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Things to Do After a Shooting
3/29/2009 4:38:19 PM
After a Shooting...advice from Massid Ayoob. For those who conceal carry you need to have a plan "if" you're ever involved in a shooting. Mr. Ayoob's "five things" goes a long way in preparing you.
Five Things to Do After a Shooting:
1. Point out the Perpetuator to Police
2. Tell Police you will Sign the Complain
3. Point out the Evidence to Police
4. Point out the Witnesses to Police
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney
Remember Mr. Ayoob's other advice: CALL THE POLICE! As Mr. Ayoob pointed out the first to call gets good standing...It shows you have NOTHING TO HIDE. I would add while you have 911 on the line describe yourself to the dispatcher (I’m a white man 5'10 wearing a green jacket, blues jeans, etc)... So when the Police arrive they know how to identify you.
Also VERY IMPRTANT is to ask the dispatcher to send medical help THIS WILL CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE apathy for the perpetrator it shows you aren't a CRAZED GUN NUT... <= this will be VERY HELPFUL when the DA reviews your case!
Five Things to Do After a Shooting:
1. Point out the Perpetuator to Police
2. Tell Police you will Sign the Complain
3. Point out the Evidence to Police
4. Point out the Witnesses to Police
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney
Remember Mr. Ayoob's other advice: CALL THE POLICE! As Mr. Ayoob pointed out the first to call gets good standing...It shows you have NOTHING TO HIDE. I would add while you have 911 on the line describe yourself to the dispatcher (I’m a white man 5'10 wearing a green jacket, blues jeans, etc)... So when the Police arrive they know how to identify you.
Also VERY IMPRTANT is to ask the dispatcher to send medical help THIS WILL CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE apathy for the perpetrator it shows you aren't a CRAZED GUN NUT... <= this will be VERY HELPFUL when the DA reviews your case!
3/29/2009 5:08:50 PM
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney
Fail! As soon as you tell LE that you are presumed you have something to hide!
Fail! As soon as you tell LE that you are presumed you have something to hide!3/29/2009 5:12:18 PM
3/29/2009 5:16:00 PM
Originally Posted By RicksGuns:
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney
Fail! As soon as you tell LE that you are presumed you have something to hide!
5. Tell them you Will Give Full Cooperation in 24 hours AFTER speaking with Attorney
Fail! As soon as you tell LE that you are presumed you have something to hide!
Maybe, Maybe not. The cop is not the one who decides to send a case to court, the district attorney does.
You should Never speak to the cops under ANY circumstances. Don't give them evidence to prosecute you.
If you think you can talk your way out of being arrested, you are sadly mistaken, if they are going to arrest you, let them, you can work it out in court, but at least you will have the benefit on not being an idiot and talking to the Police and giving them evidence to convict you.
Watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
To sum the video up "any lawyer worth his salt will tell the suspect in no uncertain terms to make no statement to police under any circumstances" (That quote is from a supreme court justice)
The 5th amendment is there to protect the innocent, don't be afraid to use it.
I don't normally give advise from youtube, but I have had lawyers and cops tell me the guy in the video is correct.
3/31/2009 12:36:01 AM
I'm in the skip to #5 camp. Once you start talking it's really hard for you to shut up. It's also easy for someone to skew what you said or did in the moment to fit what they want to think happened. In no uncertain terms tell them you need to speak to your lawyer & then shut up.
3/31/2009 8:25:23 AM
14 year LEO here.....
Ensure that you say to the police that you were in fear for your life and that you would like to speak to your attorney.
They are going to take you in, but you are better off speaking with counsel before providing any details.
Ensure that you say to the police that you were in fear for your life and that you would like to speak to your attorney.
They are going to take you in, but you are better off speaking with counsel before providing any details.
4/2/2009 4:06:01 PM
"thank God you are here; i'm the one who called; THAT man tried to MURDER me; I'll be glad to make a statement as soon as my lawyer arrives"
4/2/2009 4:37:39 PM
Say nothing and consult with an attorney!!
4/18/2009 11:29:02 PM
Originally Posted By 10-8k9:
Say nothing and consult with an attorney!!
Say nothing and consult with an attorney!!
Correct.
The real things to do are:
1. Tell the officers that you will talk to them but want to speak with your attorney first.
2. Shut the fuck up.
4/23/2009 1:51:21 AM
The O P is correct. Yes I did take LFI and after working with the County Attorney and many LEO's I agree wth him. We had several LEO's in our class and more when I assisted two weeks ago in PHX. You must point out to the arriving officer you are not the B G, you must point out evidence, you must point out witnesses, and then you tell them as calmly as you can you will cooperate 24 hrs after you talk to your attorney.
Mas gives a 2 hour block of instruction on what to do, he has the LEO's in class play their roll exactly as they have done in their jobs. Each class I've been in has also had atorneys in it. Fiddletown who is on several sites is one of them.
Mas gives a 2 hour block of instruction on what to do, he has the LEO's in class play their roll exactly as they have done in their jobs. Each class I've been in has also had atorneys in it. Fiddletown who is on several sites is one of them.
4/23/2009 2:12:19 AM
Originally Posted By Justice23:
14 year LEO here.....
Ensure that you say to the police that you were in fear for your life and that you would like to speak to your attorney.
They are going to take you in, but you are better off speaking with counsel before providing any details.
14 year LEO here.....
Ensure that you say to the police that you were in fear for your life and that you would like to speak to your attorney.
They are going to take you in, but you are better off speaking with counsel before providing any details.
I've disagreed with you on a lot of things, but what you are saying is absolutely the best advice I've heard in this thread.
4/23/2009 4:20:37 AM
SSS?
Wait, I didn't suggest that. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Wait, I didn't suggest that. Move along. Nothing to see here.
4/23/2009 5:06:42 AM
THIS WILL CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE apathy for the perpetrator
I think you meant "sympathy." Apathy = you don't care.
ETA This video can NOT be repeated too much!
Why I will never speak to the police.
5/6/2009 10:00:22 PM
Originally Posted By Justice23:
Ensure that you say to the police that you were in fear for your life and that you would like to speak to your attorney.
Ensure that you say to the police that you were in fear for your life and that you would like to speak to your attorney.
+1.
