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Posted: 8/1/2005 12:32:48 PM EDT
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Just something I’ve had a hankering for and was wondering if it might be possible.
SBRed 458 SOCOM or 50 Beowulf, 10.5-inch barrel and a modified AK device like this. [Bill O’reilly]What say you?[/Bill O’reilly] |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 1:33:22 PM EDT
[#2]
I think that would be a ground-up modification to the AK device. Heck I think they are actually a little oversized for the 30 cal weapons but I don't think you could have it threaded and still squeeze a .458 or bigger chunk of lead through them. Here is a side-by-side of a .458 Vortex, 7.62 and 5.56 Vortex from Smith Enterprises...
 I bet you can't guess which one is for the .458!  Cool concept - maybe Noveske would be open to the idea... Spooky |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 6:39:54 PM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 8/1/2005 7:48:41 PM EDT
[#4]
Damn...I want one but $125??? That's a bit too much, heck I could probably buy a REAL Krinkov for that money.
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Posted: 8/2/2005 6:37:48 AM EDT
[#5]
IIRC they also sell the import ones for $85 or so. $125 is for the US manufactured units. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 10:35:53 AM EDT
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Don't forget if you buy the import ones you need the adapter as well... Spooky |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 10:41:04 AM EDT
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Yep, that's why it's so much. A "real" Krinkov won't fit on an AR barrel. The adapter is about $40. Guess where the $125 number comes from  Plus, the Noveske has the adapter permanently welded inside the FH, unlike buying the pieces. Personally I think this one is much better than a "real" Krinkov. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:44:25 PM EDT
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C4iGrant,
You still have these instock?  Also, how effective would they be on a 7.5" barrel? Anyone tried it on one yet? I've got a blaster that needs a little taming in the sound/flash department!!!! Semper Fi, ASO544 |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:18:21 PM EDT
[#9]
The Bulgarian KFH for $85 has a SS adaptor installed.
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:47:58 PM EDT
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So the difference between the US and Bulgarian KFH sold by JN Rifle Works is the US has the sleeve tig-welded, parkerized, and looks better.
The Bulgarian has the sleeve held in place by loc-tight and is "as is" regarding its imported finish. Correct? Do you have both models of these in stock and ready for shipping? I have a 7.5" upper that needs to be slightly tamed down!!!! Semper Fi, ASO544 |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:28:25 PM EDT
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I run one on my M1S 7.5" pistol and have to say it makes a hell of a difference. It is night and day with and without the KFH. Keep in mind that the one I have is for 7.62 as it is the import model that came with the 7.62 krinkovs. To prove the point, I fired the weapon both with and without the device and let curious onlookers try it out for themselves (at the July FDCC shoot). So far there are 2 people I know who plan on building ARs with them. Having this on a 7.5" upper makes it quite a bit more pleasant to shoot than a 14.5" with a phantom or a 16" with an A2 IMHO. If you are in North FL, I'd be happy to let anyone try it out at one of the FDCC shoots.
Tyrone |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:53:38 PM EDT
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You are correct about the differences. I'll add the US one is made of very good materials:
Body, 4142 End Cap, 4142L Cone, 304 SS Adaptor, 4140 .050" Music Wire Retainer There are several dealers on this site who stock them. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 8:18:27 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks for the info,
Can you advise on the dealers names? C4iGrant is the only one I know of and he is currently out of stock. Semper Fi, ASO544 |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 11:00:01 PM EDT
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Tyrone do you have any pictures of your baby that you can post or send to my e-mail? I really would like to see how it looks on your M1! 
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:31:52 AM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 8/3/2005 3:11:28 PM EDT
[#16]
Are there any plans to build them with the correct threading and not using the adapter? It would make sense to the non-engineer types like myself - one part versus two and a weld... Spooky |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 3:44:17 PM EDT
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I have one on order. I called and ordered. At the time I asked about making one with 9/16 LH threads for my FAL shorty. I was told that I was the first to ask for one. Anyone else interested, please ask as well. Mybe a run of them in the rear future would be nice. I am considering having one of my subgun barrels threaded for one. I could use the .30 cal for 7.62x25.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:30:17 PM EDT
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OK Ill be the oddball here, I want one inside ACME threaded to screw down on an AAC flash suppressor. So I can choose my can or the brake........Udog
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:55:39 PM EDT
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They are in stock and now come with a fire breathing pig on the side!  www.gandrtactical.com/noveske.htm C4 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:18:44 PM EDT
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M4-2000 to KFH, we have the same idea here. Not sure when, but it is on our list. Thanks,
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:27:12 PM EDT
[#21]
============== Hmmmm....lightbulb.......idea gestating here....Noveske + Vortex. With the Vortex being suppressor capable we could have something very interesting indeed. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:38:12 PM EDT
[#22]
Hot damn!, Need any beta testers?  .....No really |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 1:51:20 PM EDT
[#23]
So would it be pointless to use this device on a 16", or even 20" barrel?
