I’ve got a 13.7 ar that’s my main squeeze and I’d like the option of folding the stock. The gun is tuned just right and has an intermediate/a5 buffer system.

I’m curious if I can still run the same sprinco green/a5 system with the law tactical folder. I believe you simply add the folding mechanism to your existing setup, correct?

Also, are they proven reliable and durable?  This is my hd rifle and my highest end build and it needs to work every single time.

TIA

You're adding weight to the bcg with the receiver extension needed to bridge the gap between the receiver and the buffer.

The standard part weighs 2.2oz or something.

You can buy an alternative part that only weighs 0.43 oz.

https://borebuddy.com/product/law_ulw/

No experience with the lightweight options. But adding 2oz to your recoil system might impact your performance. I'm pretty sure that's like going from carbine buffer to H3.

Durable?  Hell yes, and then some!
Reliable? Yup, once you get it tuned.  KAK also has a lightweight version, that is the one I have.
https://kakindustry.com/lightweight-bolt-carrier-extension

I have two LAW folders, and they are TANKS!
I also have an ARIC, but I don't trust that as much.  Needs more work to get it perfectly tuned.


With that said, they are HEAVY, and they do not charge or fire when folded (well, they will fire once).  Not sure if it is worth it unless you are really hard up for room.

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Have one on my .22LR conversion.  Works fine and I don't need a buffer tube.




Have one on a 7.5" 300blk with an ARIC (does not use standard buffer tube, so it can be charged and fired while folded)





Next up for me is most likely a Sig Rattler LT upper that is naturally bufferless.

The extra weight in the rear helps balance things a tiny bit. No tuning, I just installed it and it shoots just fine.  Very handy in the vehicles.

Another vote for everything said above.
As long as you install correctly and loctite/stake where needed, I have zero qualms about the reliability of mine.  It has never given me one second of trouble and locks up very solid.
There is a spacer between the back of the BCG and the buffer face that adds weight to the total reciprocating mass.  You can offset this by going to a lighter buffer, but chances are you won't be able to get to the exact total buffer weight you are running today, very easily at least.

Downsides:
It adds bulk and weight, and even when folded, the back of the receiver is then very fat.
I'm not sure how they could possibly execute the device any better; it is just adding a function that is non-native to the design and therefore it is just not going to be super "clean" in terms of form factor.

My other dislike is it adds complexity to disassembly, which, especially if you were to be in a hurry for some reason, is not ideal.
Half the time I forget I have to pull the spacer, so I pop the pin, try to open the receivers, and then stare at it like an idiot for a second until I remember.
Obviously that last part is on me, but it is just another contributor to the wonky form factor.

I'm not going to sell mine, but I'm not going to buy any more either.
I have a Spear LT that is so much nicer in terms of the folding functionality, and I would just go that way again if I wanted more folding guns.

All the comments above are very good.

I like mine on one SBR that is intended to fit in a back pack.  

Quality is very good, and very solid.   It does add weight and for the purpose, I'm cool with that.

The extra effective buffer weight is pretty easy to compensate for.

Its expensive, its heavy, and it complicates break down.  All fair points.

So, if these are acceptable compromises for your particular firearm, jump in.

It's a good piece of kit, well made and well thought out.  Does it belong on your firearm?  I cannot say.

I use mine on a rifle with a RRA Entry stock, and it gets me (my) perfect length of pull in a tight hold.

I have one on my .308.  It works fine, but there should be a better detent to hold it in the folded position.

Does anyone make a lighter extension that works with the Gen4 Sylvan folding adapter?

I had three of them and they were all very durable. Never needed to change a thing to get them to run. But I sold them all and am just sticking with the Dead Foot Arms folder on my one SBR.

This right here … I have one on my 300blk build and it is solid and just works as advertised.  I eventually want to get a 2nd one because I like the extra length it gives and want to put it in my 16” end of the world rifle.  That also would give me one pistols and one for rifles.

If LAW didn't have SOTAR pushing their product they probably go out of business. Even Brownell's cant give those folders away now at deep discounted prices. People have gotten wise and figured it out.

By the time you buy the Law and the ARIC bolt carrier and a gun, even a cheap Anderson or PSA your now in MCX Virtus territory which is a much more better folding rifle option.

I'll add that even ignoring price, the whole point of the law folder is to allow the gun to fold with a standard buffer tube and bcg.

If I'm going to run some specialized bcg that removes the need for a buffer tube, then i want to install a pic rail rear adapter and run a smaller, lighter stock that folds tighter and doesn't flop open.

My folders don't flop around.  Remember, there is a hinge tension screw you can adjust.
https://www.arfoldingstock.com/img/GEN3-M_Instructions.pdf

With that said, the LAW + ARIC is not worth it over a weapon designed to be bufferless IMO.  It is neat, but overpriced.

When you use the ARIC, the you remove the buffer and spring, so that saves weight.   I can add a pic rail adapter like what is shown below (I have one that I was going to add to my .22), but I have not bothered:


Neither my .22 with a LAW, nor my 300blk with a LAW and an ARIC have buffers/springs in the buffer tubes.  

I still want a SIG Rattler LT whenever Illinois allows us to have fun stuff again.  I'd rather have that than a LAW + ARIC.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I'll have to test it out to see if a pic rail adapter will fit with the ARIC.  It will fit with the .22, with the LAW or not.  

I'd be interested to see what you find. It looks to me like the aric is designed to use the space the law folder provide and it therefore wouldn't work with the kns or other pic adapter.

Which would mean you have to use the aric + law as a system.

Which, again, I wouldn't find interesting.

If you want something that can fire while folded, I would look at the Dead Foot Arms folder kit. I have 2 of them and they have been 100% reliable.

I took a quick look (without having to remove the buffertubes).  I would say "it depends". On the item I could quickly find (below), it would probably "not" fit, but it would be really close.   I looked online at some other parts, and the threads of some adapters were not as deep, so I would say some parts could work with an ARIC.  The pic rail adapter in question probably would not work if it was meant to go over a bit of the retainer pin.

But yeah, the LAW+ARIC is not worth $650 IMO.  It would be wiser to invest that additional money into something else that was designed to fold.  

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Yeah, this.

The LAW folder has one singular use.  Folding the gun to get it more compact for storage/transport while still being ready for (almost) immediate employment.  

The ARIC system is expensive and from everything I’ve seen, finicky and unreliable, which isn’t totally shocking since it’s a total redesign of the operating system that’s constrained by keeping the same overall AR15 architecture.  It also shrinks the operating envelope of the gun considerably (which is also not shocking), as evidenced by the need for suppressed vs unsuppressed part #s.

If you want to be able to fire while folded, go buy a system that is designed from the ground up to do that.  You should be able to do that for similar(ish) money as the LAW/ARIC.

I’ve got a Rattler and I’m building another 300BLK gun with a LAW (sans ARIC).  Both guns have similar, but still different envisioned roles.  Figure out what yours needs are and go from there.

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Found some photos on another website of someone else dealing with an ARIC.






They did get a pic adapter to fit, but had too many issues with the ARIC.


I know for sure mine won't cycle subs (I don't have a can).  It will eject a spent case, but won't pick-up the next round.   It will cycle cheap wolf steel 300blk and lock-back on empty, but I've only tried a few rounds and not a full mag.

I had one. As other's have said it's a tank. But I ultimately sold mine because it was too heavy/bulky for what I needed it for. It also doesn't play nice with a UTM bolt (if that's your thing). I'd rather have something that was designed to have a folding stock on it than try to retrofit something that wasn't. For specific use cases I think it's a great option.

Definitely for transport purposes.

Details please.

Thanks for all the feedback. And nice guns!