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Originally Posted By Phiers: Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phiers: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Nothing about that is remotely close to a Mk12. Would serve better in a recce/spr thread. Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Please do. Never seen an issued Mk12 without a KAC FF RAS or PRI tube (or URX 4 for that one oddball). And you removing the OPS brake and collar push it even further away from clone. This isn't an "inspired" thread. |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Harris bipod A2 stock Leupold mk4 Centurion barrel Larue mount Nothing close to a mk12. Got it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phiers: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Nothing about that is remotely close to a Mk12. Would serve better in a recce/spr thread. Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Harris bipod A2 stock Leupold mk4 Centurion barrel Larue mount Nothing close to a mk12. Got it. Except he's actually right. Read page 1. |
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Except he's actually right. Read page 1. View Quote Oh I've read it. I never claimed it was an exact clone. It has slightly different rail, but argueably better. Different suppressor (dt is more accurate) and a modernized mk4 optic. Everything else is clone spec according to page 1. But you're right, nothing remotely resembles a mk12 Yall are wild. And elitist |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: Oh I've read it. I never claimed it was an exact clone. It has slightly different rail, but argueably better. Different suppressor (dt is more accurate) and a modernized mk4 optic. Everything else is clone spec according to page 1. But you're right, nothing remotely resembles a mk12 Yall are wild. And elitist View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phiers: Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Except he's actually right. Read page 1. Oh I've read it. I never claimed it was an exact clone. It has slightly different rail, but argueably better. Different suppressor (dt is more accurate) and a modernized mk4 optic. Everything else is clone spec according to page 1. But you're right, nothing remotely resembles a mk12 Yall are wild. And elitist By this metric, nearly any AR could be deemed a "Mk12" according to you. What makes a Mk12 a Mk12 (visually) is the distinctive rail/handguard, and the OPS INC/AE setup. It ain't being elitist, it's about setting a standard and being held to it. |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Harris bipod A2 stock Leupold mk4 Centurion barrel Larue mount Nothing close to a mk12. Got it. View Quote This is a clone thread. Not a 1/3 of the way there thread. Almost everyone here has a 80-98% clone. |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: By this metric, nearly any AR could be deemed a "Mk12" according to you. What makes a Mk12 a Mk12 (visually) is the distinctive rail/handguard, and the OPS INC/AE setup. It ain't being elitist, it's about setting a standard and being held to it. View Quote I'm not arguing with this. But to say "nothing even remotely resembles a mk12" is laughable to me. Especially after only only a few changes can generally be pointed out. I never asked anyone to accept it as a mk12 clone. Anyways. This was fun. |
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Originally Posted By Yumago: This is a clone thread. Not a 1/3 of the way there thread. Almost everyone here has a 80-98% clone. View Quote I'd argue that mine is at least 80%, but your numbers are subjective. You're preaching about keeping a standard, then admitting that many of these rifles here are 80% clones. So who decides what's "cloney" enough to be a clone? Who is the mk12 lord? You're own standards are subjective and don't make sense. Imagine saying "this isn't an inspiration thread" then admitting that many of these are 80% clones. Thats literally exactly what happened. Oh mk12 lords |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: I'd argue that mine is at least 80%, but your numbers are subjective. You're preaching about keeping a standard, then admitting that many of these rifles here are 80% clones. So who decides what's "cloney" enough to be a clone? Who is the mk12 lord? You're own standards are subjective and don't make sense. Imagine saying "this isn't an inspiration thread" then admitting that many of these are 80% clones. Thats literally exactly what happened. Oh mk12 lords View Quote Most people will have different scopes, or OCM5, maybe a different grip, maybe even a A2 lower instead of an A1.Plus few if anyone here has have a FA lower. You're missing the two biggest parts of the mk12 clone. The AEM5 and KAC rail. Not to mention the small/medium stuff. |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Harris bipod A2 stock Leupold mk4 Centurion barrel Larue mount Nothing close to a mk12. Got it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phiers: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Nothing about that is remotely close to a Mk12. Would serve better in a recce/spr thread. Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Harris bipod A2 stock Leupold mk4 Centurion barrel Larue mount Nothing close to a mk12. Got it. It’s not Originally Posted By Phiers: I'd argue that mine is at least 80%, but your numbers are subjective. You're preaching about keeping a standard, then admitting that many of these rifles here are 80% clones. So who decides what's "cloney" enough to be a clone? Who is the mk12 lord? You're own standards are subjective and don't make sense. Imagine saying "this isn't an inspiration thread" then admitting that many of these are 80% clones. Thats literally exactly what happened. Oh mk12 lords If you are going by part count you are ~10% there if you are going by $ value you are ~2% there. Nothing about that is subjective. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: It’s not If you are going by part count you are ~10% there if you are going by $ value you are ~2% there. Nothing about that is subjective. View Quote 10%? There's 3 parts I changed. And they are comparable parts. 