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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:03:36 PM EDT
Are the rumors true that KUSA is out of business?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:27:50 PM EDT
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Internet chatter thinks so
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:46:33 PM EDT
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With the price of 7.62x39mm ammo these days Im surprised more AK makers aren't out of business. AKs were fun when ammo was dirt cheap. Now its the same price as .308.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:23:54 PM EDT
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And to think everyone says "Buy a KP9, it's the most similar with all the authentic problems" because the AKV isn't enough of a clone.
Stucks to have a firearms company go under but I'm not really surprised with them starting as vaporware then to medocre shotguns and making a good vityaz copy but completely failing to address big issues in design. The US market seems to be unique in having an end user not getting willing to be the testing department. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:34:48 PM EDT
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I really dislike people whose sole purpose is spreading rumors…
They add nothing to the hobby. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:23:23 PM EDT
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Dunno, seems like just one person on IG saying it. Others have called and KUSA says it's not true.
But looks like they did miss a couple of court-ordered settlement payments to INDO-MIM the last two months. (the fuck, MIM parts? cripes) No more internet sales, no press releases since mid 2022, no blog entries on their site since mid 2023. Still just rumors, but doesn't look too healthy. Not the first time we've seen this scenario, so happy PSA didn't go down that road and is thriving, they may be the only US AK-maker after everything washes out in the end. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deerhurst: And to think everyone says "Buy a KP9, it's the most similar with all the authentic problems" because the AKV isn't enough of a clone. Stucks to have a firearms company go under but I'm not really surprised with them starting as vaporware then to medocre shotguns and making a good vityaz copy but completely failing to address big issues in design. The US market seems to be unique in having an end user not getting willing to be the testing department. What is wrong with the Vityaz? Mine runs great, eats anything and with an ALG, is a bumpfire king. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:26:17 PM EDT
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These threads are popping up everywhere now, one just got started in GD.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:02:48 PM EDT
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People on AKQC insta talking about PSA buying KUSA if they go bankrupt. AKQC thinks that would be a bad thing. I whole heartedly disagree. *If* KUSA is going under, PSA has an opportunity here to save the dodo. The kp9 doesn’t need to die in this country IMO.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:07:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: People on AKQC insta talking about PSA buying KUSA if they go bankrupt. AKQC thinks that would be a bad thing. I whole heartedly disagree. *If* KUSA is going under, PSA has an opportunity here to save the dodo. The kp9 doesn't need to die in this country IMO. 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:34:15 PM EDT
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Would anyone be terribly shocked?
KR-101 was officially announced at SHOT with a, "Pay now and we'll ship in 10 weeks." None of these have shipped yet that I've seen. I hope the three or four people who pre-ordered get their money back. Aside from the 103/104 guns, KUSA was the only source for 5.5mm rear trunnions, AK100 front trunnions and a few other small parts. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:54:51 PM EDT
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I also really like their 30 round 7.62 mags. Prefer them to the PSA.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:23:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Would anyone be terribly shocked? KR-101 was officially announced at SHOT with a, "Pay now and we'll ship in 10 weeks." None of these have shipped yet that I've seen. I hope the three or four people who pre-ordered get their money back. Aside from the 103/104 guns, KUSA was the only source for 5.5mm rear trunnions, AK100 front trunnions and a few other small parts. I'm one of the people who Paid in full on the Pre-Orders for the KR-101x, and I sent out email yesterday in regards to the situation so I am very much hoping to hear back on how this situation is going to unfold. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:27:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: Dunno, seems like just one person on IG saying it. Others have called and KUSA says it's not true. But looks like they did miss a couple of court-ordered settlement payments to INDO-MIM the last two months. (the fuck, MIM parts? cripes) Lots of manufacturers are using MIM parts to cut costs where you don’t need higher strength materials. I’m fairly certain (having seen MIM parts and comparing my PSA AKs with my imports) that both PSA and KUSA use MIM on parts that do not require a high tensile strength such as the rear sight block and rear trunion. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:30:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InfamousAK: I'm one of the people who Paid in full on the Pre-Orders for the KR-101x, and I sent out email yesterday in regards to the situation so I am very much hoping to hear back on how this situation is going to unfold. Was going to buy one, but “ships in 10 weeks” thing dissuaded me. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:43:29 AM EDT
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AK Quality Enforcement is posting on his IG account that the rumors are true. Doors will be closed this coming Monday. The family is going to meet with the bank to see if anything can be worked out.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:45:27 AM EDT
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I need spares
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:55:26 AM EDT
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They always seemed like a train wreck of a business. Their media presence was trash tier.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:59:50 AM EDT
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And just like that, 100 series AK clones are gone.
