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Posted: 1/14/2024 7:06:23 PM EDT
Does anyone prefer free float quad rails to MLOK?
Looking into the available options, I'm not seeing many and I'm curious if these are a thing of the past or if anyone is still looking for them. Wolfpack is now on our 5th version (MK5) of our MLOK handguard and we have recently started designing a lightweight free floating quad rail based on the same barrel nut and interlock system as our MK5. I'm really just curious about the market for something like this before pulling the trigger on getting the extrusions made. Thanks for your time. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 7:11:01 PM EDT
[#1]
Quads are my preferred.
Any new quality offering is welcomed. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 7:19:55 PM EDT
[#2]
Most people who choose quad rails are doing so for some reason other than function. You may be able to make an argument over quad rails for a dedicated night vision rig.
It is an indisputable mater of physics that for the same weight a mlok rail can be more rigid and stronger or conversely, you can get the same rigidity and strength for les weight with mlok. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 8:06:14 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ajacobs: Most people who choose quad rails are doing so for some reason other than function. You may be able to make an argument over quad rails for a dedicated night vision rig. That would be me :) I have some builds with quad rails for clone look (MK18, Block 1, Block 2). And they look cool. 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 8:32:18 PM EDT
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I want more options for a hybrid rail with quad all the way around at the muzzle end but MLOK slots at 3-6-9 back to the barrel nut.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 8:33:01 PM EDT
[#5]
There are plenty of people that still prefer them, but id say by a large margin most people go m-lok. Weightwise it just makes more sense. As a manufacturer, it's hard to say if it'd be worth the cost to you, but there will always be people that prefer quad rails and will buy them.
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Posted: 1/14/2024 9:46:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HighpowerRifleBrony]
[#6]
I'm a big fan of the BCM QRF. If the aesthetics don't work with quads, I like the MCMR, but wish it was also in the 12.6"/within rifle gas length.
As long as it's dehorned enough to not need covers, I like the extra texture to grip. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 9:53:47 PM EDT
[#7]
Make a free float quad rail for an AR10 DPMS high pattern and it would sell I’d for sure buy it.
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Posted: 1/14/2024 9:55:04 PM EDT
[#8]
I have more picatinny rails than mlok, when the weather is bad I seem to get more grip on them and prefer how my attachments seem to attach more solid. I’m old too so it’s just more normal for me.
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Posted: 1/14/2024 10:45:13 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: I want more options for a hybrid rail with quad all the way around at the muzzle end but MLOK slots at 3-6-9 back to the barrel nut. Think URX 3.1ish. Or Geissele MK4ish. Both beautiful rails IMO. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:18:25 PM EDT
[#10]
All things equal, quads are going to be stiffer, if you need stiffness. Attaching an aiming device to the rail? Shooting from a bipod? You might want a qual rail. BCM QRF is my choice. Still lightweight, and very rigid.
A well designed mlok rail might be stiff enough depending on your use case. Again I like BCM. I kinda hate mlok and skinny rails in general but I did finally break down and build a rifle with a bcm mcmr 13 rail and I like it. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:18:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nobody69s: ^^This right here. Think URX 3.1ish. Or Geissele MK4ish. Both beautiful rails IMO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nobody69s: Originally Posted By gtsteve03: I want more options for a hybrid rail with quad all the way around at the muzzle end but MLOK slots at 3-6-9 back to the barrel nut. Think URX 3.1ish. Or Geissele MK4ish. Both beautiful rails IMO. Agreed. I have always thought of the 3.1 as a hybrid as well. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:31:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DR2341: All things equal, quads are going to be stiffer, if you need stiffness. Attaching an aiming device to the rail? Shooting from a bipod? You might want a qual rail. BCM QRF is my choice. Still lightweight, and very rigid. A well designed mlok rail might be stiff enough depending on your use case. Again I like BCM. Privates tend to lose M-Lok components, and if you don't like the length of Pic rail you have or where it's located you'll need spares in your tool bag or box and an Allen or Torx wrench. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 12:02:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capt_Destro]
[#13]
I wish Bi-Rails were more common on ARs.
 Attached FileI know there are a few out there for AKs, and the Stribog does it too. Also CNC Warrior for example is Picatinny and M-lok combined.  Attached FileWhats it take to get an AR handguard like that? |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 2:22:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: I want more options for a hybrid rail with quad all the way around at the muzzle end but MLOK slots at 3-6-9 back to the barrel nut. We actually did a short run of these a while back for an LE contract but failed to really market them as an individual product. That is definitely something we could offer as well.  |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 2:38:53 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: I wish Bi-Rails were more common on ARs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333164/DSC09073__12903_jpg-3094994.JPG I know there are a few out there for AKs, and the Stribog does it too. Also CNC Warrior for example is Picatinny and M-lok combined. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333164/29354-2_jpg-3095000.JPG Whats it take to get an AR handguard like that? You might be onto something here. This would be pretty easy to achieve using the same material. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:09:17 PM EDT
[#16]
Much prefer the slick/slim nature of MLOK. Plenty durable and offers modularity and comfort.
