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Posted: 1/3/2006 7:05:39 PM EDT

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I met the company president at Camp Perry last summer and we chatted for a while. Does he remember me? Not a chance.

I have talked to some of the ArmaLite people on the phone and via email, they were alsways nice to me.

That would be Col. (retired) Mark Westrom. He is a great guy, a true gentleman, and a straight shooter. My favorite guy in the industry.

Posted: 1/3/2006 7:07:04 PM EDT

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Did I ever tell the story about the US Property armalite rifle I fired with a group of air force reservists?

Air force reserve group shows up at our range to break-in the weekend warriors who had never fired a gun in their lives.
Sealed case of M16's
Not M16A1, Not M16A2, just M16's (by configuration)
The kids spent the first half of the day doing slow-fire semi auto shooting from the bench.
I happened to be attending our monthly pistol/shotgun action match in the back 40.
Well, we finish up and the Reservists want to use the back 40 for some auto fire.
Club rules require a club member to be present so I volunteer, not realizing what they have in the case.
So they pull them out and I get to pick my rifle.
There's this pretty green stocked Colts Armalite AR-15.
This is my rifle, there are not many like it, but this one is mine
It said Armalite on the side, so it's an armalite right
So there's my anecdotal evidence that .mil DID buy armalites...
So what if it was a Colt's Armalite.
So what if it was a 4 digit serial number starting with 39 or 59, I forget.
So what if the M16 had not even been adopted yet when this rifle was born.
It said Armalite on the side of it, so na na na na na...

How's that for stirring the pot?
The regulars will know I'm just having fun, but my story is true and first hand.
The newbie can go piss off...

Those were Colt's Model 01's, and they were not US Property marked, serial numbers ran up to 13,XXX. The Colt's Model 02 was the first US Property marked AR-15, and were delivered in 1963/64, serial number range 18,XXX-39,XXX. Free US Service rifle trivia of the day.

Posted: 1/3/2006 7:16:54 PM EDT

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Free US Service rifle trivia of the day.

hey, none of that book learning from you!

Posted: 1/3/2006 7:20:45 PM EDT

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I met the company president at Camp Perry last summer and we chatted for a while. Does he remember me? Not a chance.

I have talked to some of the ArmaLite people on the phone and via email, they were alsways nice to me.

That would be Col. (retired) Mark Westrom. He is a great guy, a true gentleman, and a straight shooter. My favorite guy in the industry.

Ekie, that is exactly correct. He is a really nice guy and very proud of his company and its products, and I like that. He also did not talk badly about any of the competition and that, I respect.

I am also convinced that nobody at Colt, Bushmaster, RRA and others would badmouth the competition either. There are all classy companies.

(They keep telling me to take my rose-colored glasses off, but I LIKE my rose-colored glasses. Do you have a problem with that?)

Posted: 1/3/2006 7:39:20 PM EDT

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Those were Colt's Model 01's, and they were not US Property marked, serial numbers ran up to 13,XXX. The Colt's Model 02 was the first US Property marked AR-15, and were delivered in 1963/64, serial number range 18,XXX-39,XXX. Free US Service rifle trivia of the day.

There was only the 1 OLD rifle in the case which I snagged so maybe it was not US marked.
All the others were certainly newer Colt M16's and were US Prop marked.
One of those was the one with the backwards hammer spring I had to fix.
All had armorer's tags from 1985 or so and this was around 2000 whe we played with them.

Posted: 1/3/2006 8:03:50 PM EDT

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Doing this from memory, Armalite sold AR15 rights to Colt in the 60's so could not build them after that.

Armalite eventually had others make their other designs like the AR-180 in England and Japan until they shut their doors around 1980 or so.

As Colt patents expired in the middle 80’s, Bushmaster started making AR15s, followed by others. In the late 80’s a company named Eagle Arms appeared with AR15s. When they got the cash together they tracked down the owner of the Armalite name (on paper) and bought it from him. So was born the new Armalite rifle around 1990-1992. In 2005 they forgot to pay their web bills and disappeared for a few weeks.

I do okay?

Posted: 1/3/2006 8:06:06 PM EDT

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backwards hammer spring

man that is getting crazy common nowadays, had to tack a thread in Troubleshooting

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=66&t=241858

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I do okay?

you forgot to start out with, "a friend told me."

