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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/29/2023 1:58:07 PM EDT
Now that OKAY is out of the business, and barring finding some odds and ends at retailers like Botach, what reliable alternative can one turn to in an aluminum magazine?
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Posted: 12/29/2023 2:14:04 PM EDT
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D&H
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Posted: 12/29/2023 2:27:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK: D&H AKA PSA |
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Posted: 12/29/2023 2:58:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK: D&H Never had an issue with D&H mags. |
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Posted: 12/29/2023 3:35:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Plenty of guys selling Okay mags on the secondary market. A few retailers with them as well.
If not Okay, D&H and Brownells are my next choices. Shop the EE here. Edit: https://www.deguns.net/okay-industries-surefeed-556x45mm-nato-magazine-30-rounds-gray And page 1 in the EE has both Surefeeds and D&H. |
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Posted: 12/29/2023 5:09:40 PM EDT
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Rock river arms still had stock of okay 20 and some 30 rd as well. There is another thread in here somewhere about it. Their magazines were made by okay, some with nhmtg markings, which is okay manufacturing as well.
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Posted: 12/29/2023 5:22:46 PM EDT
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2023 12:25:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GreatWaputi]
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The 20 round mags are Okay, the 30 round mags are NHMTG (made by Okay), and the 10 rounders are D&H.
https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1750 |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2023 12:50:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SnowCharger]
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After the 2013 ban scare I bought a bunch of mags; I bought about 10 (or in some case a lot more) of every reputable brand. Thus I have just about every type of AR mag, including the pricy Beretta and FN made mags.
Just picking them up and handling them, Brownells seems to be the closest equivalent to Okay. Brownells feel like thick aluminum like Okay, whereas the D&H (PSA) seem thinner to me. Admittedly the Brownells are in my stash and have never been shot, thus I can only speak to the feel of the mag, but Brownells have a good reputation. I have shot some of the D&H and they have proven reliable. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2023 9:34:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: M4BlackRifle]
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I just measured a number of new and vintage AR mags from my footlocker. The aluminum thicknesses all fall within allowable mill tolerances for sheet stock.
D&H (previously Labelle) 20 & 30 rnd - .040 Brownell's 2012 manufactured 30 rnd - .042 GI Adventureline 20 & 30 rnd - .0415 Colt/Okay/NHMTG 20 & 30 rnd - .0415 Bushmaster & DPMS with black Teflon coating (Labelle) 20 & 30 rnd - .0405 ASC 30 rnd - .0405 Bushmaster 30 round mags used to be made by D&H, but they later changed over to C-Products. If they have cage code 04TQ4 stamped on them, then they are D&H. If they just have a date and no cage code they they are probably C-Products. D&H is the old Labelle company which made USGI mags for the military. My D&H curved 20's do not have a cage code, just a date. I don't think D&H ever made straight 20's.5 |
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Posted: 12/30/2023 1:23:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4BlackRifle: I just measured a number of new and vintage AR mags from my footlocker. The aluminum thicknesses all fall within allowable mill tolerances for sheet stock. D&H (previously Labelle) 20 & 30 rnd - .040 Brownell's 2012 manufactured 30 rnd - .042 GI Adventureline 20 & 30 rnd - .0415 Colt/Okay/NHMTG 20 & 30 rnd - .0415 Bushmaster & DPMS with black Teflon coating (Labelle) 20 & 30 rnd - .0405 ASC 30 rnd - .0405 Bushmaster 30 round mags used to be made by D&H, but they later changed over to C-Products. If they have cage code 04TQ4 stamped on them, then they are D&H. If they just have a date and no cage code they they are probably C-Products. D&H is the old Labelle company which made USGI mags for the military. My D&H curved 20's do not have a cage code, just a date. I don't think D&H ever made straight 20's.5 I am guessing the thickness varies because I thought the D&H seemed thinner myself but few years ago when I measured a few different brand aluminum ones it came out slightly thicker than the others. I was kind of surprised. Differences was so little it may have been the coating thickness causing the different numbers I got. |
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Posted: 12/30/2023 5:11:56 PM EDT
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D&H have been more reliable for me than the Okay Surefeed mags. I would not hesitate to recommend D&H.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2023 5:40:33 PM EDT
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Not that steel cased is much an option nowadays, but I had issues with D&H and steel cased due to sharp feed lips dragging/cutting into the case and failing to chamber correctly.
A quick filing remedies the issue. Just an FYI |
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Posted: 12/30/2023 6:21:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bravo_Six: D&H have been more reliable for me than the Okay Surefeed mags. I would not hesitate to recommend D&H. You have had mag related malfunctions with an Okay Surefeed? |
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Posted: 12/30/2023 6:37:50 PM EDT
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D&H. (aka PSA, BCM, DSG, etc...)