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Posted: 1/16/2024 9:50:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeBud]
[#17]
The Geissele Mk4 is it. Perfect combination of both. Mg22, those are some good looking rails.
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Posted: 1/17/2024 12:47:38 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: We actually did a short run of these a while back for an LE contract but failed to really market them as an individual product. That is definitely something we could offer as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/IMG_1127-3095469.jpg I would buy that rail. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2024 2:37:13 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: We actually did a short run of these a while back for an LE contract but failed to really market them as an individual product. That is definitely something we could offer as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/IMG_1127-3095469.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: Originally Posted By gtsteve03: I want more options for a hybrid rail with quad all the way around at the muzzle end but MLOK slots at 3-6-9 back to the barrel nut. We actually did a short run of these a while back for an LE contract but failed to really market them as an individual product. That is definitely something we could offer as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/IMG_1127-3095469.jpg I’ve always liked this style best |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2024 2:12:50 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: I wish Bi-Rails were more common on ARs. I always wonder the same thing. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2024 2:20:55 AM EDT
[#21]
Yes, I hate mlok
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Posted: 1/18/2024 2:43:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SMT85]
[#22]
Personally I like the look of the hybrids that it looks sort of built in to the rail not a chunk of rails at the end of an mlok handguard,
sort of like the geiselle fbi rail or the bootleg pic lok. but done in a way you can keep it round ishh and not a I beam, like the ddm4 III rail but not sharp and feels good like the larue's pic rail just my opinion. I agree with above at keeping it at 12” ish long. Everything I want to mount is typically right by the mid length gas block. Which sucks if you’re using mlok. Keymod hardware you could sort of get lucky depending on the id of the hand guard but not so much with mlok, some pic rail by here would be appreciated tall order i know lol I also dont care for built in qd's but the materials there so i get it. Dont think hand guards that have a chin/neck ( whatever people call them) is very attractive as an attachment or a clean look Most mloks are running around 11-12 ounces with hardware at 12-13.5. If you can keep it making sense just a little heavier than it will be perfect.. even the mk16 rail by the time you add a few pic sections your in ris 2 weight so for the weight excuse it doesn’t make sense. always loved the look of the sure fire m73 pic rail to, this mixed tastefully with mlok would be pretty slick imo But completely 180 I always wanted a Masada/acr style hand guard for the ar15 that I can have a FF top pic rail and an 1 piece polymer mlok style hand guard attachment for the 3 6 9 that would keep the heat at bay. After market would make versions of the attached polymer for it, CF guys, CNC bros for metal... people would stipple it etc. just spit balling. You would just need the “base” barrel nut and top pic rail assembly as the “frame” for the hand guard. Someone will make it |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 12:44:49 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mcgiggles: I would buy that rail. Message me if your interested in one. I only have a few left and were not really offering them for sale anywhere. |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 4:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMT85: Personally I like the look of the hybrids that it looks sort of built in to the rail not a chunk of rails at the end of an mlok handguard, sort of like the geiselle fbi rail or the bootleg pic lok. but done in a way you can keep it round ishh and not a I beam, like the ddm4 III rail but not sharp and feels good like the larue's pic rail just my opinion. I agree with above at keeping it at 12” ish long. Everything I want to mount is typically right by the mid length gas block. Which sucks if you’re using mlok. Keymod hardware you could sort of get lucky depending on the id of the hand guard but not so much with mlok, some pic rail by here would be appreciated tall order i know lol I also dont care for built in qd's but the materials there so i get it. Dont think hand guards that have a chin/neck ( whatever people call them) is very attractive as an attachment or a clean look Most mloks are running around 11-12 ounces with hardware at 12-13.5. If you can keep it making sense just a little heavier than it will be perfect.. even the mk16 rail by the time you add a few pic sections your in ris 2 weight so for the weight excuse it doesn’t make sense. always loved the look of the sure fire m73 pic rail to, this mixed tastefully with mlok would be pretty slick imo But completely 180 I always wanted a Masada/acr style hand guard for the ar15 that I can have a FF top pic rail and an 1 piece polymer mlok style hand guard attachment for the 3 6 9 that would keep the heat at bay. After market would make versions of the attached polymer for it, CF guys, CNC bros for metal... people would stipple it etc. just spit balling. You would just need the “base” barrel nut and top pic rail assembly as the “frame” for the hand guard. Someone will make it Here is the 12" version. I also have versions that are cutout for FSB in mid and carbine.  The design is meant to be lightweight and well vented for a quad. I have designs for 6.9", 9.5", 10.5", 12", and 15" as of right now. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2024 4:52:00 PM EDT
[#25]
I personally love quads. Another option with an FSB cut out would be fantastic. I'd buy one if the price is comparable to similar products
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MT, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2024 5:01:24 PM EDT
[#26]
Just looked over your website for the first time. Impressive looking products at good prices. I'll be following for the quad rails.
