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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:38:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By UncivilEngineer:
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Originally Posted By UncivilEngineer:
Originally Posted By isullivan:
The advantage of a folding front sight (such as the YHM pictured a few posts back) is the fact that it folds. It's a pretty simple concept IMO, some people don't like the FSB in there sight picture for say a non-magnified optic or even with some lower power optics it can be visible. If it is going to be an irons only rifle then there would be no advantage of a folding barrel mount front sight. Yes, it may not be as strong as a FSB becasue it has more moving parts but it is about what the user wants/needs. I have considered switching out my FSB for a PRI flip-up front sight but that only reason I haven't yet it the fact that is is only available in a set screw and a cross-bolt model. I would much rather have it pinned. i get the purpose of folding sights, i own and use them. however, i don't see why you would go through the trouble of installing a combination gas block/folding front sight, when you won't be using it as a gas block. folding sight gas blocks are great if you are actually using them to hold the gas tube. i don't see what advantage a dissipator with one would have over a recce with rail mounted sights. i really doubt the folding sights on a gas block are more robust than the folding mechanism on rail mounted versions. IMHO the fixed front sight makes a dissy a dissy. Well you arent using a normal FSB as a gas block either, and its just as much work pinning a normal FSB as it would be a folding one...why just because it folds does it make it not a dissy? Its still a barrel mounted sight pinned in the rifle location.  I just have more flexibility with my setup 
Yes, but a fixed FSB is stronger than a folding sight, and is always available for use. More power to you if you go through with it. Seems like a lot of work to get a folding sight that could be easily clamped to a rail
 Stronger is a relative term. Mine will always be available as well, as long as I dont hit it with a sledge hammer.
And ADCO will charge me the same amount to mount a FSB at the rifle position whether its a standard FSB or my KAC folding front sight. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:49:56 PM EDT
[#2]
Originally Posted By smithc6: Originally Posted By UncivilEngineer: Originally Posted By smithc6: Originally Posted By UncivilEngineer: Originally Posted By isullivan: The advantage of a folding front sight (such as the YHM pictured a few posts back) is the fact that it folds. It's a pretty simple concept IMO, some people don't like the FSB in there sight picture for say a non-magnified optic or even with some lower power optics it can be visible. If it is going to be an irons only rifle then there would be no advantage of a folding barrel mount front sight. Yes, it may not be as strong as a FSB becasue it has more moving parts but it is about what the user wants/needs. I have considered switching out my FSB for a PRI flip-up front sight but that only reason I haven't yet it the fact that is is only available in a set screw and a cross-bolt model. I would much rather have it pinned. i get the purpose of folding sights, i own and use them. however, i don't see why you would go through the trouble of installing a combination gas block/folding front sight, when you won't be using it as a gas block. folding sight gas blocks are great if you are actually using them to hold the gas tube. i don't see what advantage a dissipator with one would have over a recce with rail mounted sights. i really doubt the folding sights on a gas block are more robust than the folding mechanism on rail mounted versions. IMHO the fixed front sight makes a dissy a dissy. Well you arent using a normal FSB as a gas block either, and its just as much work pinning a normal FSB as it would be a folding one...why just because it folds does it make it not a dissy? Its still a barrel mounted sight pinned in the rifle location. I just have more flexibility with my setup Yes, but a fixed FSB is stronger than a folding sight, and is always available for use. More power to you if you go through with it. Seems like a lot of work to get a folding sight that could be easily clamped to a rail Stronger is a relative term. Mine will always be available as well, as long as I dont hit it with a sledge hammer. And ADCO will charge me the same amount to mount a FSB at the rifle position whether its a standard FSB or my KAC folding front sight. I have an Eo 557, with BDC for 5.56 and with a fixed FSB the bottom 2 dots are in metal. This is no good so the folding front sight makes backup irons possible. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 5:14:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By UncivilEngineer:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By UncivilEngineer:
It's called a Kino, been around for a while now. Mine uses a .625 low pro and FSB.
