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Posted: 11/26/2022 2:01:57 AM EDT
I recently acquired these magazines and realized that they are very early productions PMAGs. From everything that I can find, the Gen1 PMAGs were released commercially in 2007 but I can't find what the first month of production is. Does anyone know? Do these have any significant value?
     
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Posted: 11/26/2022 2:06:08 AM EDT
[#1]
I doubt it.
Black and OD green. If you had orange, blue, etc, then yes. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:34:00 AM EDT
[#2]
Release date of January 11, 2007 is all I know.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 1:25:50 PM EDT
[#3]
I would bet money they crack on the first partially loaded drop.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather: I would bet money they crack on the first partially loaded drop. Test them! I’ll send you a gen2 replacement when it breaks if you want. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 10:52:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather: I would bet money they crack on the first partially loaded drop. All my 07 production Pmags are well used and no cracks |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2022 8:58:34 PM EDT
[#6]
I also have a bunch of gen 1's. Had 2 FDE ones crack down the spline loaded for a while. Magpul replaced.
But the black ones have been trouble free. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:07:53 PM EDT
[#7]
Take the covers off and let's see the backs.
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Posted: 11/30/2022 11:21:31 AM EDT
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I am still using gen 1 plays for training and competition. They get dropped a lot. I have had a total of one mag crack at the spine and that happened during very cold weather. It was an FDE mag, if that matters.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:58:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#9]
I had three out of ten Gen 1’s crack. M2’s were out by then so I sold them all and bought those.
I wouldn’t rely on them myself. M2’s are even starting to break with time but luckily none of mine have yet. I have a shit ton of M3’s and steel mags for the long haul. As strong as they are, time appears to be the PMAG’s biggest enemy. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:36:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By olds442tyguy: I had three out of ten Gen 1’s crack. M2’s were out by then so I sold them all and bought those. I wouldn’t rely on them myself. M2’s are even starting to break with time but luckily none of mine have yet. I have a shit ton of M3’s and steel mags for the long haul. As strong as they are, time appears to be the PMAG’s biggest enemy. Its crazy to me that people only stock Pmags. I'm about 50/50 poly and GI. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 10:23:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AS556: Its crazy to me that people only stock Pmags. I'm about 50/50 poly and GI. All I own is a box of Gen M3 Pmags. If they get banned/whatever, replacements will just have to bought on the black market. I quit wringing my hands worrying about things like that and just live my life however I want. If what I want is illegal, that's the governments problem. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 10:30:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather: snip a roo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather: Originally Posted By AS556: Its crazy to me that people only stock Pmags. I'm about 50/50 poly and GI. snip a roo Its more than likely going to be unobtainium, or extremely high price... during 94-04 AWB used mags were through the roof. Compared to sub $10 NIW at the moment |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 10:45:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Its more than likely going to be unobtainium, or extremely high price... during 94-04 AWB used mags were through the roof. Compared to sub $10 NIW at the moment Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By TheQuadfather: Originally Posted By AS556: Its crazy to me that people only stock Pmags. I'm about 50/50 poly and GI. snip a roo Its more than likely going to be unobtainium, or extremely high price... during 94-04 AWB used mags were through the roof. Compared to sub $10 NIW at the moment I will never again pay +$20/mag for AR mags in my lifetime. I've made sure of that. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 11:11:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: I will never again pay +$20/mag for AR mags in my lifetime. I've made sure of that. Exactly. I'm in the same boat and pretty deep on all types of magazines |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:08:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: I will never again pay +$20/mag for AR mags in my lifetime. I've made sure of that. This is the way. I used to be generous with giving them out, not caring whose mags are who’s after a range trip, but after getting down to 60 or so mags I’ve gone into hoarding mode. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2022 12:01:28 AM EDT
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I know that the original gen 1 had issues with polymer. The had an exchange program for those who got the original gen1s for updated gen1s.
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Posted: 12/7/2022 8:47:42 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: I will never again pay +$20/mag for AR mags in my lifetime. I've made sure of that. Exactamundo! |
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USA
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Posted: 12/16/2022 12:25:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: --bullseye--]
[#18]
I just checked the gen 1 I keep loaded in my safe; it's early '08 production (loaded with '07 headstamp Prvi M193). It's been loaded and sitting for going on 15 years. Not cracked yet.
