
Any help/direction appreciated.
I have never competed and I want to start (2-Gun, pistol/rifle), but I am kind of torn as to which AR I should use. Out of my ARs, the ones that I am the most accurate with are my 10.5" and my 14.5" truck gun (very basic, but dependable). The only real issue is that my Aimpoint is zeroed for the 10.5" and it is slightly off at 20 yards on the 14.5". I am pretty good with the irons on the 14.5", but nowhere near as fast or accurate as I am with the 10.5" and the Aimpoint, especially past 25 yards. Most 3 gun videos and setup pics that I have seen show 16"+ ARs. Are most people running these because they are shooting at extended ranges 100-200 yards or is there some other reason? I have seen SBRs used, but very little. The 10.5" is my 'go to' gun and I would prefer to train/compete with it as I rarely shoot anything else, including the truck gun. It runs great with the ammo that I will be using. The regs for the club that I want to participate with say....
"You only need an AR-15 style rifle, about 200 rounds of ammo, hearing protection (electronic preferred), three magazines, and a good attitude. A Boonie Packer Chamber Flag is required for every rifle you bring. If you don't have one, they will be available for sale at the range for $3."
The only handgun that I have is a G19 and I use a Clip draw for carry, so I have no holster. Would a Serpa paddle holster be a decent choice to start with? It looks like it may offer easy to manipulate retention. I'm not trying the 'cheap out', but I don't want to buy something expensive that I may change my mind about and lose a lot of money on if I decide to dump it. Any other ideas?
These are the basic regs that apply to pistols....
" •A good outside the waistband holster drawn from your strong side. A good belt mounted or a thigh rig is acceptable.
*** NO CROSS DRAW OR CHEST RIG MOUNTED HOLSTERS *** "
Any help/direction appreciated.
4/21/2011 10:14:54 AM
Inside 150 yards shoot the SBR. I am a lot quicker on the trigger with my shorty than with a longer barrell. It is more important to be familiar with your rifle anyway.
For a holster, bladetech DOH is what a lot of people use. What kind of gear are you planning on using to carry extra mags? If you are going from the belt you might want to look at buying a good stiff belt.
For a holster, bladetech DOH is what a lot of people use. What kind of gear are you planning on using to carry extra mags? If you are going from the belt you might want to look at buying a good stiff belt.
4/21/2011 12:08:30 PM
Assuming both rifles are equally reliable, for matches under 50 yards you should run the SBR. Make sure you know where it hits at close range (remember to account for bore-sight offset at close range).
For carrying the pistol, get a cheap Uncle Mikes or similar molded Kydex holster rather than the SERPA - no sense in struggling with a retention device at your first match. Do NOT use the ClipDraw device.
For carrying the pistol, get a cheap Uncle Mikes or similar molded Kydex holster rather than the SERPA - no sense in struggling with a retention device at your first match. Do NOT use the ClipDraw device.
4/21/2011 2:14:27 PM
Wait, you stick a Glock in your pants without a holster?
4/21/2011 2:47:12 PM
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
Wait, you stick a Glock in your pants without a holster?
Wait, you stick a Glock in your pants without a holster?
I know a lot of people think it is crazy, but I prefer discipline over a holster. I have been carrying this way for years , even with a 1911 (GASP!!!!!
) while in Con 1. The finger never enters the guard until my eyes see the sights. It has never been a big deal to me.4/21/2011 2:53:15 PM
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
I know a lot of people think it is crazy, but I prefer discipline over a holster. I have been carrying this way for years , even with a 1911 (GASP!!!!! ) while in Con 1. The finger never enters the guard until my eyes see the sights. It has never been a big deal to me.
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
Wait, you stick a Glock in your pants without a holster?
Wait, you stick a Glock in your pants without a holster?
I know a lot of people think it is crazy, but I prefer discipline over a holster. I have been carrying this way for years , even with a 1911 (GASP!!!!!
) while in Con 1. The finger never enters the guard until my eyes see the sights. It has never been a big deal to me.No matter how disciplined you are, I can accidentally and unknowingly set your Glock off by bumping into you with a key chain on my belt.
What happens if you catch the corner of a table in the right spot? A small child runs up to give you a hug and grabs your Glock on the trigger?
No amount of discipline will keep your firearm in a safe condition in either of those scenarios.
Carrying a loaded firearm, especially one without an external safety, without covering the trigger, is dangerous.
I'm sure you would be upset (and I would be too) if you sent one through your pocket. If it didn't hit you or me, it's going to stop somewhere.
Even if you are not concerned with your personal safety, I would recommend you get a holster for the safety of those around you. In fact - if I'm ever in a place where someone is carrying a firearm like this; it's a place I'm going to leave.
4/21/2011 2:58:22 PM
I don't think it's crazy. I think its pretty stupid. A holster is cheap insurance. It's not your trigger discipline you should be worried about, it's some other x factor that you won't see coming until your gun discharges into your femoral artery.
4/21/2011 3:51:53 PM
The popularity of full sized ARs in 3 Gun is typically NOT due to the fact that targets are engaged at longer distances, although that can be a factor at some matches. Other reasons include the fact that longer barreled rifles have full length gas systems which "recoil" less (as in cause less gun movement when fired). Longer barrels allow for full length handguards which improve the shooters stance by allowing the shooter to place the support hand farther out which improves both recoil control and pointability.
If you want to shoot your SBR. Then do it! Go out, have fun and learn something. But full size guns pretty much rule the roost in 3 gun. Nearly all (there are some exceptions) of the top shooters shoot ARs with 18 or 20 inch barrels.
Pistol holster? That's easy. Safariland!
