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Posted: 2/23/2006 9:59:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:07:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:10:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:10:52 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:14:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:17:55 PM EDT
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sweet
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:23:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:27:53 PM EDT
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Good review. Thanks.
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Posted: 2/23/2006 10:46:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2006 12:23:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2006 12:49:19 AM EDT
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Wolf Gold is reported to be Prvi Partizan as well.
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Posted: 2/24/2006 3:52:10 AM EDT
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Cool! I was checking this stuff at at the local gun show last weekend,it seemed expensive.Especially when Federal XM193 was priced at $105.00 a few booths over.
Regarding this pic,what differance(if any) does it make when the jacket is thicker ? I'm not sure if it is called jacket,but it looks like it is jacketing something.  And,what is the stuff inside there ?
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Posted: 2/24/2006 4:11:33 AM EDT
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Yes, jacket.... made of copper in the M193 spec..... inside it is lead... to provide weight. A jacket that is too think will hold the bullet together "too well" inside any squishy object it hits.... You may want that, you may not. In 5.56 in flesh, we want the bullet to yaw then begin to break apart, starting at the cannelure (the band of indentations). A jacket that is too think will hamper the breaking apart (fragmentation). Excellent reading: www.ammo-oracle.com/ |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 4:20:54 AM EDT
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tag for range report!
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Posted: 2/24/2006 4:24:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2006 4:27:02 AM EDT
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Falarak is crazy. The only thing missing is Carbon 14 tests on the jacket!
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:06:33 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:09:09 AM EDT
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Coming shortly! |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:12:32 AM EDT
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FALARAK thanks. I look forward to the rest of the testing. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:15:59 AM EDT
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(sign) tag... if RRs are positive, there goes more money out of my account!
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:17:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:19:24 AM EDT
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So far Wolf M193 is looking good!
Good work FALARAK! 
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Posted: 2/24/2006 5:22:49 AM EDT
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Good job FALARAK! If one guy (you) does it right then the rest of us (lazy slobs like me) don't have to worry, wonder or take things apart ourselves.
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:11:33 AM EDT
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Great job on this post, Falarak.
I look forward to the range report(s). CSP |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:19:22 AM EDT
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I'm still puzzled by the stick powder. That was part of the problem with the early M-16s IIRC.
NOT that this is necessarily the same powder that gave the M-16 problems back in the day. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:26:01 AM EDT
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Awesome. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:29:10 AM EDT
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Just the opposite.... Stoner designed and tested around stick powder, and the .mil change to ball powder was brought as one of the reasons the failures were seen in the field. Later - evaluation speculated that it isnt the difference between stick or ball, but more the powder type.... the ball powder chosen by .gov for the early M16 rounds left too much unburned powder in the direct impingement system. Coupled with an un-chromed chamber, lack of training on cleaning... this increased the problems seen. It is very interesting... since I havent seen a military M193 or M855 round that didnt use a flattened ball type powder. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:35:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:54:57 AM EDT
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That's what I figgered! |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 9:28:03 AM EDT
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Yeah the powder is different!
Ive pulled lots of military rounds 5.56mm all had ball type FEDERAL 69bthp use`s that type of LOOKING powder ! edit sorry my bad I just new it would be good stuff! hell wolf period is good ammo.
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Posted: 2/24/2006 9:46:08 AM EDT
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Yes. Maybe not for the bullet, but these aren't match bullets as was pointed out earlier. But 3-4 garins deviations among cases and .2 deviation within powder charges (especially for extruded) are well within normal ranges. This ammo looks good. As shown in the pics Prvi Partizan manufactures the ammo, Wolf just distributes it. Prvi Partizan makes pretty good brass, this isn't lacquered steel or polymer coated stuff. Their brass is just as good as Lake City. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 10:13:28 AM EDT
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And its NOT factory seconds and thirds like XM and XM***PD
could it be a replacement for the SHTF ammo? :-D Inquiring minds want to know.. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 10:36:23 AM EDT
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It is for me .
SHTF 2006 factory fresh M193 FALARAK thanks for your speed email! and all you have done for use! everyone get your orders in! I bet ammoman will have a hard time keeping up.
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Posted: 2/24/2006 10:42:15 AM EDT
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Sportsman's Guide lists it as XM193. So is it or isn't it? That's what I want to know. " Ready to blast, at sweet prices! Jump on this ONLINE FAST! 200 rds. Wolf® .223 FMJ Ammo (XM193) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 400 rds. Wolf® .223 FMJ Ammo (XM193) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1,000 rds. Wolf® .223 FMJ Ammo (XM193) " |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 10:48:37 AM EDT
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Can't be XM.
XM is LC seconds and this is wolf ammo... Can't be XM so it's a typo probably due to somebody being so used to XM type ammo. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 10:49:51 AM EDT
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Sportman's Guide is full of shit. "XM193" is a term that Federal/ATK uses to label their 55gr M193 that is sold on the commercial market. This is NOT made by Federal/ATK. This is NOT "XM193". "XM193" is just a marketing label. M193 is a bullet construction spec. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 10:59:30 AM EDT
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SG wants alot more than 209 right?
where's hte cheapest shipped price? |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 12:16:43 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 2/24/2006 12:28:31 PM EDT
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SG is currently the only dealer carrying the Wolf M193 in the battle-packs. Ammoman and Ammunition Store are carrying the same ammo packed 20/box, 50 boxes/cardboard case. A few other dealers are expected to carry the Wolf M193 in the next few weeks. For prices and availability, check the WOLF M193 category in the Ammo Price List. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 12:32:12 PM EDT
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Why not Q3131? |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 12:59:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Thanks for the excellent review Falarak!
I was hoping to buy a case of cheap steel cased Wolf but may get this stuff instead. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:06:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:06:49 PM EDT
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Thanks, look forward to the chrono and frag test
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:08:43 PM EDT
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Do you know which dealers are expected to have this in stock soon? |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:13:00 PM EDT
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I'll be interested in the accuracy report. In most of my 223 testing I have gotten much better accuracy out of stick powder than ball....
coincidentally, yesterday I pulled a round of Hungarian 7,62x54R and lo and behold it looked to have the same type of stick powder I saw here on the board! things that make you go Hmmmm? This was 1950's production... |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:20:45 PM EDT
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hit me...
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:23:12 PM EDT
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Ok, I will do a 5 shot group for accuracy, but all my accuracy testing will be done with a known .5MOA capable stainless 20" AR.... I will be testing velocity out of a 16" and 20" chrome lined standard bushy barrel, however. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:34:08 PM EDT
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I can't wait for numbers from the chrony! If the FPS is on par with Q3131A then I'm in for a case or two right off the bat.
OT I hope they make the same for .308 (M80)! Does anyone know if this is planned?! |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 1:37:28 PM EDT
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