 I don't even shoot that often but have dented the feed lips on a couple aluminum USGI mags badly enough to retire them. Mags are a wear item/consumable. That being said, haven't had a PMAG or Lancer crack yet. I think I have a Lancer that's been loaded for about 10 years, should check on that too. |
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GBR
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Posted: 1/3/2023 8:24:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By big_johnson_92: I recently acquired these magazines and realized that they are very early productions PMAGs. From everything that I can find, the Gen1 PMAGs were released commercially in 2007 but I can't find what the first month of production is. Does anyone know? Do these have any significant value? https://i.imgur.com/JYa2kXh.jpeg Don’t know the month they came out but I know I bought a bunch and I still use them weekly at the range. Looks like yours are from October 2007. |
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Posted: 1/3/2023 10:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By --bullseye--: I just checked the gen 1 I keep loaded in my safe; it's early '08 production (loaded with '07 headstamp Prvi M193). It's been loaded and sitting for going on 15 years. Not cracked yet. I don't even shoot that often but have dented the feed lips on a couple aluminum USGI mags badly enough to retire them. Mags are a wear item/consumable. That being said, haven't had a PMAG or Lancer crack yet. I think I have a Lancer that's been loaded for about 10 years, should check on that too. Fortunately they hold up better if they’re not used. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:39:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By big_johnson_92: I recently acquired these magazines and realized that they are very early productions PMAGs. From everything that I can find, the Gen1 PMAGs were released commercially in 2007 but I can't find what the first month of production is. Does anyone know? Do these have any significant value? From my collecting of Magpul... 1st month of production was 3/07 - had restricted law enforcement stamping on it 4/07 production changed to the Patent Pending stamping, as seen on those mags. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2023 12:06:29 PM EDT
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Man would I ever love to get my hands on one of these. Odds of finding em in the wild arent good id assume.
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USA
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Posted: 5/16/2023 1:00:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mediumdaddy: Man would I ever love to get my hands on one of these. Odds of finding em in the wild arent good id assume. they pop up from time to time on ee, gunbroker, or shows. do be careful how much you pay realistically they aren't worth that much more. |
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Posted: 5/16/2023 1:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthernSlammed: From my collecting of Magpul... 1st month of production was 3/07 - had restricted law enforcement stamping on it 4/07 production changed to the Patent Pending stamping, as seen on those mags. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthernSlammed: Originally Posted By big_johnson_92: I recently acquired these magazines and realized that they are very early productions PMAGs. From everything that I can find, the Gen1 PMAGs were released commercially in 2007 but I can't find what the first month of production is. Does anyone know? Do these have any significant value? From my collecting of Magpul... 1st month of production was 3/07 - had restricted law enforcement stamping on it 4/07 production changed to the Patent Pending stamping, as seen on those mags. That makes no sense. LE/Gov't only stamping on a new mag produced 3 years after the ban? |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2023 1:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By magwizard: they pop up from time to time on ee, gunbroker, or shows. do be careful how much you pay realistically they aren't worth that much more. Im not willing to pay a ton for one. It would just be for a collection type thing anyway. Just something cool to have I guess. |
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Posted: 5/17/2023 2:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: That makes no sense. LE/Gov't only stamping on a new mag produced 3 years after the ban? As I've understood it, r&d of course occured years prior to 2007. Initial target and contract was Military/LE. Not sure if it was strictly to be that or not. But, it was quickly revised for the commercial market, getting the patent pending stamp. |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 3:14:47 AM EDT
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Your mags are date stamped.
Magpul date stamp: 10/2007 October 2007  |
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Posted: 5/21/2023 3:57:57 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AS556: Its crazy to me that people only stock Pmags. I'm about 50/50 poly and GI. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AS556: Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: I had three out of ten Gen 1’s crack. M2’s were out by then so I sold them all and bought those. I wouldn’t rely on them myself. M2’s are even starting to break with time but luckily none of mine have yet. I have a shit ton of M3’s and steel mags for the long haul. As strong as they are, time appears to be the PMAG’s biggest enemy. Its crazy to me that people only stock Pmags. I'm about 50/50 poly and GI. I hate pmags. They are bulky and hang up. Aluminum is the way. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 8:55:43 AM EDT
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03/07
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Posted: 5/22/2023 9:27:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthernSlammed: 03/07 https://i.imgur.com/fTTTt7Jl.jpeg 04/07 https://i.imgur.com/gVPQ8nHl.jpeg Fascinating. Like they planned production or made prototypes or test mags during the ban, but didn't actually get production rolling until 3 years after the ban ended, and had to change the mold. |
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Posted: 11/5/2023 1:13:19 AM EDT
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2023 2:17:10 PM EDT
[#32]
I don't have anything to add to this except that I bought a used AR a few years back which came with a 2008 dated Gen 1 "olive green" pmag. Pretty cool to have in my opinion, but it works the same as any other magazine and I wouldn't actively seek one out for any kind of collector's value.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2023 3:27:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Just10mm]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthernSlammed: 03/07 https://i.imgur.com/fTTTt7Jl.jpeg 04/07 https://i.imgur.com/gVPQ8nHl.jpeg Very interesting to learn that about Magpul. Thanks for posting. |
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Posted: 11/23/2023 3:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: All my 07 production Pmags are well used and no cracks I'm still using some Gen 1s. So far, so good. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2023 9:21:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: I will never again pay +$20/mag for AR mags in my lifetime. I've made sure of that. Yep. Having lived through the 94 ban and overpaid for mags, I agree. |
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Posted: 11/27/2023 9:49:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Yep. Having lived through the 94 ban and overpaid for mags, I agree. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: I will never again pay +$20/mag for AR mags in my lifetime. I've made sure of that. Yep. Having lived through the 94 ban and overpaid for mags, I agree. Same here. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/29/2023 9:18:20 AM EDT
[#37]
I have one still in use. It is marked 07-07.