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Posted: 9/1/2005 2:20:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Yep, unless you think it just looks cool....... It would certainly have the same "push forward" effect on the flash and blast, but it's already so far forward you wouldn't likely notice any difference in another few inches. Pushing the blast from 11.5 to 16 is a big deal, pushing it from 20 to 24, not so big a deal. |
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Posted: 9/8/2005 6:44:15 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 9/16/2005 1:45:06 PM EDT
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For anyone who might be interested, I emailed the manufacturer regarding using the Krinkov device on the 16" AR and also about availability of the device for Fal metric barrels and .308 Win use and here is the reply.
Hello Chris, Thank you for your interest in our KFH. The ideal barrel for the product is a 16" AR15 barrel. We will have some threaded 9/16x24 LH in approx 2 weeks. In regards to the larger cartridges such as the .308 Win, the KFH will cut the initial concusion and redirect the blast down range. Cassandra www.jnrifleworks.com |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 2:54:57 PM EDT
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Yes |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 4:40:13 PM EDT
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Case in point, my flawlessly running MT6700 Zombie rifle. Barrel is cut to 18 inches, and the stock Colt rifle extension and buffer system is used. When test fired using the Krink, and its attributes were noted, 1)percieved noise decreased 2)muzzle jump neglible 3) blast noise to adjacent bench user was less. And one FTEx jam within 10 rounds, each time the Krink was reinstalled. Sure, throwing an O-ring on the extractor might cure it. Or a heavier buffer. It just occurred to me the Colt uses their carrier with the bottom cut away, probably lighter than a RRA, etc. carrier. It acted exactly like an overgassed shorty, with cases thrown around 20% farther when corect extraction/ejection did occur(90% of the time). But the extra gas also caused cases to still be sticking to the chamber walls as the carrier movement begins, hence the extractor slipping from the rim 10% of the time. After reinstalling the A1 flash hider, the Zombie rifle went several 20 round dumps without incident. A 16 inch barrel would have even more length between the gas port and muzzle, I would think the gas boosting effects would be even more noticeable! I understood in advance these were made for shorties, and I emailed John about the functional issues I encountered with my rifle. I am sure there is a solution, but as mentioned, these things weigh 9 oz. My barrel is 0.700 under the guard, and I feel the Krink "felt" fine when mounted. No way you would want it on a 20 inch HBAR with loaded rails. But offhand rapid double taps when working were very sweet...it would almost be worth installing an adjustable gas system to make it more tuneable. Meanwhile, plan A always was to use the Krink on a 10.25 pistol barrel that uses a 0.070 port, so it can probably use all the gas boost available. Paladin I still dig the look! 