Originally Posted By BSWilson:
Originally Posted By isullivan:
Originally Posted By BSWilson:
12.5" Kino Config. 14.5" N4 barrel cut back to 12.5, then turned down to .625 in the front for the FSB. http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q252/mastersqurm/Guns/DSC01640.jpg 
It's the hot shit, lemme tell you. .750 low-pro gas block @ carbine position, .625 flat for FSB @ midlength position. a new breed of dissipator is born http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww337/joshua_aston/DSC_0525.jpg Yup, all the cool kids are running them. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2011 10:35:51 AM EDT
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I never stayed at a Holiday Express, and don't wear striped shirts. But I can call it for what it is.
I'm using midlength, guilty. Front sight, GI, with rifle handguards. Of course, if it doesn't have a issue FSB wherever, it's not really an AR, it's some kind of race/space sporterized competition range gun, not a real combat weapon.
OK, breaks over, back on my head. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 5:31:40 PM EDT
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Question. I have a DPMS Dissipator with the heavy varmint barrel contour under the handgaurds. Doess anyone have any experience with which free float tubes will fit? It has the pinned front sight base w/ a rifle length gas system. I want to free float the barrel w/o having to remove the front sight base. I'll get a pic up when I get my camera back.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 5:45:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Originally Posted By plr1964: Question. I have a DPMS Dissipator with the heavy varmint barrel contour under the handgaurds. Doess anyone have any experience with which free float tubes will fit? It has the pinned front sight base w/ a rifle length gas system. I want to free float the barrel w/o having to remove the front sight base. I'll get a pic up when I get my camera back. What does the barrel measure under the hand guards? What rail are you planning on using? You will need to get a 2-piece system if you don't want to remove the FSB. I have a DD Omega 12.0 but no wear near the same barrel contour. From the DD website: Inside Diameter: 1.08" It may fit because you have a rifle length gas and not GB under the hand guards. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2011 8:09:03 PM EDT
[#7]
I am considering a disapator build using a deltron kit. Since the deltron is built on a rifle length gas system how do they work?
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Posted: 2/1/2011 8:14:47 PM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By jdj1:
I am considering a disapator build using a deltron kit. Since the deltron is built on a rifle length gas system how do they work? Like a standard DI system, but finicky... |
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Posted: 2/4/2011 4:08:50 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2011 11:20:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/5/2011 5:02:29 AM EDT
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Here are some more of those controversial, no FSB, Dissies.
This is my favorite one with a DD14.0 Lite rail. Gives you a lot of real estate on the rail for those party toys! 
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Posted: 2/5/2011 11:02:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperiorBarrels2: Here are some more of those controversial, no FSB, Dissies. http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/VTAC-1.jpg This is my favorite one with a DD14.0 Lite rail. Gives you a lot of real estate on the rail for those party toys! http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/DD14-1.jpg  |
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Posted: 2/5/2011 1:04:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By SuperiorBarrels2:
Here are some more of those controversial, no FSB, Middies.
http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/VTAC-1.jpg This is my favorite one with a DD14.0 Lite rail. Gives you a lot of real estate on the rail for those party toys! http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/DD14-1.jpg Fixed it for ya
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Posted: 2/5/2011 1:21:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Here is a real dissipator
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2011 3:11:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Originally Posted By SuperiorBarrels2:
Here are some more of those controversial, no FSB, Dissies.