This blows. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:07:02 AM EDT
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Sounds like there is potential for KUSA to stick around under new ownership.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:17:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye: Sounds like there is potential for KUSA to stick around under new ownership. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260726/KUSA-3192081.png I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. And it’s always from people with 0 first hand experience with the product. Makes me chuckle. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:47:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. And it's always from people with 0 first hand experience with the product. Makes me chuckle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: Originally Posted By sbye: Sounds like there is potential for KUSA to stick around under new ownership. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260726/KUSA-3192081.png I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. And it's always from people with 0 first hand experience with the product. Makes me chuckle. It's because PSA has (not by all, but many) always been viewed as "for the poors." Subsequently, PSA isn't a preferred brand for Instagram flexing... |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:51:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. They hate 'em because they ain't 'em. 2 guys, in a garage a dozen years ago, decide to start a side hustle, anybody could have done it, but they didn't. And now they're multi-millionaires. Lotsa people, even on this site, whining still that the American Dream is dead and there's no way you can get ahead. Utter bullshit, and deep in their heart they know it, they just don't have the gumption to do the work and make the sacrifices to make it happen and they're angry that other folks do. What Jamin and Josiah McCallum did is fucking legend, and should be an inspiration to us all. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:39:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: They hate 'em because they ain't 'em. 2 guys, in a garage a dozen years ago, decide to start a side hustle, anybody could have done it, but they didn't. And now they're multi-millionaires. Lotsa people, even on this site, whining still that the American Dream is dead and there's no way you can get ahead. Utter bullshit, and deep in their heart they know it, they just don't have the gumption to do the work and make the sacrifices to make it happen and they're angry that other folks do. What Jamin and Josiah McCallum did is fucking legend, and should be an inspiration to us all. Don't matter who you are, there is always haters. Just the modern world. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:06:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: They hate 'em because they ain't 'em. 2 guys, in a garage a dozen years ago, decide to start a side hustle, anybody could have done it, but they didn't. And now they're multi-millionaires. Lotsa people, even on this site, whining still that the American Dream is dead and there's no way you can get ahead. Utter bullshit, and deep in their heart they know it, they just don't have the gumption to do the work and make the sacrifices to make it happen and they're angry that other folks do. What Jamin and Josiah McCallum did is fucking legend, and should be an inspiration to us all. The amount of people that want them to fail in the AK market is just dumb. In a time where certain rifles are just flat out unobtainable you need an American alternative. I refuse to pay the “boomer tax” on some $3000 kit some old coot paid $200 for in 2005. It ain’t happening. I also shouldn’t be barred from participating in cool AKs just because I was in middle school when the getting was good. Gate keeping. That’s all it is. And I DESPISE gate keepers. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: AK Quality Enforcement is posting on his IG account that the rumors are true. Doors will be closed this coming Monday. The family is going to meet with the bank to see if anything can be worked out. Who is AK Quality Enforcement and why should I trust what he is posting? Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. And it’s always from people with 0 first hand experience with the product. Makes me chuckle. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to r/ak47. They turned into a bunch of stereotypical gun collector snobs once AKs started to become high dollar guns, and certain imports became unobtainable. Some posters over there would get borderline offended when someone had a nicely modded PSA rifle because it didn't say Arsenal or Saiga or Vepr on the side of it and was put together at a fraction of the cost |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Who is AK Quality Enforcement and why should I trust what he is posting? Sven Manticore Arms He's the guy who brought to light the KP9 issues with OOBs and put K-USA on blast for their poor customer service and poor customer interaction, specifically during the Bonnie Rotten days. The dude basically collated a bunch of independent user experiences scattered across various places (forums, reddit, Youtube, etc) with K-USA and put them up on Instagram where basically anyone can see and hear. He ended up being the de facto liason between disgruntled customers and K-USA. It was really the organized effort by him that got K-USA to turn things around (temporarily). edit - That and he ended up making personal connections with a few of the employees there. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:29:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: It's because PSA has (not by all, but many) always been viewed as "for the poors." Subsequently, PSA isn't a preferred brand for Instagram flexing... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By MustyWaffles: Originally Posted By sbye: Sounds like there is potential for KUSA to stick around under new ownership. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260726/KUSA-3192081.png I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. And it's always from people with 0 first hand experience with the product. Makes me chuckle. It's because PSA has (not by all, but many) always been viewed as "for the poors." Subsequently, PSA isn't a preferred brand for Instagram flexing... Competition is a good thing. I would rather see multiple US AK manufacturers than a PSA monopoly. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:47:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: The amount of people that want them to fail in the AK market is just dumb. In a time where certain rifles are just flat out unobtainable you need an American alternative. I refuse to pay the “boomer tax” on some $3000 kit some old coot paid $200 for in 2005. It ain’t happening. I also shouldn’t be barred from participating in cool AKs just because I was in middle school when the getting was good. Gate keeping. That’s all it is. And I DESPISE gate keepers. Curious on your definition of gatekeeping in this case. Not in an attempt to stir shit, but in an attempt to understand what type of discourse is covered. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Curious on your definition of gatekeeping in this case. Not in an attempt to stir shit, but in an attempt to understand what type of discourse is covered. The “don’t buy that PSA, you should buy an (insert whatever you want). Yeah bro they’re 3x what they were when I bought them. Tough luck” |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:59:38 PM EDT
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Not to steal the spotlight or go off topic, but I would like to get my money back, and have never been in the situation where a company went out of business before my Pre-Order was fulfilled. Where do I go from here?
Any help is greatly appreciated |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evintos: He's the guy who brought to light the KP9 issues with OOBs and put K-USA on blast for their poor customer service and poor customer interaction, specifically during the Bonnie Rotten days. The dude basically collated a bunch of independent user experiences scattered across various places (forums, reddit, Youtube, etc) with K-USA and put them up on Instagram where basically anyone can see and hear. He ended up being the de facto liason between disgruntled customers and K-USA. It was really the organized effort by him that got K-USA to turn things around (temporarily). edit - That and he ended up making personal connections with a few of the employees there. Thats why I didn’t get one and then when they started fixing the issues my state passes a awb. I hate being stuck with a gun that is a paperweight due to not being able to get parts. Kind of like the arx100 |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:29:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evintos: He's the guy who brought to light the KP9 issues with OOBs and put K-USA on blast for their poor customer service and poor customer interaction, specifically during the Bonnie Rotten days. The dude basically collated a bunch of independent user experiences scattered across various places (forums, reddit, Youtube, etc) with K-USA and put them up on Instagram where basically anyone can see and hear. He ended up being the de facto liason between disgruntled customers and K-USA. It was really the organized effort by him that got K-USA to turn things around (temporarily). edit - That and he ended up making personal connections with a few of the employees there. Okay, so color me naive, but I had no idea who Bonnie Rotten was, so I duckduckgo'ed the name with the safe-search function turned off because I don't trust censored searches...and now I have seen things I can't un-see.  What the actual fuck did this person have to do with KUSA??? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: The “don’t buy that PSA, you should buy an (insert whatever you want). Yeah bro they’re 3x what they were when I bought them. Tough luck” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: Originally Posted By fike: Curious on your definition of gatekeeping in this case. Not in an attempt to stir shit, but in an attempt to understand what type of discourse is covered. The “don’t buy that PSA, you should buy an (insert whatever you want). Yeah bro they’re 3x what they were when I bought them. Tough luck” Fair enough. I would never begrudge anyone buying a PSA but I would hope we would allow all opinions to be heard. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: Okay, so color me naive, but I had no idea who Bonnie Rotten was, so I duckduckgo'ed the name with the safe-search function turned off because I don't trust censored searches...and now I have seen things I can't un-see. What the actual fuck did this person have to do with KUSA??? Me too! 