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Posted: 1/20/2024 8:10:28 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: Here is the 12" version. I also have versions that are cutout for FSB in mid and carbine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/Screenshot_2024-01-20_153152-3101081.png The design is meant to be lightweight and well vented for a quad. I have designs for 6.9", 9.5", 10.5", 12", and 15" as of right now.  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2024 8:27:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jnat: Agreed. I have always thought of the 3.1 as a hybrid as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jnat: Originally Posted By Nobody69s: Originally Posted By gtsteve03: I want more options for a hybrid rail with quad all the way around at the muzzle end but MLOK slots at 3-6-9 back to the barrel nut. Think URX 3.1ish. Or Geissele MK4ish. Both beautiful rails IMO. Agreed. I have always thought of the 3.1 as a hybrid as well. Yes a 12” rail with the same aesthetic/spirit would definitely be on the purchase list. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 1:46:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capt_Destro]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: Here is the 12" version. I also have versions that are cutout for FSB in mid and carbine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/Screenshot_2024-01-20_153152-3101081.png The design is meant to be lightweight and well vented for a quad. I have designs for 6.9", 9.5", 10.5", 12", and 15" as of right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: Originally Posted By SMT85: Personally I like the look of the hybrids that it looks sort of built in to the rail not a chunk of rails at the end of an mlok handguard, sort of like the geiselle fbi rail or the bootleg pic lok. but done in a way you can keep it round ishh and not a I beam, like the ddm4 III rail but not sharp and feels good like the larue's pic rail just my opinion. I agree with above at keeping it at 12” ish long. Everything I want to mount is typically right by the mid length gas block. Which sucks if you’re using mlok. Keymod hardware you could sort of get lucky depending on the id of the hand guard but not so much with mlok, some pic rail by here would be appreciated tall order i know lol I also dont care for built in qd's but the materials there so i get it. Dont think hand guards that have a chin/neck ( whatever people call them) is very attractive as an attachment or a clean look Most mloks are running around 11-12 ounces with hardware at 12-13.5. If you can keep it making sense just a little heavier than it will be perfect.. even the mk16 rail by the time you add a few pic sections your in ris 2 weight so for the weight excuse it doesn’t make sense. always loved the look of the sure fire m73 pic rail to, this mixed tastefully with mlok would be pretty slick imo But completely 180 I always wanted a Masada/acr style hand guard for the ar15 that I can have a FF top pic rail and an 1 piece polymer mlok style hand guard attachment for the 3 6 9 that would keep the heat at bay. After market would make versions of the attached polymer for it, CF guys, CNC bros for metal... people would stipple it etc. just spit balling. You would just need the “base” barrel nut and top pic rail assembly as the “frame” for the hand guard. Someone will make it Here is the 12" version. I also have versions that are cutout for FSB in mid and carbine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/Screenshot_2024-01-20_153152-3101081.png The design is meant to be lightweight and well vented for a quad. I have designs for 6.9", 9.5", 10.5", 12", and 15" as of right now. Looks great, I know AT3 makes a decent looking quad/free float (kinda crudely uses set screws that lock into the barrel nut channel to prevent slipping). But yours definitely has better aesthetics/looks way more refined and I like the setup you have there for anti slip. I like this design more than Midwest Industries quad. Just curious what the weight is. If I missed it in a post I apologize. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 1:52:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: Here is the 12" version. I also have versions that are cutout for FSB in mid and carbine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/Screenshot_2024-01-20_153152-3101081.png The design is meant to be lightweight and well vented for a quad. I have designs for 6.9", 9.5", 10.5", 12", and 15" as of right now. This with a front sight post cutout AND a wraparound up front past the sight post, a la Block 2 M4s, would be awesome. I realize that would have to be a 2 piece probably, though. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 3:27:52 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: Looks great, I know AT3 makes a decent looking quad/free float (kinda crudely uses set screws that lock into the barrel nut channel to prevent slipping). But yours definitely has better aesthetics/looks way more refined and I like the setup you have there for anti slip. I like this design more than Midwest Industries quad. Just curious what the weight is. If I missed it in a post I apologize. The software is telling me 13.6oz. for the 12" version. I'm sure it will be a little different when we make one but that should give you an idea on weight. |
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Posted: 1/29/2024 1:14:20 PM EDT
[#32]
great looking rail.