http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/VTAC-1.jpg This is my favorite one with a DD14.0 Lite rail. Gives you a lot of real estate on the rail for those party toys! http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/DD14-1.jpg That DD Railed one is right on. A fixed sight placed at the end will give you the desired rifle-length sight radius. Plus, I'd take anything Superior Barrels makes. They're at the top of the class. |
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Posted: 2/5/2011 4:58:21 PM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By BSWilson:
12.5" Kino Config. 14.5" N4 barrel cut back to 12.5, then turned down to .625 in the front for the FSB. http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q252/mastersqurm/Guns/DSC01640.jpg Sweet! |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2011 5:59:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jdj1]
[#17]
Well for my next build a dissipator it will be waiting for the parts to be delivered:
Spike Upper Spike BCG Spike charging handle Magpul Rifle length Moe Handguard Magpul Lower parts Kit from Palmetto state and the rest of the misc. parts from there too. and a Spike Lower. DPMS Dissy barrel |
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Posted: 2/6/2011 12:25:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/6/2011 12:42:32 AM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By Stickman:
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/BCM/Stck_2741-1024-Stick.jpg Whats the size of that FSB? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2011 1:49:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fields_Overseer]
[#20]
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Originally Posted By WorstCaseScenario:
Originally Posted By SuperiorBarrels2:
Here are some more of those controversial, no FSB, Dissies.
http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/VTAC-1.jpg This is my favorite one with a DD14.0 Lite rail. Gives you a lot of real estate on the rail for those party toys! http://www.shop.superiorbarrels.com/images/DD14-1.jpg That DD Railed one is right on. A fixed sight placed at the end will give you the desired rifle-length sight radius. Plus, I'd take anything Superior Barrels makes. They're at the top of the class. so are recces dissipators if there is a buis installed? I assumed dissy meant fixed sight on the barrel. Now im thinking there is overlap... or maybe not. I would not consider those pictured above dissipators, but what do I know 
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Posted: 2/6/2011 1:53:15 AM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By Fields_Overseer: No, they are not dissipators. Dissipators have a front sight mounted on the barrel, whether it be fixed or folding. 16" barrel with a 13.2" or longer rail is closer in definition to a Recce.so are recces dissipators if there is a buis installed? I assumed dissy meant fixed sight on the barrel. Now im thinking there is overlap... or maybe not. I would not consider those pictured above dissipators, but what do I know |
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Posted: 2/6/2011 7:59:39 AM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Originally Posted By Stickman:
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/BCM/Stck_2741-1024-Stick.jpg Whats the size of that FSB? Standard FSB on a government profile barrel. It's a midlength gas system. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2011 8:48:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Phixeon]
[#23]
Where in the merry hells did you get a rifle-length MOE? |
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Posted: 2/6/2011 8:55:20 AM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By Phixeon:
Where in the merry hells did you get a rifle-length MOE? They started shipping a few days ago. I think DSG has them. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2011 8:55:50 AM EDT
[#25]
DSG arms has the Moe Rifle length forearm
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CT, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2011 9:02:04 AM EDT
[#26]
Originally Posted By born2lose76:
Originally Posted By Phixeon:
Where in the merry hells did you get a rifle-length MOE? They started shipping a few days ago. I think DSG has them. FINALLY! Woohoo! |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2011 9:02:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Phixeon]
[#27]
Double tap.
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Posted: 2/6/2011 11:56:55 AM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Originally Posted By Stickman:
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/BCM/Stck_2741-1024-Stick.jpg Whats the size of that FSB? Standard FSB on a government profile barrel. It's a midlength gas system. Sweet thx Lancelot |
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Posted: 2/6/2011 11:59:15 AM EDT
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2011 2:20:39 PM EDT
[#30]
Does this count?
Not exactly a Dissipator(rifle length gas system with enlarged gas port). Late 60's upper and furniture. |
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Posted: 2/7/2011 1:04:36 AM EDT
[#31]
I like this picture
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Posted: 2/7/2011 5:28:36 AM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By Triumph675: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/sleepywerks/P1010586.jpg Does this count? Not exactly a Dissipator(rifle length gas system with enlarged gas port). Late 60's upper and furniture. most deff dissy. the 605's were the first ones |
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Posted: 2/7/2011 10:04:06 PM EDT
[#33]
As requested!
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LA, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2011 10:54:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 86HMMWV]
[#34]
Originally Posted By Triumph675:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/sleepywerks/P1010586.jpg Does this count?
Not exactly a Dissipator(rifle length gas system with enlarged gas port). Late 60's upper and furniture. 605's are the hotness! ETA: Ditch the PMAG, though. 