2%? This build is 4700$ not including the fp laser. Nearly 5k is 2%? Tell me what mk12 build is 230k$ "Nothing about that is subjective" The most you guys talk, the less credibility you have. This is getting comical |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: 10%? There's 3 parts I changed. And they are comparable parts. 2%? This build is 4700$ not including the fp laser. Nearly 5k is 2%? Tell me what mk12 build is 230k$ "Nothing about that is subjective" The most you guys talk, the less credibility you have. This is getting comical View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phiers: Originally Posted By Mblades: It’s not If you are going by part count you are ~10% there if you are going by $ value you are ~2% there. Nothing about that is subjective. 10%? There's 3 parts I changed. And they are comparable parts. 2%? This build is 4700$ not including the fp laser. Nearly 5k is 2%? Tell me what mk12 build is 230k$ "Nothing about that is subjective" The most you guys talk, the less credibility you have. This is getting comical Three parts you changed? You didn’t even get three parts right. The only parts you got right are a $50 stock and $100 bipod. Even the gas buster has the wrong latch. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Three parts you changed? You didn’t even get three parts right. The only parts you got right are a $50 stock and $100 bipod. Even the gas buster has the wrong latch. View Quote No. Its not the wrong latch. It's literally the clone correct pri ch. I get it. Yall are trolling. I guess I should stop the feeding Attached File |
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Some works in progress, just want them to look like the originals. I suppose, I'm of the mindset that has to appear like the genuine article.
But to each there own, but I've seen quite a few rifles that people call mk12's and there is little to nothing mk12 about them, at least get the handguard and barrel right. But number one, scope is the wrong generation, and barrel ain't a Noveske. Number 2, at least it a small font of the type actually used on the Mod 1, a ways to go but. Number 3, well a few little things to get there, Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By tamboi: Some works in progress, just want them to look like the originals. I suppose, I'm of the mindset that has to appear like the genuine article. But to each there own, but I've seen quite a few rifles that people call mk12's and there is little to nothing mk12 about them, at least get the handguard and barrel right. But number one, scope is the wrong generation, and barrel ain't a Noveske. Number 2, at least it a small font of the type actually used on the Mod 1, a ways to go but. Number 3, well a few little things to get there, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28561/Screenshot_20240508_232658_Gallery_jpg-3209373.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28561/Screenshot_20240508_232639_Gallery_jpg-3209374.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28561/Screenshot_20240508_232510_Gallery_jpg-3209375.JPG View Quote Those are nice mk12 clones. |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Harris bipod A2 stock Leupold mk4 Centurion barrel Larue mount Nothing close to a mk12. Got it. View Quote I’ll never forget how I was treated when I posted my Marty Daniel MK12 in here. |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: No. Its not the wrong latch. It's literally the clone correct pri ch. I get it. Yall are trolling. I guess I should stop the feeding https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/554974/1000006224_jpg-3209364.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phiers: Originally Posted By Mblades: Three parts you changed? You didn’t even get three parts right. The only parts you got right are a $50 stock and $100 bipod. Even the gas buster has the wrong latch. No. Its not the wrong latch. It's literally the clone correct pri ch. I get it. Yall are trolling. I guess I should stop the feeding https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/554974/1000006224_jpg-3209364.JPG Strange, It sure looks like the “Combat Latch” in this picture. |
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Originally Posted By Subpar: I’ll never forget how I was treated when I posted my Marty Daniel MK12 in here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Subpar: Originally Posted By Phiers: Copy. Ill tell Mr LeClair that his mk12 complete uppers are not actually mk 12 uppers because you said so Harris bipod A2 stock Leupold mk4 Centurion barrel Larue mount Nothing close to a mk12. Got it. I’ll never forget how I was treated when I posted my Marty Daniel MK12 in here. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Strange, It sure looks like the “Combat Latch” in this picture. https://i.imgur.com/pGZADIY.jpg View Quote yeah i noticed that too. Honestly thats super weird. I dont own a combat latch. I dont know why it looks like that. Might be weird lighting. Honestly not sure. |
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Originally Posted By Svensson: Let's get this thread back on track. Just picked this late Mod 1 manual. A bit different than the repro 2005 version I have. https://i.imgur.com/kv1PQuWh.jpg View Quote Looks good |
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Originally Posted By BlueDevilBrew: Make clone threads great again https://i.postimg.cc/bwyBj0wz/DSC-9789-1-3.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: No. Its not the wrong latch. It's literally the clone correct pri ch. I get it. Yall are trolling. I guess I should stop the feeding https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/554974/1000006224_jpg-3209364.JPG View Quote It's not trolling, this is a MK12 thread. See the parts list on page 1, it is very specific. Your rifle is nice, but it doesn't belong in this thread just because it shares a few parts on the build list. |
