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Posted: 7/25/2004 6:28:30 PM EDT
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Not that i don't shoot really great, and said I'd prefer someone who CAN shoot really well to try it out before I pass judgement on accuracy. And I really don't shoot great. Trust me. Getting pics now. |
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Posted: 7/25/2004 8:31:56 PM EDT
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Colors match ok with a bushy non-purple lower, but the cf is kinda splotchy looking:
 FUnky:  Short video 5mb One mag through. Most of what you hear is from other rifles on the range. |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 3:07:58 PM EDT
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Leeeetle bump here--too damn many 9mm threads at the top of the forum!
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Posted: 7/27/2004 4:31:24 PM EDT
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I get a codec error when trying to load that file? Is it vid and audio or just audio?
ym |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 4:36:02 PM EDT
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It's in Divx. www.divx.com. Get the ad-free version (smallprint below the other download choices). |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 3:50:15 AM EDT
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I called Bushmaster and they said, you don't have to take the buffer tube off to install the spacer and spring. The accuracy is another concern.
I'm having second thoughts about this upper because of all the different stories I'm getting. I'm thinking of canceling my order. Maybe a DPMS upper??? Help. Colt_SBR |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 4:21:07 AM EDT
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personally I would go with the DPMS. With what it sounds like a real PNA just to get simple things done like cleaning or clearing of a dead round just doesn't seem worth it to me on the bushy.
The only thing I would like about it would be the T Bolt&C. Or atleast I think I would. I'm no big fan of carbon fiber either. up to you though. BTW midway has the flattop for 379.00 www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/134865 or you could go to the extreme side and do the JP upper but its almost 1000 just for an upper. ym |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 6:34:47 AM EDT
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I looked at the DPMS AR-15 .22LR cal. Lo-Pro Flattop Upper Assembly. I like the traditional AR-15 look. Front sight and hand guards.
Does DPMS build a more traditional looking .22LR cal. Flattop upper? If they do, where's the best and lowest priced place to get one? Colt_SBR |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 6:41:55 AM EDT
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yes they do make other types. The URL below is the complete ones but you can search through
and find just the uppers. Last I heard cheaperthandirt.com had the M4 model. www.dpmsinc.com/22_lr.html the only thing I will mine had was a shell deflector. I have been trying to come up with something I could put on there to kick them frontwards, haven't come up with anything yet though. ym |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 6:49:28 AM EDT
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Thanks wolf-ym. I'm there now.
I canceled the Bushmaster upper  and doing more research before I order again. Colt_SBR |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 6:54:29 AM EDT
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ya man no prob.
ym
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Posted: 7/28/2004 7:22:57 AM EDT
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keep in mind DPMS has ZERO plans for hicaps. and mags for the CZ uppers are hard to find.
mike |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 7:30:31 AM EDT
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Cheaper Than Dirt has the M4 model and the A2 'match' model for $400 each. I have the A2, it does about 2-3" at 100yds, from sitting position with irons & sling.... 50yd group -> ~1.5-2" Ammo used was hollow-point 'XPERT-22'... |
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Posted: 7/28/2004 7:33:59 AM EDT
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Yup thats true as far as WE know. Then again for all we know they could have everything setup to go
soon as AWB sunsets. Or maybe their waiting to see if there will be enough demand to justy it. The way the mag looks on the bushy, looks like making a high cap mag would be simple. This presents a interesting question. 1) Buy a bushy and go through what looks like alot PNA stuff so you can do normal care and field issues. Its carbon fiber ewwww IMHO and get high cap mags. I could be wrong on the PNA stuff but it sure looks like it is. or 2) Buy a DPMS and only have 10 round mags but everything else is fine and just like any other AR. I think that even if DPMS doesn't make high cap mags that someone will, and will make a killing off of them. SO if DPMS isn't interested thats their loss. Plus whoever does make them better damn well make them metal this time. ym
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Posted: 7/28/2004 9:26:01 AM EDT
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I belive BM has said on another thread that they will consider making hi-caps after the sunset, but they didn't commit to it. DPMS has apparently said they won't, but there was somebody from England saying on a thread here recently that a company over there is planning to make 25-rounders for the DPMS if the ban sunsets. I thought the CZ and the DPMS used the same mags.