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NH, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2024 9:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bravo_Six: D&H have been more reliable for me than the Okay Surefeed mags. I would not hesitate to recommend D&H. 20s or 30s??? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2024 10:01:27 PM EDT
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I bought a bunch of mags from RRA, but my question is focused not on where to still source OKAYs here and there, but what the reliable alternative is once the sources for OKAYs have all dried up
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OR, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2024 10:05:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XanderZuk: I bought a bunch of mags from RRA, but my question is focused not on where to still source OKAYs here and there, but what the reliable alternative is once the sources for OKAYs have all dried up I'd suggest you buy all you think you'll ever need now while they're available. Doubt you'll ever see them for $14.00 again with free shipping. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 3:25:24 PM EDT
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Only time will tell if there will be an alternative to okay available. Still waiting to see if anyone ramps up with okays equipment and, more importantly, if they do it properly.
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Posted: 1/2/2024 3:31:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tgmr05: Only time will tell if there will be an alternative to okay available. Still waiting to see if anyone ramps up with okays equipment and, more importantly, if they do it properly. Center Industries has all of Okay's wares. I don't have much faith in them personally. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 4:51:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bravo_Six]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK: You have had mag related malfunctions with an Okay Surefeed? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK: Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: D&H have been more reliable for me than the Okay Surefeed mags. I would not hesitate to recommend D&H. You have had mag related malfunctions with an Okay Surefeed? Yes. I've only shot 2 of them, but both gave me problems. Originally Posted By Shagowski: Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: D&H have been more reliable for me than the Okay Surefeed mags. I would not hesitate to recommend D&H. 20s or 30s??? 30s. To be fair, I was using steel case ammo at the time. However, D&H, Magpul, and Lancer all work fine for me with steel case ammo. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 6:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowCharger: After the 2013 ban scare I bought a bunch of mags; I bought about 10 (or in some case a lot more) of every reputable brand. Thus I have just about every type of AR mag, including the pricy Beretta and FN made mags. Just picking them up and handling them, Brownells seems to be the closest equivalent to Okay. Brownells feel like thick aluminum like Okay, whereas the D&H (PSA) seem thinner to me. Admittedly the Brownells are in my stash and have never been shot, thus I can only speak to the feel of the mag, but Brownells have a good reputation. I have shot some of the D&H and they have proven reliable. FWIW... My Beretta Steel AR15 mags don't feed Mk262 77gr ammo worth a hoot. The Mk262 is to long for them ?! .... They are fine with 55gr ball ammo. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 4:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Center Industries has all of Okay's wares. I don't have much faith in them personally. I have avoided buying centers for 15yrs because they can't seem to get their sight impaired employees (or QA) to make mags that consistently drop free or have uniform spot welds. Hopefully they let the Okay name disappear and not sully the market with their mags and a different floor plate. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 7:55:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: That is a crying damn shame. I have avoided buying centers for 15yrs because they can't seem to get their sight impaired employees (or QA) to make mags that consistently drop free or have uniform spot welds. Hopefully they let the Okay name disappear and not sully the market with their mags and a different floor plate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Center Industries has all of Okay's wares. I don't have much faith in them personally. I have avoided buying centers for 15yrs because they can't seem to get their sight impaired employees (or QA) to make mags that consistently drop free or have uniform spot welds. Hopefully they let the Okay name disappear and not sully the market with their mags and a different floor plate. I have ~30 Center mags, no issues thus far, other than the newer EPMs. They definitely are not going to win any beauty contests. I put Magpul Enhanced followers and new springs in mine a handful of years ago so that likely makes a big difference. Either way, I'm fairly certain that if the Surefeeds do come back they'll not be the same. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 11:39:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06: FWIW... My Beretta Steel AR15 mags don't feed Mk262 77gr ammo worth a hoot. The Mk262 is to long for them ?! .... They are fine with 55gr ball ammo. Lancer magazines have issues with M262 as well. |
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Posted: 2/13/2024 10:49:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Center Industries has all of Okay's wares. I don't have much faith in them personally. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By tgmr05: Only time will tell if there will be an alternative to okay available. Still waiting to see if anyone ramps up with okays equipment and, more importantly, if they do it properly. Center Industries has all of Okay's wares. I don't have much faith in them personally. @TGWLDR I'm willing to give Center Industries a try. IIRC, they employ disabled people. Any idea when they will bring mags to the market? Any idea when Brownells is bringing their latest mags to the market. I think they're working with some subcontractor. Maybe its Center Industries. |
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