Posted: 1/3/2006 8:10:37 PM EDT

[#8]

Now if Eagle would only buy that California toy company and build ARs with their name on the side too...

Posted: 1/3/2006 8:22:36 PM EDT

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man that is getting crazy common nowadays, had to tack a thread in Troubleshooting

I guess not JUST nowadays.
The whole case of rifles had 1985 or 1986 armorer's tags on them as did the whole case before the airman cut it open.

Major light strikes and the rifle would not run.
I popped out the FCG pins with a round of ammo, fixed the spring and put it all back together.
The reservists were in awe.
The one airman ended up coming back to shoot matches with us until he got moved when they closed March Air Force Base.

Posted: 1/3/2006 8:43:26 PM EDT

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this guy is great

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I am pretty sure we should be banned from speaking at all much less on important forums like this one.

I agree.

hatYou are just like the L.A. Times only fatter and with half the I.Q. points. Whatever high school you are the janitor for is lucky to have you.

Posted: 1/3/2006 8:48:01 PM EDT

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give the new guyhr

I did, he asked a question, he was answered, he argued with the answer using false information. We tend to step on false info here as soon as possible since it tends to propagate

Mattel anyone?

Actually that is false but at this point it really doesn’t matter much. First off I didn’t ask “You” anything. Secondly I didn’t spread “False information” (Still seeing commies behind bushes are we? They have medicine for that you know?) I stated that I thought that Armalite had provided the U.S. Marines some A2’s in the mid 80’s. I also made it very clear that I was unsure about this. All this was in my first post by the way. This quote pretty much clears all that up. “…later I heard that some Armalite A2’s were being issued though I never saw one.” If your dumb ass would read you would realize that.

It was you that crashed my thread and came in here swinging you dick like you were John Holmes. Then you got in a tizzy because I didn’t take your word as gospel even though I have no idea who you are. (those were better days back when I had no idea of your existence… ahh memories!) I have admitted that you were right about that. (I actually never really cared about it in the first place) But you still have gained no cred with me. You are an arrogant ass who does what he does because he has risen as far as he can. A medium sized fish with a small intellect in a small pond.

I got most of the info I came for. So have your fun tweak. God knows it is the only satisfaction you get in your pathetic little existence. I feel sorry for self-important bastards like you. Again you are more than welcome to never come back. I know that is unlikely though because you are just too thick to stop coming. he

Look, I've got no dog in this hunt, I could see why you took offense, but on the other hand, What I just quoted wasn't quite how it went. You know, if someone spits on you, it just makes you wet. You need a thick skin around here if you're going to last. Now, you don't have to want to hang around but I've found this to be the most informative site on the AR15 weapon there is. There are HIGHLY and I mean Highly knowledgeable people that are here. You need a thick skin and you need to know enough to cut through the BS. How do you know enough, well you know it when you can spot the BS. And on top of that, many points are open to discussion. It's the nature of the beast. Just start over, forget this thread ever happened and maybe we'll all get along. For a bit anyways. hr

Thanks JJ. Actually I really don’t care much anymore. I got over it yesterday I’m just having some fun at this assholes expense now.

Posted: 1/3/2006 8:59:20 PM EDT

[#12]

Bushy is what I went with and I've been happy with it.
Colt is over-priced and over-rated if you ask me.

Posted: 1/3/2006 9:30:26 PM EDT

[#13]

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Free US Service rifle trivia of the day.

hey, none of that book learning from you!

You know better, ain't none of that found in a book, yet.

Posted: 1/3/2006 9:31:23 PM EDT

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I met the company president at Camp Perry last summer and we chatted for a while. Does he remember me? Not a chance.

I have talked to some of the ArmaLite people on the phone and via email, they were alsways nice to me.

That would be Col. (retired) Mark Westrom. He is a great guy, a true gentleman, and a straight shooter. My favorite guy in the industry.

Ekie, that is exactly correct. He is a really nice guy and very proud of his company and its products, and I like that. He also did not talk badly about any of the competition and that, I respect.

I am also convinced that nobody at Colt, Bushmaster, RRA and others would badmouth the competition either. There are all classy companies.