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Posted: 7/28/2004 9:48:24 AM EDT
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I don't think DPMS can afford not to get them or make them. But the company that comes out with
mini drum is going to rule the .22 market. Oh and a side note to whoever does it. MAKE IT METAL!! ym
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Posted: 7/28/2004 12:53:01 PM EDT
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i spoke with bushy a few days ago about the 22 upper. THEY ARE planning on hicaps. They are already in the works.
mike |
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Posted: 7/30/2004 12:49:54 PM EDT
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If you fiddle with the upper/lower you can assemble then without removing the buttstock.
You have to slide the upper from the front of the lower back to get it to fit. Not terribly handy or easy. reverse that to get it out. It's tricky and sorta needs three hands to get it done. Once the upper is in place you have to hold it and push the pins in. |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 9:39:37 AM EDT
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WHOOOOOO HOOOOOO
my bushy upper just came in. first impressions VERY well made. VERY light. The way the buffer is made does make for an interesting takedown but it can be down with a little practice. Upper is a VERY tight fit on the lower. Negatives... Upper is a VERY tight fit. needed a hammer and punch to seat the pins. I expect this to loosen up with some use. ZERO usable instruction for this upper included. they ship a generic carbon 15 manual. I had to figure out how the buffer works by trial and error. <not to hard to figure. I fired 10 rounds off the back porch. had 2 misfeeds. I think this was more of an ammo issue than the rifle itself. Sights were dead on at 25yrds. i was shooting very close to point of aim. So far i really like it. Super lightweight and looks to be a pretty reliable design after a little break in. It will probobly get a 1000 rounds or so through it saturday at our GA/AL shoot. i will report back then. mike |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 10:12:46 AM EDT
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i just put a tasco propoint red dot on the bushy. Irons co witness perfectly.
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Posted: 8/4/2004 10:21:03 AM EDT
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Which one? my pdp5 is a tad high. |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 10:41:43 AM EDT
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a few pics
upper and lower match  pic of how buffer would sit in tube  pic of bolt and buffer assembly 
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Posted: 8/4/2004 11:44:52 AM EDT
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another bright note.
this thing eats aguliia colibr like candy. just fired 50 rnds as fast as i could reload and cycle it with ZERO malfunctions. I have never has a .22lr semi that wouldn't jam like crazy on this stuff. mike |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 11:56:11 AM EDT
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Did they clear the barrel?
 The "Pro" column is quickly outweighing the "Con" column in my mind. Bob
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Posted: 8/4/2004 12:09:38 PM EDT
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yep they shot fine. Although round 70+ just started having feed problems. on inspection those colibri's leaded the hell out of the chamber. Gonna clean it and put a few lr's through it to blow out the crud.
So far it has exceeded my expectations. get some hicaps and this thing will be FUNNNNNNNNNN!! One of the GA is bringing a DPMS upper to our shoot saturday. we are going to get some side by side pics and reviews. mike |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 12:35:52 PM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet that after seeing the two together, you like the DPMS better. One downside to it: If you want to shoot iron sights, the DPMS will cost you about $100 more, give or take, where the Bushy has them right out of the box. |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 1:26:23 PM EDT
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the DPMS with sights and extra mag ws almost 200.00 more than the bushy setup. Sory but i can't justify that for a .22. I could have built another .223 for that or less.
mike |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 2:21:31 PM EDT
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I was using the remington golden saber hollow points (i think?) and had no jams. Now, the lower is DIRTY, though....haven't gotten a chance to clean the upper yet.
Also have to chop the buffer tube down to fit the carbine one of these days. I'll try and get pics... |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 3:05:03 PM EDT
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Lessee, here's how mine broke down: DPMS M4 .22 upper from CTD: $400 Chinese carry handle/sights from SARCO: $50 Cheap 4x scope, cheap rings, cheap handle mount: $38 Cheap Walmart BSA red dot scope and cheap handle mount: $42 Two spare mags from Midway: $46 Preban lower: Long ago paid for Look on my kid's face when he shoots it: PRICELESS! Seriously, $530 for the upper, three sighting systems and two spare mags--I could have built two killer 10/22s for that (well, one with a good scope, anyway), but not another whole .223 AR (including lower). And if we save 18 cents every time we pull the triger (vs .223), it "pays for itself" in, what, 3,000 rounds? (My kid must be approaching the halfway point with it already.) |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 3:17:17 PM EDT
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i have under 450 in this whole rifle including the tasco propoint.
