Trigger for a DCM rifle?

I'm putting together a DCM rifle and would appreciate you guy's input on wich trigger to use. Thanks

If you are on a budget I would go with the rra two stage trigger. i have purchased two of them and have been very happy with them. the trigger pull isnt crazy light like the higher end triggers, but my dad and I both love them over the mil-spec.

Geiselle trigger is the most popular trigger in this sport and well worth its premium price.

I've never competed. That said , I have a fully adjustable "Jewell" two stage in my DCM legal A2.
I love it, I have the same trigger in my varmit AR.

I have the RRA NM trigger. The older one before they did a QC overhaul or something along those lines. I believe they addressed some issues where they would wear out relatively quickly.

Minem is actually a bit under weight right now. I have probably 2k rounds on mine.

One of these days I'll buy the Geissle. It's a bit much to swing though. I know guys shooting the Jewell and they love them.

You will end up with the Geissele Hi Speed. May as well buy it now.

Thanks for the replies fellas, greatly appreciated!

Just remember that DCM legal means 4.5 lb trigger pull minimum (for Service Rifle)

edit: CMP 2010 Rulebook, 6.1.1 (1)

http://www.odcmp.com/competitions/rulebook.pdf

Knowing that you can't set the trigger any lower than 4.5 lbs, is there any advantage to the Jewel or Gieselle triggers over the RRA two stage?

I have RRA's in both my service rifles. They both work just fine. I tried out a rifle with a Jewel and didn't notice any worthwhile difference.

I'm genuinely curious about this one.

Matt

Well, the difference in an adjustable trigger like the Geiselle or the Jewell (I have Jewells in my competition rifles), is that you can set the trigger to match however YOU feel it should feel. When you see a weight of 4.5lb, that is a combination of the first+second stage, and is really just a "total" weight. I personally like a heavier first stage, approximately 3.5 lbs or so, with a noticeable (obvious) feeling to the second stage, with a light second stage pull, (the next needed lb or more). Mine are usually set about 4.75lb. THe other nice feature is being able to dial out any overtravel, I like it to dead-stop almost immediately after hammer fall, some like to have it continue. In choosing one of the adjustable triggers, it really comes down to either wanting the adjustability or not. I shot a pair or RRA two stages for my first two years competiton, and will be selling another shortly, as I am hooked on the Jewell and have 3 of them... I am absolutely sure that the Geiselle has all the same adjustments as the Jewell, but I am not sure how they work. There is nothing at all wrong with a RRA, I think they can feel very nice, I just fell in love with the Jewell, YMMV, the Geiselle is the preferred trigger out there today from what I see on the lines.
Mike B

Great post!! I would like to add one more thing. Depending at what level you shoot at, the Geiselle has a much shorter lock time (the time from when trigger is pulled to cartridge firing). If you are shooting in the low 190's and up offhand this may get help a point or two. We just had our local hotshot shoot a 199-5 offhand. He uses a Geiselle trigger .

Geissele is the best. Unfortunately $279.

If you shoot casually, the RRA will be adequate but not as adjustable as previously pointed out. Get John Hollinger to tune it, It's worth the extra money. Even tuned it won't be as stable as a G or have the warranty service.

John doesn't tune RRA triggers anymore

I have a CLE, RRA and Hollinger tuned RRA. I like them all. You'll be able to shoot just fine with any good trigger. I use the CLE for matches. The RRA works best with my 22 and 7.62 uppers.

my 2 cents
i like the following in order
geiselle
milazzo krieger
RRA holinger tuned
Jewell
RRA match from RRA
Frank white bushmaster of yesteryear
armalite old
jard
jp
armalite new

Boy there's a lot of opinion on here that's not always factual.
Here's my disclaimer. I'm sort of a trigger freak. I have and have good amounts of time on all the triggers discussed here and a few more.

The RRA is about 80% the trigger the Geissele is. It's not as adjustable, but it can be tuned to be very good. You don't have to be just a casual shooter to shoot one. I think I'm a bit more than "casual), and it got me a badge and a few more things. "I believe they addressed some issues where they would wear out relatively quickly." The ones I have and have seen aren't prone to wearing out. Initially, the mating surfaces will break in a bit, and may require some adjustment to bring back weight, but after that they're like a timex.

The Jewell is one of my least favorite triggers. I think they're a novel design, but suffer from poor execution. Some are pretty good, some I've played with (including mine) have inconsistent pulls. Now that they've been out a while, I see that folks are finding hammer springs going soft and needing replacement. Jewell will replace it for a cost.

The Geissele is clearly the cream of the crop, but it's not a magic trigger. You still have to hold and squeeze. "Depending at what level you shoot at, the Geiselle has a much shorter lock time" ...uh no...While it's fast compared to a stock trigger, it's doesn't have a "much shorter" lock time than the RRA. I had a chance to put them both on a high speed camera, and found the Geissele to be a little faster (about 1ms). I didn't believe what I was seeing, so I confirmed my findings with a better authority. This is still one of my favorite triggers and is on my #1 gun.
Where Bill Geissele truly excels is his customer service. He is responsive to concerns and issues, and everything I've seen tells me he works hard to make sure his customers are taken care of. Mine run great, so I only get to check in on non problem stuff.