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:07:47 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Quads are my preferred. Any new quality offering is welcomed. This. |
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Posted: 3/9/2024 5:53:39 PM EDT
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Just a quick update. Material came in yesterday and I am starting the programming today. Hopefully we will have some prototypes within a week or so.
I have a 15", 12", 10.5", 9.5", and 6.9" planned to make. I'm not really sure what length will be more popular so any input is appreciated. |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 3:56:18 PM EDT
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We were able to get these running. The current lineup includes 15", 12", 10.5", and 6.9"
We will be working over the next few weeks to get everything finalized and added to the website. I will keep you guys posted when we do. Here is an example of the 10.5"  |
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USA
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Posted: 3/19/2024 4:23:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Rail looks awesome!
Punch set has seen better days….. |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 4:26:04 PM EDT
[#37]
That's a nice looking rail.
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Posted: 3/19/2024 5:37:25 PM EDT
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2024 10:46:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxbrotherhood77: Make a free float quad rail for an AR10 DPMS high pattern and it would sell I’d for sure buy it. We never get anything. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2024 11:20:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeper21: Looks good, does it use a steel or aluminum barrel nut? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3529/quads_jpg-3163832.JPG Does it really matter? You could make the barrel nut out of 6AL-4V Grade 5 Titanium, 17-4 PH H900 Stainless, or even something like DP 1000 super alloy (one of the the strongest commercial steels in existence) ... and it wouldn't matter. Because the AR15 receiver it threads into is aluminum anyways (and it's the smaller diameter inner male threads, too). LOL. As long as the barrel nut is 7075-T6 or stronger, it really doesn't matter. In fact, from a galvanic and TCE standpoint, it's probably best if the nut is 7075AL. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2024 2:08:37 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: We were able to get these running. The current lineup includes 15", 12", 10.5", and 6.9" We will be working over the next few weeks to get everything finalized and added to the website. I will keep you guys posted when we do. Here is an example of the 10.5" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/IMG_1255-3163719.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/IMG_1255-3163719.jpg Looks awesome. I'll be picking up at least one. Any idea on pricing? |
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Posted: 3/20/2024 5:24:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Does it really matter? You could make the barrel nut out of 6AL-4V Grade 5 Titanium, 17-4 PH H900 Stainless, or even something like DP 1000 super alloy (one of the the strongest commercial steels in existence) ... and it wouldn't matter. Because the AR15 receiver it threads into is aluminum anyways (and it's the smaller diameter inner male threads, too). LOL. As long as the barrel nut is 7075-T6 or stronger, it really doesn't matter. In fact, from a galvanic and TCE standpoint, it's probably best if the nut is 7075AL. It only matters if you care about thermal dynamics. A steel or titanium nut resists heat (especially Ti) more than aluminum, minimizing thermal expansion of the barrel seat in the receiver. An aluminum nut will expand at the same rate as the receiver when heated. Strength wise either will work fine, I just prefer steel or titanium nuts to minimize variables for precision. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:11:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Machine_gunner22]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeper21: Looks good, does it use a steel or aluminum barrel nut? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3529/quads_jpg-3163832.JPG Steel barrel nut and interlock system. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:13:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CORDrew: Looks awesome. I'll be picking up at least one. Any idea on pricing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CORDrew: Originally Posted By Machine_gunner22: We were able to get these running. The current lineup includes 15", 12", 10.5", and 6.9" We will be working over the next few weeks to get everything finalized and added to the website. I will keep you guys posted when we do. Here is an example of the 10.5" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/IMG_1255-3163719.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576327/IMG_1255-3163719.jpg Looks awesome. I'll be picking up at least one. Any idea on pricing? I'm trying to get them released for under $200 |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 12:58:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: I'm trying to get them released for under $200 Solid. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 1:28:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: I'm trying to get them released for under $200 I'm going to be ordering as soon as they are available. Looks like an awesome rail for a CMP Service Rifle. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 7:32:17 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: I'm trying to get them released for under $200 Mlok guy here but that rail looks great. What colors will you be offering? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:06:07 AM EDT
[#48]
I would also be a fan of a bi rail, and fsp cut outs.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 3:06:22 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: Steel barrel nut and interlock system. Sounds good. How does the interlock system differ from other attachment methods?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:05:36 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWFLdude: Mlok guy here but that rail looks great. What colors will you be offering? We will offer these in black, bronze, OD green, and FDE. We can do custom colors on most of our parts if you are looking for something other than our standard colors. |
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