I have no doubt the DPMS is a high quality upper. But for a plinking/fun gun i don't think it's going to shoot 150.00+ any better. Not to mention DPMS has stated no hicaps. I can get into a complete AR for 550-600. 450.00 is actually pushing the limits of what i would spend on any .22lr mike |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 3:25:26 PM EDT
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Yup. Now with 11+ rnd mags or a can or a title 2 lower....would be even more fun. 
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Posted: 8/4/2004 3:33:22 PM EDT
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Come to think of it, it's about four times what I have in most of my OTHER .22s! But I'm getting old--the money won't keep you warm at night, and it's not fit to eat. 
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Posted: 8/4/2004 5:21:32 PM EDT
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just shot it again. had a plastic easter egg dancing around nicely at about 60-70 yrds. No complaints about accuracy so far. The irons are dead on from the factory. i can honestly say 10 round mags in this thing suck. You need at LEAST 30 rnds to have any fun.
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Posted: 8/4/2004 6:12:34 PM EDT
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Well, you still have to LOAD the bastards, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Got three tenners for my DPMS and that's keepin' me happy. Not that I wouldn't buy some 20s or 30s if they were available!
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Posted: 8/4/2004 8:47:47 PM EDT
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Slayer might not. Mines the flat top heavy barrel version. Pretty heavy with scope somewhere in the 10 to 12lbs with bipod etc. Which reminds me I need to get to wally mart and pick up a few bricks for this weekend. ......... wolf |
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Posted: 8/5/2004 4:27:21 AM EDT
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10lbs for a 22
WOW!!! i don't think my whole rifle loaded breaks 5!! |
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Posted: 8/5/2004 5:35:27 AM EDT
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yup Sheila is heavy but a tack drive even at 150 yards.
But she's not your run and shoot type. You'll understand when you see her in person. wolf |
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Posted: 8/5/2004 7:11:22 AM EDT
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Does anyone know if the bushmaster .22 bolt carrier will work with an M16 lower?
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Posted: 8/5/2004 7:31:31 AM EDT
[#39]
yes it should |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 3:34:56 PM EDT
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A British Company 'Southern Gun Company' has just released a purpose made 30 round mag for the CZ upper. They are going to do a version for the DPMS as well…You will need to email them as they don't update their site for montha at a time. http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/ ANdy |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 3:38:50 PM EDT
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I would be interested to know if the Bushmaster mags would work with an M261 bolt assembly. My Bushy AR15A2 is fitted with one… ANdy |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 4:20:24 PM EDT
[#42]
dpms announced they are considering hicaps if the ban dies.
mike |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 4:21:58 PM EDT
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dpms announced they are considering hicaps if the ban dies.
mike |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 4:22:54 PM EDT
[#44]
dpms announced they are considering hicaps if the ban dies.
mike |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 5:12:36 PM EDT
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Mike do you think DPMS is going to consider hicap mags after the ban dies? Wolf |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 6:45:07 PM EDT
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damn gotta love dial up
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Posted: 8/10/2004 6:32:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2004 9:59:35 AM EDT
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Bushmaster. I tried to open the link and only get an error message. Colt_SBR |
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Posted: 8/11/2004 5:25:16 AM EDT
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ok after over a brick of ammo here are my impressions.
This is a VERY accurate upper. Very light VERY fast to handle. the mags are the weak link in this kit. I have two and both have problems with 10 rounds loaded. the first round always stove pipes. with 9 rnds loaded no problem. i am hoping this is just a breakin problem Federal lightning ammo is iffy. Soft lead and semiauto is usually a problem any way. Jacketed ammo run flawless. Rapid fire in this thing is UNREAL!!! Shooting off a bench on our plate range i did a mag dump on a painted stell plate. at 25yrds all 9 rounds were in an area just under 1.5" Haven't shot for groups at distance yet but i have a feeeling it will do well. They chamber is prone to leading with soft bullets. If you use cheap ammo keeping it clean is a MUST. overall this thing is WELL worth the price. I am considering a second one now. mike |
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Posted: 8/11/2004 7:17:46 AM EDT
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Great review mike!!
Wolf |
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