(They keep telling me to take my rose-colored glasses off, but I LIKE my rose-colored glasses. Do you have a problem with that?)

Agreed on Mark, rose colored glasses account for the rest.

Posted: 1/3/2006 9:33:55 PM EDT

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There was only the 1 OLD rifle in the case which I snagged so maybe it was not US marked.

Yeah, the orginal AR-15 delivered were not US Property marked, they were COTS purchased. Your memory does you well.

Posted: 1/3/2006 9:34:25 PM EDT

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this guy is great

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I am pretty sure we should be banned from speaking at all much less on important forums like this one.

I agree.

a quote taken out of context. That is such a clever thing to do. You are just like the L.A. Times only fatter and with half the I.Q. points. Whatever high school you are the janitor for is lucky to have you.

This guy is fantastic, we should keep him.

Posted: 1/3/2006 9:48:18 PM EDT

[#17]

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The whole case of rifles had 1985 or 1986 armorer's tags on them as did the whole case before the airman cut it open.

but those USAF folks right?

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Now if Eagle would only buy that California toy company and build ARs with their name on the side too...

shush you troublemaker

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You know better, ain't none of that found in a book, yet.

don't I know it, the research alone is a killer

Posted: 1/3/2006 9:57:48 PM EDT

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but those USAF folks right?

Why yes, they were, and your point is???

Shall we also debate 9mm vs 45, glock vs 1911 and maybe torque vs horsepower while we are at it?

Posted: 1/3/2006 10:48:48 PM EDT

[#19]

force vs energy?

Posted: 1/3/2006 10:59:48 PM EDT

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force vs energy?

Where's Rex when we need him?

Posted: 1/3/2006 11:04:09 PM EDT

[#21]

driven off long ago

Posted: 1/3/2006 11:18:31 PM EDT

[#22]

I just invited him back, but he will probably decline though...

Talk about thread drift by the way.

I just checked my stats.
Woo Hoo, I'm up to 0.35 posts per day.
Just a couple days ago it was only 0.31
I'm going for the big 0.4 by the end of the week!

But alas, I'm going to bed now.

Posted: 1/4/2006 5:02:49 AM EDT

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I met the company president at Camp Perry last summer and we chatted for a while. Does he remember me? Not a chance.

I have talked to some of the ArmaLite people on the phone and via email, they were alsways nice to me.

That would be Col. (retired) Mark Westrom. He is a great guy, a true gentleman, and a straight shooter. My favorite guy in the industry.

Ekie, that is exactly correct. He is a really nice guy and very proud of his company and its products, and I like that. He also did not talk badly about any of the competition and that, I respect.

I am also convinced that nobody at Colt, Bushmaster, RRA and others would badmouth the competition either. There are all classy companies.

(They keep telling me to take my rose-colored glasses off, but I LIKE my rose-colored glasses. Do you have a problem with that?)

Agreed on Mark, rose colored glasses account for the rest.

Posted: 1/17/2006 10:06:05 PM EDT

[#24]

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give the new guyhr

I did, he asked a question, he was answered, he argued with the answer using false information. We tend to step on false info here as soon as possible since it tends to propagate

Mattel anyone?

Okay I'm sick of this. You ARE a horses ass. He did NOT ARGUE and did NOT use FALSE information! You're an idiot who doesn't understand enlish. He said, 1. A Marine armorer who was a close friend of his, said Armalite was making some of the A2's for the Marines. And 2. He said he had never actually seen that, varified it, with his own two eyes. He SAID this!!! Both statements are, as far as we know, TRUE! He never said Armalite made A2's for the military!! But you jumped on his ass like he did! So, seriously go away if you can't grow up! What the hell is wrong with you? F*ck.

Posted: 1/17/2006 10:24:55 PM EDT

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give the new guy a break,

I did, he asked a question, he was answered, he argued with the answer using false information. We tend to step on false info here as soon as possible since it tends to propagate

Mattel anyone?

EDIT

Whoops, foot in mouth.

Posted: 1/18/2006 3:29:04 AM EDT

[#26]

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give the new guy a break,

I did, he asked a question, he was answered, he argued with the answer using false information. We tend to step on false info here as soon as possible since it tends to propagate

Mattel anyone?