One last word: I think too much is made of the adjustability of the Jewell. But I'm pretty sure the G trigger lack the quick weight adjustment of the Jewell is that matters to anyone.

Here's my pecking order of 2 stage triggers for the original poster;
1) Geissele
2) Stoner (Knight)
3) Milazzo (unavailable)
4) Holliger tuned RRA (John doesn't do them anymore, but they were the all time best value)
I'd feel comfortable stepping to the line with any of the above four triggers.

5) Armalite (gen 1 and gen 2)
6) RRA
7) Jewell
8) CLE
9) Bushmaster

There's a couple I haven't played with enough to have an opinion but might be worth looking at.
A) Tom Meyer's X-treme
B) GOLD (if they produce a Service Rifle weight trigger)
C) Armalite Gen 3

The Gen 1 Armalite triggers are great. I have two that I still run. When I got them in the mid 90s, they were the cat's ass for $110.

B

I, too, am in the market for a new trigger. My RRA has had an issue lately. At first it wouldn't pass weight. A very knowledgable tech swapped springs and finally got it to pass, but only for the one match. The next match I shot it barely passed. It is very inconsistant now, but passed inspection. I blew one offhand shot and one slow prone shot because of it.

I'm leaning toward the Giselle, but would like to know more about the X-Treme. The cost difference is $20, and at the price your paying for the triggers $20 ain't much. I've heard people talk about different trigger locations and so on. Does anyone here have first hand experience with the X-Treme?

I am cosidering intalling a Geissele on my rra nm but was wondering is it a drop in or does it have to be tuned, If it has to be tuned ond/or set up where sould I have it done?

Geissele or the Jewell trigger.

I tried an X-TREME at Camp Perry and that will be my next trtigger

Well, let's see. Where to start. Well I recently purchased a Knights SR15E3, and it came with the KAC match trigger. So now I have some time with the following, a RRA, GA SSA and SR match, the KAC, a Jewel, and I tried the extreme. Here we go, the GA is tops. The KAC would be second then the RRA then the extreme and the jewel I wouldn't even put in the rifle, I'd rather have the stock one. I wasn't a big fan of the extreme when I tried it, the SSA is much better. The GA match even better. The KAC is like a RRA but is adjustable to an extent and feels better. You literally can by 3 RRA's though for the price. I would advise the GA and have it properly set up, repeat properly set up, then take some time learning it's feel and never look back.
Its hassle free when set and tough. Te SSA is a perfect trigger for a new shooter or juinor program. Also a good ninja rifle trigger. ;) the kac I wouldn't have if it didn't come with the rifle. But it's pretty good for what it's designed to be. A combat trigger. The RRA us a good intermediate trigger for a more experienced marksmanship follower, but not a good idea for a combat type rifle. The jewel is. Hit or miss proposition, and some people hate them the others react as though you punched one of thier children if you say you don't like it. I think maybe they might be overreacting to justify the use and purchase of thiers. Who knows. They are just finicky, alot of trouble and I see them fail repeatably, either on te line or in wt check. Just so much more reliable, durable and dependable designs out there for the same money or a little more or even a little less. Just me, but what do I know anyway? It's your rifle not mine.

Justed installed a Jewell and love it. Will report back after a few thousand rounds.

Art

Based on my experience in using and installation/smithing of the following:

Jewell has a lazy hammer spring meaning longer lock time. If you ever break a trigger or hammer spring, you won't get a quick fix with a standard GI type springs. You'll be on the side lines until you get a replacement from Jewell.

Giessle is a good trigger but very expensive and a little tricky to put in and set up.

You should have a set of trigger weights for either of the two above.

That being said, the RRA is simply great. Right out of the package they break like a glass straw. Easy to install and at moderate cost with a no hassle life time guarantee!

All of my AR's execpt for one have RRA's. The execption is a Millazo but no longer available.

Dave McGrath

Yup.
A better choice in the same price range, would be a CLE (not BM0).http://www.compasslake.com/
No reason to send it off to get it fixed by ADCO, or B. Springfield

Heed bigbore's advice. I did, and the geissele is absolutely fantastic.

Enjoy your Jewell, I have three of them running in my competition rifles, and LOVE them. I really enjoy being able to set the 1st and second stage just how I like. Buy an extra spring or two like I did, (everyone told me I would need them, though I have not needed them yet...). I put 1890 rounds through my main rifle this year, and the trigger still holds weight easily and feels crisp as ever, and it was a used trigger when I installed it.

Mike B

My Hollinger tuned trigger was the best money I've ever spent in High Power on any gear. Ever.

Its a shame that its a thing of the past.

I guess I'd still vote for a RRA 2 stage as best bang for the buck in service rifle legal triggers.

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