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:59:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Fair enough. I would never begrudge anyone buying a PSA but I would hope we would allow all opinions to be heard. An opinion is one thing, dissuading someone from what may very well be the only option because YOU don’t line it is something else entirely. And that’s what 95% of the PSA Kalashnikov hate comes from. The other 5% is warranted due to some rocky lows with certain products |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:35:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MustyWaffles: The amount of people that want them to fail in the AK market is just dumb. In a time where certain rifles are just flat out unobtainable you need an American alternative. I refuse to pay the “boomer tax” on some $3000 kit some old coot paid $200 for in 2005. It ain’t happening. I also shouldn’t be barred from participating in cool AKs just because I was in middle school when the getting was good. Gate keeping. That’s all it is. And I DESPISE gate keepers. Its so funny that you say that. I have been collecting and shooting for a long time. I have attended the Mobile gun show for a long time as well. I have witnessed these gatekeepers you mention with their high priced CRAP. Funny thing is, they still have the same high priced CRAP at every gun show. They never seem to sell any of it. I can walk through the show and call out almost every gun these guys will have on their table before I get to it. Sometimes I even comment, hey did you sell that HK53? or whatever gun they always have on their table at 2K over market value. Typically they respond with, "naw I just didn't bring it this time" Then go to gunbroker and it's worse. If I sold everything I have at GB prices, I would get a million dollars |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:52:04 PM EDT
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Like I get supply and demand, scarcity and such. Yeah, those Polytech or Maadi AKs are never coming back so they’ll always command a premium.
What I’ve hated is how gun culture seems to have embraced this Randian hyper-anarcho-capitalist mindset. The whole “fuck you, I’ve got mine, fuck the poors, fuck you and pay me” attitude that seems to creep around. That the expensive Saiga conversion is the only thing worthy of buying and you suck for even considering that a PSA might be good enough. Even the builders seem to have sucked it up. I’ve got two rebuild projects I’m finally ready to do but their prices have escalated to about what a new import rifle costs.  So instead of them getting any business, the projects go onto the deep-back burner and I’ll buy the Zastava and PSA equivalents to what I wanted.I never associated guns as some rich person’s thing. This isn’t some cry for price controls or government intervention or socialism. But just like hunting, it’s heading into being a moneyed thing. We shouldn’t celebrate ammo prices going higher and higher and deride anyone that complains about it. When we push out new folks with behavior like that, we deserve what we get when there’s no support for us when anti-2A legislation passes. As community we should try to do better to welcome people and not gatekeep with pay to play. I want PSA to succeed selling guns and ammo so more folks can join us. It’s unfortunate that KUSA is likely going out of business but they’ve run a shifty enterprise and we can’t support that either - they will reap what they’ve sown sadly. Hopefully someone can come along and save what good they had. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:20:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoorKicker: Its so funny that you say that. I have been collecting and shooting for a long time. I have attended the Mobile gun show for a long time as well. I have witnessed these gatekeepers you mention with their high priced CRAP. Funny thing is, they still have the same high priced CRAP at every gun show. They never seem to sell any of it. I can walk through the show and call out almost every gun these guys will have on their table before I get to it. Sometimes I even comment, hey did you sell that HK53? or whatever gun they always have on their table at 2K over market value. Typically they respond with, "naw I just didn't bring it this time" Then go to gunbroker and it's worse. If I sold everything I have at GB prices, I would get a million dollars Seen that too, I think some of them just go to socialize with other old curmudgeons, can't picture them actually even making the money back they paid for booth space. Every show, same stuff on the table they had last time and zero chance they lower the price. Gun shows in general seem to have deteriorated over the last 25 years. Not what they were back in like the early 90's. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:27:25 PM EDT
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The biggest loss with KUSA is that just about all Saiga 12 clones are done until somebody else.picks.ot.up (PSA come on do a thing)
Lynx 12/SDS 12/VP12 - No Longer Imported due to sanctions/costs. KUSA- Possibly going Under There is a Turkish copy that is questionable that's it. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: The biggest loss with KUSA is that just about all Saiga 12 clones are done until somebody else.picks.ot.up (PSA come on do a thing) Lynx 12/SDS 12/VP12 - No Longer Imported due to sanctions/costs. KUSA- Possibly going Under There is a Turkish copy that is questionable that's it. KUSA was the only one making affordable Russian Izhmash AK clones - it's a blow to the AK community for sure. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:13:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InfamousAK: Not to steal the spotlight or go off topic, but I would like to get my money back, and have never been in the situation where a company went out of business before my Pre-Order was fulfilled. Where do I go from here? Any help is greatly appreciated Probably have to make a few attempts to contact KUSA for a refund; after which you’d contact your credit card company for a charge-back due to no product or refund received. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:42:51 PM EDT
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Stuff like the below example is a pretty good indicator that business isn’t going so well (and that started a while ago for KUSA).
