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Posted: 6/1/2008 2:27:06 PM EDT
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I've been using CLP as a preservative (meaning I wipe down the rifle with it) and lubing with the same molybdenum disulfide general purpose grease I use on the barrel nut when I install a barrel. Just a light coat on the outside of the carrier rails, bolt, and lugs; little heavier on the cam pin. Been working great and stays put. Ever wonder why ARs run best "wet" with oil? 'Cause the stuff doesn't stay put and you have to dowse it to maintain lubrication! Best part is I bought this tub back in 1998 for $2.50
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Posted: 6/1/2008 2:30:36 PM EDT
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Break-Free CLP. If it didn't work, the .mil would've dumped it and no one would use it. Whether or not it is the best product for the purpose on the market is debatable, but the product is known to work in military conditions.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:19:52 PM EDT
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Interesting. Just a couple of the things I found via a quick search:
Of course, it's PS, so it doesn't actually cite anything..... because God forbid we make things easy.....  So I dug a bit, and did find this:
And, with a little more digging, I was able to turn this up:
I was even able to find the original request for lubricant testing samples here. I found lots and LOTS of repeats of the "Army Stands by Official CLP Products" article, but never once did I find a link or cite to the actual source document. I may make some phone calls tomorrow. |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:02:17 AM EDT
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For what it's worth: Title: Characterization of the Skin Penetration of a Hydrocarbon-Based Weapons Maintenance Oil. Author: Arfsten, Darryl P. Garrett, Carol M. Jederberg, Warren W. Wilfong, Erin R. McDougal, James N. Add.Author / Editor: Arfsten, Darryl P. Garrett, Carol M. Jederberg, Warren W. Wilfong, Erin R. McDougal, James N. Citation: Journal of Occupational & Environmental Hygiene Sep2006, Vol. 3 Issue 9, p457-464 Year: 2006 Abstract: Break-Free CLP is a commercial petroleum-based liquid used for cleaning, lubricating, and protecting firearms that is used in the United States by military personnel, police, and individual gun owners for maintaining a wide variety of firearms. According to its material safety data sheet (MSDS), Break-Free CLP is predominately polyalphaolefin oil but also contains dibasic ester and isoparaffinic hydrocarbons; all of these ingredients are known to induce skin irritation in laboratory animals. Studies completed in our labs found that repeated topical application of Break-Free CLP to the backs of CD-1 mice produced evidence of systemic effects. Studies were conducted to characterize the dermal penetration of Break-Free CLP in mouse, rat, and pig skin to provide insight on possible factors or causes of skin irritation and systemic effects observed in previous studies. Mouse skin was 37 times more permeable to Break-Free CLP than pig skin and 6 times more permeable than rat skin. Flux measurements from static diffusion cells showed an inverse correlation with mouse, rat, and pig skin thickness. The concentration of Break-Free CLP in mouse skin was 4.5 times higher than the amount found in rat skin and about 17 times higher than the amount absorbed by pig skin. These results support the idea that Break-Free CLP causes skin irritation and systemic effects in the mouse by both penetrating through and accumulating in the skin. The findings for rat and pig skin are probably most representative of Break-Free CLP flux into and through unprotected human skin and suggest that dermal toxicity studies in CD-1 mice overestimate the risk to humans. These results, nevertheless, suggest that persons handling or using Break-Free CLP should protect the skin from possible exposure. |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:03:06 AM EDT
[#5]
very interesting info jake.
now can someone tell us what those pictures mean? thanks for the dig... |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 9:06:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2008 7:52:17 PM EDT
[#7]
Slip Extreme Weapons Lube. FYI, there was a report by the army a few month back that stated that CLP didn't clean or lube very well.
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Posted: 6/3/2008 4:53:35 AM EDT
[#8]
do you know where that report is? i would like to read it |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 9:24:20 PM EDT
[#9]
Absolutely. Ballistol, IMHO, is highly Under - rated. Ballistol.com ETA: So far, I enjoy using Ballistol + SLIP as an execellent combination for "CLP" purposes. |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:41:31 PM EDT
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CLP works. This is oil. It's cheap. There aren't going to be any multimillion dollar kickbacks, or whining from some Congressman who's district houses the Break Free factory. Hell, Break Free doesn't even have the large contract anymore, all the CLP I've seen issued in the last few years was made by Royco.
If it didn't work, it would have been replaced years ago. Look at it purely based on cost. Weapons are expensive. If they wear out faster, then more weapons have to be bought. For the longest time, there wasn't a lot of money for replacements. Even with the cheaper prices FN was charging for M16s. If it were so bad, then just the cost of replacing a few Joes would have been more than getting a better lube. |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 11:18:56 AM EDT
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Breakfree CLP for the last ten years, and have no plans to give it up. I've heard that CLP dries out quickly, and have noticed that, yes, the carrier does evaporate after a month or so, but the actual constituent lubricating and protective agents stay put.