Okay I'm sick of this. You ARE a horses ass. He did NOT ARGUE and did NOT use FALSE information! You're an idiot who doesn't understand enlish. He said, 1. A Marine armorer who was a close friend of his, said Armalite was making some of the A2's for the Marines. And 2. He said he had never actually seen that, varified it, with his own two eyes. He SAID this!!! Both statements are, as far as we know, TRUE! He never said Armalite made A2's for the military!! But you jumped on his ass like he did! So, seriously go away if you can't grow up! What the hell is wrong with you? F*ck.

I dont understand Enlish either !?!?

Posted: 1/18/2006 8:15:11 AM EDT

[#27]

how does catching my spelling error make my points any less valid? H

Posted: 1/18/2006 8:34:49 AM EDT

[#28]

Just remember, whenever you hear people talking about what a piece of shit the M-16 is and whenever you hear people talking about how the rifles they used when they were in the servbice were jam-o-matics, they're talking about genuine mil-spec Colts.

Posted: 1/18/2006 8:38:46 AM EDT

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Hi Wil,

Tweak has a lot of experience with the AR platform. Here is his bio:
36 y/o. Currently working as DO of a small NW security firm. Living in NW WA with the GF of 6 years. 1986-1992 in Army Infantry, including time in Panama before, during, and after Operation Just Cause. Attended US Army Sniper School at Ft Benning, GA. Attended Anti Armor Warfare, Military Operations on Urban Terrain, and 5 Corps Sniper Trainup at FT Hood, TX. Attended Combat Lifesaver, Unit Small Arms Repairman, and Infantry Weapons Specialist courses at FT Polk, LA. Unit Marksmanship NCO and Section leader for battalion Expert Infantry Badge small arms testing. Worked 6 years at Olympic Arms, Inc. as an AR and AR barrel assembler. Was OAI's un official liasion to local LE and LE trainers. Colt certified LE armorer for the AR15. Currently an on call advisor at Valkyrie Arms, Ltd. Moderator of the AR-15 Troubleshooting forum at AR15.com and the WA-Shooters group at Yahoo Groups. Long serving member of the AR15-L at Yahoo Groups and the AR15-L at AR15.com before that. Graduate of multiple rifle training courses including those taught by DTI, FAS, WSCJTC, LFI, ASAA, Rahbani Inc, and Delta International. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wa-shooters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AR15-L

I have read a great number of his posts and his depth of knowledge in the platform is far more impressive than even his extensive bio would indicate. It is possible the Marine armorer was referencing a role the original ArmaLite played in the development of the AR series of rifles?

In any event, to your original question. It is difficult to find a hands down favorite with board members. Each member has a vastly different set of experiences with their ARs and has their personal favorites. More often that not, the questions of which is better "A vs. B", just leads to a lot of mud slinging of anecdotal evidence. With that in mind, it is generally thought that if you stick with the ABCR (Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, Rock River) you will do well.
Hope this info helps and Semper Fi!
Paul
BCo.

Ah ha! It's Tweak's fault my Oly couldn't go three rounds without jamming.

Posted: 1/26/2006 8:50:13 PM EDT

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I am amazed that this battle still rages?!?! Thanks to those that actually took the time to read what I wrote. To the others I would say invest your time in something better. And for God’s sake get laid! Why don’t you boys all get together up there in Washington State with Tweak and play deliverance or something. He

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give the new guyhr

I did, he asked a question, he was answered, he argued with the answer using false information. We tend to step on false info here as soon as possible since it tends to propagate

Mattel anyone?

Okay I'm sick of this. You ARE a horses ass. He did NOT ARGUE and did NOT use FALSE information! You're an idiot who doesn't understand enlish. He said, 1. A Marine armorer who was a close friend of his, said Armalite was making some of the A2's for the Marines. And 2. He said he had never actually seen that, varified it, with his own two eyes. He SAID this!!! Both statements are, as far as we know, TRUE! He never said Armalite made A2's for the military!! But you jumped on his ass like he did! So, seriously go away if you can't grow up! What the hell is wrong with you? F*ck.hr

Posted: 1/26/2006 8:58:03 PM EDT

[#31]

By the way I had Holland Gun Works here in Houston build me a Bushmaster AR with a match trigger, Troy rails, and an AimPoint comp M3. Pictures to follow soon.

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