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Posted: 10/19/2023 5:02:19 AM EDT
 Piston AR-15 vs AK: Which Is Best for Trench Warfare? |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 5:11:53 AM EDT
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D.I.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:26:48 AM EDT
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HK for piston is the only one that holds up, but at the weight penalty, scarcity, and exorbitant cost.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:54:02 AM EDT
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516 has a decent track record.
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Posted: 10/21/2023 5:02:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandblaster: D.I. That. The easiest way to get over the whole “AK’s are invincible” thing is to go be an advisor/trainer to a third world military for awhile. I’ll keep running standard ARs for real world needs. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 5:10:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FightingHellfish]
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If the original AR had been a conventional piston design, and then in 2023, somebody moved the piston to the BCG, everybody would recognize the brilliance and superiority of the Stoner design.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 3:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Actiondiver: HK for piston is the only one that holds up, but at the weight penalty, scarcity, and exorbitant cost. Respectfully disagree. Caracal HK Haenel LMT PWS These are all thoroughly vetted, tested, and durable. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 3:24:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sandblaster: D.I. Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: That. The easiest way to get over the whole "AK's are invincible" thing is to go be an advisor/trainer to a third world military for awhile. I'll keep running standard ARs for real world needs. Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: If the original AR had been a conventional piston design, and then in 2023, somebody moved the piston to the BCG, everybody would recognize the brilliance and superiority of the Stoner design. Bee Eye NGO |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:43:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: That. The easiest way to get over the whole “AK’s are invincible” thing is to go be an advisor/trainer to a third world military for awhile. I’ll keep running standard ARs for real world needs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: That. The easiest way to get over the whole “AK’s are invincible” thing is to go be an advisor/trainer to a third world military for awhile. I’ll keep running standard ARs for real world needs. Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: It’s not an emotional subject for me. 
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Posted: 12/8/2023 10:48:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LowRez: https://media1.tenor.com/m/ht_2QKl2VDcAAAAC/the-big-lebowski-oh-really.gif Deep breaths, my man. It’ll be ok. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2023 12:37:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: If the original AR had been a conventional piston design, and then in 2023, somebody moved the piston to the BCG, everybody would recognize the brilliance and superiority of the Stoner design. Ahh no. |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 10:24:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TresOsos: Ahh no. That’s pretty much exactly what happened when the original AR-10 was introduced. |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 12:12:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sowinskian: 516 has a decent track record. It does, damned things are built like Tonka trucks! |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 12:32:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghostface: It does, damned things are built like Tonka trucks! Ah yes, the "miniature toy truck" of the rifle world. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/17/2023 8:42:51 AM EDT
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So much sand kicking on the DI v P beach.
Both systems work. Is one better? DI has worked for decades within our varied military branches. Most of those branches have been experimenting with piston systems for decades. Now they’re adopting piston designs. Is this the be all answer? No, but it does poke holes in the DI RULZ arguments. My opinion (worth the toilet paper I wiped it on)? I’ve owned and used DI since 1984. Quality built DI is light, reliable and accurate. It’s also dirty. I’ve owned and used Piston ARs since around 2015 (maybe earlier). Quality built P is heavier, reliable (a little more so than DI in some circumstances) and slightly less accurate. It’s clean. Chose your design based upon the attributes you value. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/17/2023 8:51:34 AM EDT
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Oh, and germane to the AR vs AK debate …
I started buying AKs in the 80’s when you could get top quality imports like Valmet, PolyTech, Hungarian FEG, etc without neutered or US parts requirements. I owned tons of them. The best was a Galil 386. The AK has a place based upon its design features. If I lived in arctic conditions I would consider a top of the line AK because being able to manipulate a frozen safety easily would be a major consideration as would being able to avoid a frozen mag release (AR). However, apart from that highly specific requirement set the AR has been proven more accurate, nearly equally mud functional and more easily mission oriented (optics, LAM, etc). |
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Posted: 12/23/2023 7:59:51 AM EDT
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And now he does piston AR vs traditional AR:
 Which AR-15 Is Best Suited for Trench Warfare?? Piston vs DI |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/23/2023 8:36:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Actiondiver: HK for piston is the only one that holds up, but at the weight penalty, scarcity, and exorbitant cost. Why do people just go on the internet and make these absolute statements that are so obviously wrong? |
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Posted: 12/23/2023 11:35:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: And now he does piston AR vs traditional AR:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8muzdGPnsvIAnd he concludes that it's inconclusive... |
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