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USA
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Posted: 2/8/2011 12:35:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BSWilson]
[#35]
Bitchin' Dissy pic from a class this weekend:
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LA, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2011 10:31:22 AM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By BSWilson:
Bitchin' Dissy pic from a class this weekend: http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q252/mastersqurm/Guns/RockinDissy.jpg Is that a midlength? |
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Posted: 2/8/2011 10:34:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BSWilson]
[#37]
Nope, carbine gas, midlength FSB, 12.5" barrel.
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Posted: 2/8/2011 11:05:54 AM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By BSWilson: Nope, carbine gas, midlength FSB, 12.5" barrel. lw kino? |
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USA
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Posted: 2/8/2011 11:17:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BSWilson]
[#39]
Yup, homemade from an N4 barrel.
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Posted: 2/8/2011 3:00:48 PM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By BSWilson: Yup, homemade from an N4 barrel. DAMN COOL! |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2011 6:48:29 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2011 11:15:27 AM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By isullivan:
I like this picture http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5016/5405099705_1778a49a86_b.jpg Hey, isullivan, why did you switch from the Sierra Precision SPR Grip to a MIAD? Is it more comfortable? I'm thinking about getting an SPR grip, or just sticking with the A2, as I've never found the MOE right for me, so I figure the MIAD would be the same. Pic thread: 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2011 1:12:47 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2011 2:39:54 PM EDT
[#44]
^^^^ Nice...
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Posted: 2/9/2011 3:20:35 PM EDT
[#45]
My old one. Miss her at times. Mostly for the simplicity of it. 
My newer rifle. Not sure if it qualifies as a dissy. 16", mid length gas, rifle troy tube. Looks like a dissy at least. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/9/2011 4:10:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By HellioN:
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rifle/dissipator.jpg My old one. Miss her at times. Mostly for the simplicity of it. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rifle/IMAG0016.jpg My newer rifle. Not sure if it qualifies as a dissy. 16", mid length gas, rifle troy tube. Looks like a dissy at least. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile A Dissy has a fixed FSB. |
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Posted: 2/9/2011 5:52:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: isullivan]
[#47]
Originally Posted By osha: Originally Posted By isullivan: I like this picture http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5016/5405099705_1778a49a86_b.jpg Hey, isullivan, why did you switch from the Sierra Precision SPR Grip to a MIAD? Is it more comfortable? I'm thinking about getting an SPR grip, or just sticking with the A2, as I've never found the MOE right for me, so I figure the MIAD would be the same. Pic thread: http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k49/Poopstania/AR15/102_0055.jpg http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k49/Poopstania/AR15/102_0059.jpg http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k49/Poopstania/AR15/102_0057.jpg I bought the MIAD to compare to the SPR grip and I turned out liking it better. I like the storage capability, the interchangeability of the front and rear sections is nice, but I will not be changing them. The SPR grip is comfortable when shooting from the bench/prone but while offhand I dislike the thumb rest and lack of grip. I could have stippled it to get more grip out of it but I really prefer the MIAD for my dissy. Now remember, grips are a thing of personal preference and hand size. The best way to find out if it works for you is to try for yourself. Pic thread edit:  |
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Posted: 2/9/2011 11:44:03 PM EDT
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Bump this thread for next week
Should be joining the Dissipator crowd her next week  Lower just got built so I am just waiting on my upper parts
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Posted: 2/10/2011 12:53:12 AM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By Amped:
Bump this thread for next week
Should be joining the Dissipator crowd her next week Lower just got built so I am just waiting on my upper partsWhat parts are you using? |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 3:20:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Amped]
[#50]
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Originally Posted By Amped:
Bump this thread for next week
Should be joining the Dissipator crowd her next week Lower just got built so I am just waiting on my upper partsWhat parts are you using? Defcon Lower PMA LPK Moe Stock, Grip, Trigger Guard all in FDE A2 upper BCM BCG & MOD 4 CH DPMS Dissipator Barrel Moe Hand Guards in FDE Will be a pretty simple KISS Dissipator
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