What is this guy trying to teach?
I saw this video doing a search for Sabre Defence. I have taken a lot of training classes and I have never seen an instructor teach to shoot like this. Does not look like a very good way or natural way to move or present you pistol in combat situation. Has anyone seen this type of shooting and what is the idea behind it:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4723964/sabre_tactical_training_handgun_techniques/
Edit to add:
I just noticed the CAR System at the very start of the video. Never heard of it but it looks like the Canadians came up with it???
Well, it's different, that's for sure. Keeping the elbow/arm up helps you to protect your weapon from your attacker in close quarters. Though at that range, I've seen most people shoot one handed and shoot from under their weak side arm w/ their weak side arm parallel with the ground and bent at the elbow. His rear sight is so close to his eye that it's kinda like using ghost ring sights in that he doesn't have to worry about it. Just focus on the front sight. Then again, at that range, I don't use my sights. Or at least I shoot fast enough that I don't realize I'm using them.
It does address the one issue I've always had with the shooting from under my offside arm. Being worried about shooting myself in that arm.
I'm not going to change the way I shot or anything but it's something I'll keep in my head when I'm training.
There was a link to a vid of another trainer teaching this style in another thread a few weeks ago.. In close combat it seems to be very effective..
It keeps the weapon close to not allow loss.
CAR is largely nonsense. It's easy for something to look impressive when you're blasting at a B27 from less than 3 feet away.
This reminds me of a scene from "The Road to Perdition," where Tom Hanks unloads an entire drum from a Thompson into Paul Newman. Hanks keeps the Thompson level the whole time as though Newman will be still standing there by the time the Thompson fires the 50th round.
What makes this guy think anybody will still be just standing upright after having been shot six or eight times in the midsection - and then takes six shots to the head?
I agree: this is purely a paper-busting exercise and has very little to do with the real world. Kind of impressive because of the speed, but still little more than grandstanding.
This technique has very limited value. May be a good posistion to get a shot or two but is unrealistic as human response to extreme stress. We don't fight standing sideways.
Originally Posted By gj047:
. We don't fight standing sideways.
or standing stillHow does this guy have a business built off teaching this stuff? Hasn't anyone called him on it? He is going to get someone killed. Reminds me of Lynn Thompson teaching students to shoot multiple rounds off in to the ground as he draws his pistol bringing it up on target.
It's amazing what some "instructors" try to pass off as tactics or techniques with out them being tested and proven. Prime example as to why you should always vett potential instructors, do your research, and only support those offering sound instruction vice "gimicks."
This only works in 1 situation:
Gun fighting in a phone booth.
LOL!
I saw this about 10 years ago. Not sure if it's the same guy but the technique is the same. It was a set of video that a coworker got for free from Caliber Press.
Some the techniques have a use is very special circumstances, but overall it's to be avoided.
Paul Castle is the origional instructor in this method. It does work for Extreme CQB and from seated positions with limited mobility. Also can be used moving down the aisle of an school bus or airplane. I look at it as another tool in the tool box. What you can't tell in the video is he uses the left eye when shooting at extreme left angles. This works well for the ECQB range I have tried it. The FBI stats are 3-3-3 that means 3 shots in 3 seconds at under 3 yards. In the video he is 1-2 yards away so it works. Now it is not the best way to shoot at 7+yards.
Scott V
www.centerfiretraining.com
Has it ever been proven in an actual gunfight? Until then, it's a gimick.
It has been useful to me in extreme tight quarters, such as clearing walk-in closets, being able to shoot strong or reaction side, or for the weapon retention. The rest of it not so much and there have been issues with the Instructor.
The issue as I see it, is when someone takes long time proven close quarters or extreme close quarters techniques, puts their spin on it, packages it as a "system", proclaims it as their own and that it is the absolute best way of doing things period. There are some good usable techniques under certain conditions / situations, but there are some serious drawbacks. Most good instructors will point out the pro's and con's. This does not seem to be the case with the "CAR system".
Without a TON of practice at this type of technique and in a high-stress situation (such as a gunfight), seems like a great way to shoot yourself in the arm.
Wow... That looks goofy as hell. Wing Chun is to Judo as this technique is to actually useful firearms training.