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Posted: 9/16/2005 5:58:48 PM EDT
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I HAVE RUN THE KFH ON:
7.5" 5.56MM 10.5" 5.56MM 16" 5.56MM 12" 6.8 SPC 16" .308 IT DOES WHAT IT IS ADVERTISED TO DO WITH RESPECT TO NOISE, BLAST, ETC. I HAVE NOT TRIED IT IN THE DARK, BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE REPORTS FROM RELIABLE SOURCES THAT IT WORKS WELL AS A FLASH SUPPRESSOR. THE KFH BOOSTS THE DWELL TIME AT THE GAS PORT, SINCE IT ACTS LIKE A SLIGHTLY LONGER BARREL. IN GUNS THAT NEED MORE GAS TO FUNCTION RELIABLY, AS MANY SHORTIES DO, THIS IS A GOOD THING. IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH GAS, THOUGH, AS WITH THE 7.5" UPPER (RUNS TOO FAST, ALREADY!) I HAVE, IT CAN BE MORE THAN YOU REALLY NEED, DRIVING UP CYCLIC RATE AND GENERALLY RUNNING THE GUN HARDER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE RUN. HOWEVER, I THINK IT POSSIBLE TO OPTIMIZE AN UPPER WITH THE H2 BUFFER, AS NOVESKI SUGGESTS, THE KFH, AND THE RIGHT SIZE GAS PORT. AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE 6.8 SPC HAS BEEN THROUGH A FEW ITERATIONS SINCE ITS CONCEPTION. EARLIER LOADS WERE A BIT HOTTER, REQUIRING SMALLER GAS PORTS. THEN, AS THE LOADINGS DROPPED A BIT, 100 FPS OR SO, LARGER GAS PORTS WERE REQUIRED. UNLESS YOU HAVE A KFH! THIS IS A 12" 6.8 SPC, WITH THE ORIGINAL GAS PORT SIZE. IT RUNS LIKE A TOP WITH THE KFH AND CURRENT AMMO. IT HAS ALMOST NO RECOIL, AND ABSOLUTLEY NO BLAST. YET THE SAME BARREL LENGTH WITH A BARRETT M468 BRAKE WILL CLEAN OUT YOUR SINUSES! PIC OF BARRET 12" M468:  PLUS, THE M468 ACTUALLY KICKS AND MOVES ALL OVER WHEN YOU SHOOT IT. DID I MENTION THE M468 IS LOUD AS HELL? NONE OF THAT WITH THE KFH AND THE CORRECT SIZE GAS PORT:  WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:36:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Slightly different twist. Would there be any benefit to adding one to a 13" barrel (permanently attached)?
Bomber |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 4:29:56 PM EDT
[#31]
I think that’s short enough to see all of the Krink’s benefits, without being a mere waste of added weight and length. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 4:35:55 PM EDT
[#32]
13.65" minimum for permanent attachment, to meet 16".
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Posted: 9/19/2005 4:45:29 PM EDT
[#33]
Point taken.... VA Dinger....thanks to you also for your input....it may have cost me a bundle  Bomber |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 4:58:21 PM EDT
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I know what you mean. I look forward to seeing this project in the next class we take together. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:03:58 PM EDT
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Anyone working on/make an adapter for this that will accept a suppressor?
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Posted: 9/20/2005 9:31:41 AM EDT
[#36]
My question exactly.... I use a suppressor 50% of the time in my job but I really like the KFH as well, it would be great if they came up with some type of QD attachment so I could switch backand forth... |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 9:42:08 AM EDT
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It would not be that hard, and it would be fucking trick, for Gemtech to make a Bi-Lock adapter for a KFH. |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 3:38:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Glad to see I am not the only one thinking of using a suppressor with the KFH. |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 4:05:20 PM EDT
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oh theres more than you think! |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 4:05:24 PM EDT
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How could you fit a supressor OVER the KFH? That thing is BIG.
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:27:55 PM EDT
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CJ, I think you may be thinking about this all wrong. They are looking for an adapter to go on the end of the barrel that would be common to the suppressor and the KFH. In other words, take off the KFH, put on the suppressor OR take off the suppressor and then put on the KFH. Bomber |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:31:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Exactamundo. Making the KFH with a Bi-Lock mechanism would be titties and beer. |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:34:05 PM EDT
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Ah, ok. That would be long though, wouldnt it?
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:35:56 PM EDT
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I'm mean and I'm bad you know I ain't no sissy  FZBomber |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:39:01 PM EDT
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Nah, not really. Maybe add an inch or so to OAL, and would make it look cylindrical instead of having a collar at the back end to allow room for the spring and cam collar. |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:39:19 PM EDT
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Not necessarily. If you're using it as a close quarters weapon, you're probably sporting a 10.5/11.5 so you have some room to grow. Bomber |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:44:19 PM EDT
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How about a setup with a supressor that replaces the cone in the KFH? You could screw it onto the external threads. Unthreading might be a problem though.....
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:46:42 PM EDT
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I don't think anyone wants to go there. That would make the KFH a suppressor part, which would be good for absolutely no one. |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:50:48 PM EDT
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No more a supressor part than a biloc. Or an A2 FS since the HALO came out.
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Posted: 9/20/2005 5:54:21 PM EDT
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Well, I think you're wrong, but there's no sense arguing about it. |
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