Case in point: Last year I was shooting my Polytech AKS-762 , and a blinding rainstorm descended out of nowhere and dumped an inch of rain on us. I was about to get in the truck and head home, when I thought, "what the hell, this is an AK I'm shooting" and kept on keeping on. Wiped the AK down with an old rag, cased it up and went home. No trace of rust on arrival. Interesting, I thought, so I left it uncleaned overnight. Still no rust. I figured that SOME rust has got to show up after the soaking this rifle got out there, and I left it for a month, just to see what would happen, checking it inside and out every other day. No rust. Cleaned it up and soaked it again in CLP, and she still looks as good as new. I just picked up an el cheapo NHM-91 from a local guy who kept it in his leaky attic for about ten years. It looked like a battlefield pick-up when I got it; heavy corrosion on the rear sight block, rear sight and top cover, and a ton of dirt, dust and grime all over it. I soaked it in CLP for a week and cleaned all the rust off of it with a stainless brush and more CLP. It's no beauty queen now, but CLP and some elbow grease really did a makeover on this old beater. CLP works. |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 11:35:41 AM EDT
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That's the interesting thing about the premise of the subject of this thread: I'm not sure there even IS a "best" type of lube to use.
I love this comment by Pat Rogers from an article titled "Keep Your Carbine Running." He basically feels that many different substances out there will work for lube, but the really important thing with AR's is not so much what type you use, but that whatever you use, you lube them often and well: "I have used every type of lube imaginable, going from WD-40 (especially good when you have a dirty gun), to 3 in 1 oil, suntan lotion, butter and even Vagisil--don’t laugh, it works. I may not want to use any of them for the long haul, but for a quick ix, it beats having a non-functioning gun. The type of lube you use is something else that is full of mythology and sprinkled with fact." |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 9:44:09 AM EDT
[#13]
This is still going on
seems pretty easy to me |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 12:35:42 PM EDT
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Over the years I've tried all kinds of new "wonder cleaners" for firearms; but I always end up going back to Hoppe's #9. Some of the new wonder cleaners work as well as Hoppe's; but none of them work better. It's the same with BreakFree CLP. I've tried all kinds of different lubes--always go back to CLP.
A couple of points: a) Unless you're taking a daily bath in CLP, I wouldn't worry about it. I've been using CLP for 24 years now and no problems--not even with the so-called "skin irritation". Just wash your little hands as soon as you can after using it. b) Put a small CLP bottle in your range bag. Before you start firing, take out your BCG and squeeze some CLP onto the bolt carrier (NOT the bolt face!), put it back in, and start shooting! Run that BCG WET with CLP and you'll find that your rifle runs much smoother, and will clean up much easier at the end of the day. And the more trips to the range that you do this, you'll find that it's getting faster and faster, easier and easier to clean your weapon. Hope it helps. |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 3:17:39 AM EDT
[#15]
spit
it also has other lubricating applications
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Posted: 6/22/2008 4:25:34 AM EDT
[#16]
CLP.
ETA: I use TW25B on my trigger and that's pretty much the only combat application I could ever see for it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 4:27:31 AM EDT
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THE TOPIC IS SO EASY
COMBAT PROVEN LUB Well what is the military useing? CLP Well then its CLP |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 12:11:40 PM EDT
[#18]
I never have and never will use anything but Break Free CLP. None better.
I do throw Gun Scrubber on when I'm cleaning up, but then I wash that away with more break free. |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 5:02:43 PM EDT
[#19]
Slip 2000 has my vote right now. I can fire all day and its still wet inside where as BF is bone dry after 100rds. Not to mention I use 1/3 less patches in the bore to get it clean.