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USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 4:39:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GaryT1776]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fuzzy03cls: I also have a bunch of gen 1's. Had 2 FDE ones crack down the spline loaded for a while. Magpul replaced. But the black ones have been trouble free. Lots of reports of the Gen 1 FDE mags cracking. In fact, most of the cracked PMAG reports are non-black. I've read, repeatedly, any "color" besides black is inherently weaker. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 4:41:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GaryT1776]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I had three out of ten Gen 1’s crack. M2’s were out by then so I sold them all and bought those. I wouldn’t rely on them myself. M2’s are even starting to break with time but luckily none of mine have yet. I have a shit ton of M3’s and steel mags for the long haul. As strong as they are, time appears to be the PMAG’s biggest enemy. Time and heat (not excessive ... just a hot car in summer) is the enemy of plastic. Time has zero impact on properly stored aluminum. I've stopped using my aluminum mags for training. Now that OKAY/SureFeed is no more I want to hold those in reserve. I use PMAGs for training because I view them disposable. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 4:43:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GaryT1776]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather: All I own is a box of Gen M3 Pmags. If they get banned/whatever, replacements will just have to bought on the black market. I quit wringing my hands worrying about things like that and just live my life however I want. If what I want is illegal, that's the governments problem. Grab a 100 unit case of $9 D&H aluminum mags while you can. They don't eat anything, take up very little space, and will be worth $30 each when Uncle Joe steals re-election and bans all fun things as a second term tyrant. I remember paying $75-90 for USED Sig Sauer P-series mags in 1994. That's $154-185 in today's fiat-currency inflation. For USED trade-in mags. Now is the time to buy those things that aren't sexy but are necessary. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:38:08 PM EDT
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Unfortunately I dont have a pic handy of mine, but the true early production "pmags" are the USGI 30s they took and cut a window into
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Posted: 1/6/2024 5:41:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Mine from 2007 have been sitting in my car for years with not issues. They are the black ones.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green_Label: Unfortunately I dont have a pic handy of mine, but the true early production "pmags" are the USGI 30s they took and cut a window into 2004 early mag programs:  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:38:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: 2004 early mag programs: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20240106-192804_Samsung_Inter-3084583.JPG I wish I grabbed some of these. I think a buddy of mine even had a factory camo one at one point too. Even has the “L plate” designed by one of our very own, Lumpy196 if I remember right. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:41:58 PM EDT
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Those look Gen 2.
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Posted: 1/9/2024 10:44:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eugene_stoner: I don't have anything to add to this except that I bought a used AR a few years back which came with a 2008 dated Gen 1 "olive green" pmag. Pretty cool to have in my opinion, but it works the same as any other magazine and I wouldn't actively seek one out for any kind of collector's value. I think it’s wild that so much time has passed since they’ve been out. I had a dozen Rev Ms, three of each color in ‘09. They were on the range for about two years and launched around 50K rounds of ammo when one foliage green one started acting up. I’d just gotten a set of Gen M3s before they were officially launched so I gave away the Rev Ms and started in on the M3s. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 8:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: 2004 early mag programs: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20240106-192804_Samsung_Inter-3084583.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By Green_Label: Unfortunately I dont have a pic handy of mine, but the true early production "pmags" are the USGI 30s they took and cut a window into 2004 early mag programs: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20240106-192804_Samsung_Inter-3084583.JPG I've got one of these somewhere, would have to dig around to find it. Also had the first version of the robot stock. Didn't love it and sold it long ago. This is making me nostalgic for the mid 2000s. Good years for me. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 8:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bolt241: Mine from 2007 have been sitting in my car for years with not issues. They are the black ones. I have never seen one of those. Were they ever publicly for sale? https://www.ar15.com/forums/manageReply.html?a=squote&b=3&f=17&t=777266&tl=Early-Production-Gen1-PMAGs&r=8624557&page=1# |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 8:59:26 PM EDT
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I have several from 03/08 and 06/08 that still say Patent Pending.
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Posted: 1/14/2024 9:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: I doubt it. Black and OD green. If you had orange, blue, etc, then yes. Looks like those came a tad later.  Attached File |
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