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Posted: 4/21/2024 1:06:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Stuff like the below example is a pretty good indicator that business isn’t going so well (and that started a while ago for KUSA). https://kalashnikov-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/AF-KP9-Mag.jpg Lol... you can only get away with producing tacky shit like that when you're moving product like PSA does, and at least PSA's tacky shit is self aware |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:22:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Willisinnawoods: Probably have to make a few attempts to contact KUSA for a refund; after which you’d contact your credit card company for a charge-back due to no product or refund received. Thanks, I've never had to do a chargeback, but just curious at what point would the bank/CC consider doing it. I've attempted to contact them twice, and there has been no official response/reply from them at all. There has been no official word from them closing their doors yet either so would that be an obstacle in attempting to do a chargeback? Also have noticed that they tagged on an extra 100 bucks for their 101x pre-order from what I paid 3-4 weeks back right before they removed their online store, which considering the present situation is extremely scumbaggish knowing their current circumstances. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:05:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InfamousAK: Thanks, I've never had to do a chargeback, but just curious at what point would the bank/CC consider doing it. I've attempted to contact them twice, and there has been no official response/reply from them at all. There has been no official word from them closing their doors yet either so would that be an obstacle in attempting to do a chargeback? Also have noticed that they tagged on an extra 100 bucks for their 101x pre-order from what I paid 3-4 weeks back right before they removed their online store, which considering the present situation is extremely scumbaggish knowing their current circumstances. You could go ahead and call your CC company and explain what’s going on; worst they’ll likely do is say they need an official confirmation of them going out of business. The one or two times I’ve had to do a charge back on mine it’s been fairly painless. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:31:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Willisinnawoods: You could go ahead and call your CC company and explain what’s going on; worst they’ll likely do is say they need an official confirmation of them going out of business. The one or two times I’ve had to do a charge back on mine it’s been fairly painless. Much Thanks and Appreciation! |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:58:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: KUSA was the only one making affordable Russian Izhmash AK clones - it's a blow to the AK community for sure. I'm not really sure it's actually a blow to the community. I don't think I've actually seen a KUSA firearm being shot. I've seen a couple for sale but never actually seen one in the wild. I've actually seen and shot more legit Vityaz rifles in the wild than anything by KUSA. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 1:45:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deerhurst: I'm not really sure it's actually a blow to the community. I don't think I've actually seen a KUSA firearm being shot. I've seen a couple for sale but never actually seen one in the wild. I've actually seen and shot more legit Vityaz rifles in the wild than anything by KUSA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deerhurst: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: KUSA was the only one making affordable Russian Izhmash AK clones - it's a blow to the AK community for sure. I'm not really sure it's actually a blow to the community. I don't think I've actually seen a KUSA firearm being shot. I've seen a couple for sale but never actually seen one in the wild. I've actually seen and shot more legit Vityaz rifles in the wild than anything by KUSA. Where have you shot real legit Russian Izhmash Vityaz submachine guns in the wild? Just curious. It's almost irrelevant anyway. The KUSA KP9 was the only semi-auto clone (it's virtually identical to a real one minus the markings and select fire capability) on the U.S. commercial market - there is nothing else now. No, it's not the end of world, but it's disappointing. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 5:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Where have you shot real legit Russian Izhmash Vityaz submachine guns in the wild? Just curious. It's almost irrelevant anyway. The KUSA KP9 was the only semi-auto clone (it's virtually identical to a real one minus the markings and select fire capability) on the U.S. commercial market - there is nothing else now. No, it's not the end of world, but it's disappointing. It’s very disappointing. I regret not getting one years back when I had fun money to make it happen. |
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