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Posted: 6/25/2008 12:44:31 AM EDT
[#20]
Been using CLP for a couple decades Years back in the early 90`s the military did say something about TEFLON (I THINK) Pat rogers knows what Im talking about! But we are talking a Combat proven! I do agree Slip 2000 and other products made by them IS SOME GOOD STUFF I dont think SLIP been around as long as CLP in combat |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 12:45:45 AM EDT
[#21]
I bet we are close to the same age |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 12:48:44 AM EDT
[#22]
TW@%B is good stuff I would use it if I was in the water or getting wet alot I used some on my NEW upper . stufff works great! Takes just a tiny tab |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:36:11 AM EDT
[#23]
CLP and High temp Bearing grease
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Posted: 6/28/2008 4:00:01 AM EDT
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I Know a low post count doesnt pull much trust around these parts, but here it goes:
I worked in a quick lube for 8 years (High School, College, and then some  ). I am by no means a mechanic or a chemist, but Ive seen it all. 8 years, 5 days a week, 30 cars per day avg. Ive seen old farmers insist on 20w50 in their brand new Ford trucks calling for a light 5w20 ("that shits like water" they would claim). Ive seen people go synthetic and back to conventional. (I could probably write a book on sythetic oil myths.) Ive seen people use oil for diesel engines in their gasoline cars/trucks. I personally buy whatever brand is on sale, as long as the API certification label is on the bottle. All of the above worked, and the difference is probably splitting hairs. Again, im not an expert, but im calling it how I see it. Oil opinions are like butt holes; everyone has one. The only time I ever saw adverse side effects was when people would consistently go WAY over their factory recomended oil change intervals. I know an engine is very different than a gun, but I believe the same rules apply: OIL AND CLEAN OFTEN... and you will be ok. And yes, I use CLP and I use it often. A little (and I mean a very very light coat) high temp grease on the carrier, cam pin, and the takedown pins on the Lower reviever(steel vs alum) helps, *I think*. Take it for what its worth, but lubing your gun often is more important than what oil you use. Thats my opinion. |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 9:31:35 AM EDT
[#25]
I said CLP above, and stand by that, but since I got my Garand I've also been using MD Labs XF-7 grease on the Garand, my 1911 and the cam surfaces and receiver rails of my ARs. It's good stuff, endorsed by Smith Enterprises.
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Posted: 7/9/2008 6:16:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Gents, here is a good article on Break-Free CLP. Right now, R&R Arms has the 1 gallon jug of BF for $55.89. Yep , I got one!
http://madogre.com/Interviews/breakfree.htm Enjoy! Tacshooter |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 3:08:45 AM EDT
[#27]
Low Post count dont mean Shit  Sometimes it tells if one could be a troll! Like low post count and Bashing a Brand Name etc! Im with you I Never Will Run my AR15 WET CLP Some of these guys run there Bolt/carrier dripping wet?? Ive never had any trouble doing it my way for several years now |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 8:11:01 AM EDT
[#28]
The crap that was in the dirty spray bottle that all the supply Sergeants handed out. Good old CLP!
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Posted: 7/10/2008 10:54:23 AM EDT
[#29]
How is M Pro 7 regarded? link
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Posted: 7/13/2008 9:10:28 AM EDT
[#30]
I just got a Camp Perry special bottle of Gunzilla at the shoot. I just lubed one of my AR's and thats about it. It is a combination oil/cleaner and it is made from plants with no hazardous chemicals. Not much smell. Thats all I know so far, my 2 cents worth.
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:49:22 PM EDT
[#31]
I prefer to damage the environment with my cleaner I love my carbon footprint. |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 8:58:39 AM EDT
[#32]
have you ever tried STRIKE-HOLD? Specwar was issuing the stuff to me a couple years ago. armorer said "spray this stuff on, wipe it clean and you are done". i did not trust it, but it seemed to work well on the SR-25 300 rounds between cleaning.
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Posted: 7/17/2008 4:20:24 PM EDT
[#33]
Used to use BF exclusively, but changed to a better CLP in FP10.
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Posted: 7/28/2008 11:07:36 PM EDT
[#34]
CorrosionX, or possibly the new Weapon Shield.
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Posted: 7/29/2008 5:12:00 AM EDT
[#35]
I gotta say im lovin Slip 2000 right now. It stays wet and it takes about 1/3 of the patches it took BF to get my barrels clean.
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Posted: 7/29/2008 10:50:49 AM EDT
[#36]
My findings as well......Slip is good stuff. |
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Posted: 7/30/2008 5:32:36 PM EDT
[#37]
I have owned 14 AR-15's and have only have had 5 jams. Most of them were ammo related(Wolf). I have used LSA, CLP and rilfe grease(really thick stuff). I don't think the type of lube really matters as long as it isn't WD40 or Rem Oil. I am going to stick with the breakfree(clp) for now since it is fine in my ar's. My Kimber pistol is not doing well at the moment so I might try the FP-10 with that since Kimber says that works well.