If you want to shoot your SBR. Then do it! Go out, have fun and learn something. But full size guns pretty much rule the roost in 3 gun. Nearly all (there are some exceptions) of the top shooters shoot ARs with 18 or 20 inch barrels.
Pistol holster? That's easy. Safariland!
4/21/2011 8:35:26 PM
Originally Posted By Kelly-Neal:
The popularity of full sized ARs in 3 Gun is typically NOT due to the fact that targets are engaged at longer distances, although that can be a factor at some matches. Other reasons include the fact that longer barreled rifles have full length gas systems which "recoil" less (as in cause less gun movement when fired). Longer barrels allow for full length handguards which improve the shooters stance by allowing the shooter to place the support hand farther out which improves both recoil control and pointability.
If you want to shoot your SBR. Then do it! Go out, have fun and learn something. But full size guns pretty much rule the roost in 3 gun. Nearly all (there are some exceptions) of the top shooters shoot ARs with 18 or 20 inch barrels.
Pistol holster? That's easy. Safariland!
The popularity of full sized ARs in 3 Gun is typically NOT due to the fact that targets are engaged at longer distances, although that can be a factor at some matches. Other reasons include the fact that longer barreled rifles have full length gas systems which "recoil" less (as in cause less gun movement when fired). Longer barrels allow for full length handguards which improve the shooters stance by allowing the shooter to place the support hand farther out which improves both recoil control and pointability.
If you want to shoot your SBR. Then do it! Go out, have fun and learn something. But full size guns pretty much rule the roost in 3 gun. Nearly all (there are some exceptions) of the top shooters shoot ARs with 18 or 20 inch barrels.
Pistol holster? That's easy. Safariland!
Very well stated. My 10.5" is somewhat heavy for its size. About 7 lbs. I'm going to run it
Thank you for the words of encouragement.
4/22/2011 10:58:56 AM
Let us know how you did.
4/22/2011 10:11:40 PM
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
4/23/2011 1:41:00 AM
Originally Posted By Meta4:
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
4/23/2011 11:43:58 AM
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
4/23/2011 2:05:09 PM
Originally Posted By Meta4:
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
I've been leaning toward the Black Ice unit, but the Safariland ELS system looks very well thought out too. This is kind of a tough one.
4/23/2011 6:00:08 PM
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
I've been leaning toward the Black Ice unit, but the Safariland ELS system looks very well thought out too. This is kind of a tough one.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
I've been leaning toward the Black Ice unit, but the Safariland ELS system looks very well thought out too. This is kind of a tough one.
Look at the DOH from Blade-tech. That is the holster in 3-gun and production. It is allmost as fast as a race holster and the gun wont fall out.
4/23/2011 7:44:40 PM
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
Look at the DOH from Blade-tech. That is the holster in 3-gun and production. It is allmost as fast as a race holster and the gun wont fall out.
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
I've been leaning toward the Black Ice unit, but the Safariland ELS system looks very well thought out too. This is kind of a tough one.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
I've been leaning toward the Black Ice unit, but the Safariland ELS system looks very well thought out too. This is kind of a tough one.
Look at the DOH from Blade-tech. That is the holster in 3-gun and production. It is allmost as fast as a race holster and the gun wont fall out.
I was looking at that one, but thought it might be too "high speed" for a newb like myself
Any recommendation for a belt that will work best with it?
4/23/2011 11:31:19 PM
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
I was looking at that one, but thought it might be too "high speed" for a newb like myself Any recommendation for a belt that will work best with it?
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
Look at the DOH from Blade-tech. That is the holster in 3-gun and production. It is allmost as fast as a race holster and the gun wont fall out.
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
I've been leaning toward the Black Ice unit, but the Safariland ELS system looks very well thought out too. This is kind of a tough one.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Originally Posted By Meta4:
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
You'll be fine with the SBR, but you'll definitely need a holster for your pistol. Any competent range officer is going to require you to use a holster that completely covers the trigger.
Absolutely.
I am torn between Bladetech and the Safariland. I usually think about purchases for a while before making them, no matter how small or large.
Although holsters are definitely an issue of personal preference, I love the Blade-Tech Kydex holsters. I prefer Tek-Lok, but pretty much everything they sell is also available with belt clips.
I've been leaning toward the Black Ice unit, but the Safariland ELS system looks very well thought out too. This is kind of a tough one.
Look at the DOH from Blade-tech. That is the holster in 3-gun and production. It is allmost as fast as a race holster and the gun wont fall out.
I was looking at that one, but thought it might be too "high speed" for a newb like myself
Any recommendation for a belt that will work best with it?
easy, CR Speed.
Or you could just use a Wilderness 5 stitch belt.
If you go with the Wilderness belt, the Blade-tech DOH and a Pistol and rifle mag Pouch you will be GTG. and this is gear that you will allways have a use for.
jmo
4/25/2011 1:39:16 AM
I participate in a similar local match. Everything is under 65yd, most within 15yd, 2-gun, only a few mag changes. Only a couple guys run SBRs. I run my 14.5" carbine because it's what I'm most comfortable with.
I know many guys don't like SERPAs because of the retention device but I run a SERPA and find the retention latch very natural to hit in the process of drawing. I've never had an issue with it even in my 1st 2 matches where I was a little nervous. Just like the rifle, It's just a matter of what you're most comfortable with. As for extra mags, I like HSGI double Tacos, and simply run it on my belt (Wilderness 5-stitch).
I know many guys don't like SERPAs because of the retention device but I run a SERPA and find the retention latch very natural to hit in the process of drawing. I've never had an issue with it even in my 1st 2 matches where I was a little nervous. Just like the rifle, It's just a matter of what you're most comfortable with. As for extra mags, I like HSGI double Tacos, and simply run it on my belt (Wilderness 5-stitch).