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=1089 |
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Posted: 7/30/2008 11:50:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Get some Weapon Shield rather than the FP-10.I can tell you from first hand experience that the Weapon Shield will stay on the weapon alot longer in use and storage and is a kick ars lube.Probably due to the slightly heavier viscosity and the fact its a full synthetic oil. Also from what Ive seen in personal use the Weapon Shield is a much better protectant and cleaner. Basically Weapon Shield a more up to date full synthetic rather than the synthetic blend FP-10.Both of the products were designed and formulated by the same guy(George Fennell) a decade or so apart so the performance characteristics basically remain the same otherwise. www.weaponshield.com/page2.htm Send them an email and they will give you a sample to try out. |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 4:10:31 AM EDT
[#39]
What about LSA? Am I just a throwback? he
I've used it for years though my supply is not limitless and will be 're-lubing' soon, hence taking a look at this great thread... |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 5:27:44 AM EDT
[#40]
alwas end up coming back to CLP, from BF
TXL |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 5:11:42 AM EDT
[#41]
I like Slip 2000, MPro-7, Gun Butter, & Slide Glide. These are all very good. Slip 2000 is my favorite for the AR. I am sure there are other good ones. There must be a gajillion on the market. Can't try them all.
Like others have said, keeping it lubed is the first step, and more important that the choice of lube. For those that do lube regularly, there will never be a consensus. 
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Posted: 8/28/2008 12:35:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Great cleaner. So far hasn't been shit talked by anyone. Many say that SLIP200 is better, but that MPro-7 is still a good cleaner. I've found it works better than most of the smelly solvents like Hoppe #7, and the like for carbon. Doesn't do much for copper though. I've heard (here) that their CLP is pretty good. Not many people seem to have used it though. |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 8:26:15 PM EDT
[#43]
I would have to say BF CLP is the best.. you can clean and lube your whole gun with it and your Bore.. I dont use solvent anymore just CLP. I find it works better and cleans faster then hoppes Solvent.. I have been using it since I got my AR about half a year ago and I love the stuff..
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Posted: 8/29/2008 3:34:11 PM EDT
[#44]
i'm a big fan of running a wet gun. i know many are not. that said, i use breakfree clp and have been since the 80's. i think it does an excellent job of cleaning, lubing and preserving.
some things i have noticed. on the rare occasion when bf-clp gets hot and starts to smoke i know it is time to let the gun cool and re lube. it can be used as sort of an alarm. this way i don't overheat the gun. i think it is a great preservative. i've never seen rust on a bf-clp cleaned gun. i went a year shooting an old skeet gun weekly. during this period i never cleaned the gun and the bf-clp still prevented rust from forming. this included shooting in the rain and snow. my method of cleaning may be different than most. i'm lazy, so i'm a big fan of brake cleaner working in conjunction with the bf-clp. with the dirty clp-wet gun, a judicious spray of brake cleaner cleans the gun spotless. all crud and gunk is removed. i think this is in part due to the clp wet gun; the crud never gets a chance to attach it just sort of floats. then i will run a copper solvent patch through the bbl, though i have never noticed any copper. (i don't know if this is the bbl's or the clp.) then i generously reapply/soak with bf-clp. i found i no longer have to take the bolt/carrier apart as it is not necessary. it is spotless. the nozzles on the brake cleaner can and the br-clp can work perfect to fit the holes in the sides of the bolt carrier. i know my cleaning system would not work in artic or mideast conditions, but i am not in the artic or the mideast. i don't want you to think i abuse my guns, to the contrary, i am very particular about them, my rifles are all 1/2 moa competition shooters. if the groups open up they get a new bbl. other than that one shotgun (i bought it used and pretty beat up, but it shoots great.) my guns are spotlessly clean and they are cleaned immediately after shooting. joe |
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Posted: 8/29/2008 6:40:23 PM EDT
[#45]
I've been using M Pro 7 gun cleaner and I really like it. It cleans just as good as Hoppes 9 and doesn't have the smell that drives the girls out of the house. I've been using it as a cleaner and Slip 2000 as a lube. This combo seems very effective.
I got some Weapon Sheild in the mail today. I am excited to try it. I am also interested in trying Machine Gunner's Lube. Take care. |
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Posted: 8/29/2008 7:12:08 PM EDT
[#46]
used BF CLP on everything from 155mm &105mm howitzers, M-2 .50BMG, M-60, M-1, M1 carb, M-14, AR-15, 1911autos, and S&W revolvers. how about Fishing reels? works great--- all the time.
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Posted: 9/8/2008 7:31:46 AM EDT
[#47]
I guess CLP is still the favorite.
I never used it until I got the info from this site. It is my go to penetrating oil now and has many lubricating uses in the shop. Good stuff. |
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Posted: 9/9/2008 7:09:44 AM EDT
[#48]
Came across this new site for a new lube called Nanolube, go to NanoLube.net it sound good.
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Posted: 9/9/2008 12:33:52 PM EDT
[#49]
Junk. $25 an ounce is a total joke. |
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Posted: 9/9/2008 6:30:49 PM EDT
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Yup. I would say look for the nanolube thread on m4carbine, but last I checked it was gone. |
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