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Originally Posted By BlueDevilBrew: Make clone threads great again https://i.postimg.cc/bwyBj0wz/DSC-9789-1-3.jpg View Quote Amen! |
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Originally Posted By Engineer5: Amen! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/PXL_20220723_181420556-2600308.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/FDNY_9112-1086766.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/FDNY_911-1086767.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Engineer5: Originally Posted By BlueDevilBrew: Make clone threads great again https://i.postimg.cc/bwyBj0wz/DSC-9789-1-3.jpg Amen! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/PXL_20220723_181420556-2600308.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/FDNY_9112-1086766.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/FDNY_911-1086767.jpg |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: trolls everywhere. avatar fits View Quote Phiers, You came into this thread with pics of your version of a Mk12 Mod1 rifle. You speificly said "What do yall think? What am I missing?" Very knowledgeable Mk12 folks chimed in to answer your question. I even responded with the bigger parts on that list. The parts that were pointed out to you are the hallmark parts of what makes a Mk12 Mod1 rifle. Without those parts it's just an AR or SPR and that's just fine. You have a really nice setup. Centurion is certainly good stuff. Instead of saying something like "hey that's cool, thanks for the feedback. I'd like to pick up a KAC rail some day" or "Understood but I'm just going to enjoy it like it is" you got all upset with good people here in the MK12 thread. No one here is trying to bust your balls. You asked a question and it was answered but you don't like the answers. You're upset that WTFShane asked about your CH. You can even admit that in one pic it shows a different latch than the other pic. That's why I had it in my response. No big deal but you're automaticlly on the defensive calling people trolls. People are always asking for pics or clarification on parts that get posted in this thread. Not because of spite but because of what could be a learning oppurtunity for all of us. Rare and different parts show up unexpectedly, often unknowingly by the person posting. Relax, stick around and enjoy the thread. There are a lot of good people here. People that are more than willing to help. I've been here since the original Mk12 thread and I'm still learning about the platform. Take care. |
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Originally Posted By tamboi: Some works in progress, just want them to look like the originals. I suppose, I'm of the mindset that has to appear like the genuine article. But to each there own, but I've seen quite a few rifles that people call mk12's and there is little to nothing mk12 about them, at least get the handguard and barrel right. But number one, scope is the wrong generation, and barrel ain't a Noveske. Number 2, at least it a small font of the type actually used on the Mod 1, a ways to go but. Number 3, well a few little things to get there, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28561/Screenshot_20240508_232658_Gallery_jpg-3209373.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28561/Screenshot_20240508_232639_Gallery_jpg-3209374.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28561/Screenshot_20240508_232510_Gallery_jpg-3209375.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Engineer5: Phiers, You came into this thread with pics of your version of a Mk12 Mod1 rifle. You speificly said "What do yall think? What am I missing?" Very knowledgeable Mk12 folks chimed in to answer your question. I even responded with the bigger parts on that list. The parts that were pointed out to you are the hallmark parts of what makes a Mk12 Mod1 rifle. Without those parts it's just an AR or SPR and that's just fine. You have a really nice setup. Centurion is certainly good stuff. Instead of saying something like "hey that's cool, thanks for the feedback. I'd like to pick up a KAC rail some day" or "Understood but I'm just going to enjoy it like it is" you got all upset with good people here in the MK12 thread. No one here is trying to bust your balls. You asked a question and it was answered but you don't like the answers. You're upset that WTFShane asked about your CH. You can even admit that in one pic it shows a different latch than the other pic. That's why I had it in my response. No big deal but you're automaticlly on the defensive calling people trolls. People are always asking for pics or clarification on parts that get posted in this thread. Not because of spite but because of what could be a learning oppurtunity for all of us. Rare and different parts show up unexpectedly, often unknowingly by the person posting. Relax, stick around and enjoy the thread. There are a lot of good people here. People that are more than willing to help. I've been here since the original Mk12 thread and I'm still learning about the platform. Take care. View Quote Fair enough. Thanks for the response. I dont own a combat latch. If you really want a new picture of the latch, I have that one plus like 3 or 4 other pri latches in other builds also. Either way. I dont plan on changing this build anymore, but I am working on a grendel build in ar15 that will have a pri gen 3 handguard on a swan rail, but it'll have a 3-18 optic so not really mk12 worthy imo. Anyways, sorry for the heat. Thanks for the feedback |
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Originally Posted By Engineer5: Amen! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/PXL_20220723_181420556-2600308.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/FDNY_9112-1086766.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/FDNY_911-1086767.jpg View Quote Were the raw carbon fiber hand guards issued? |
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: Were the raw carbon fiber hand guards issued? View Quote Not that I'm aware of. I always figured I would paint it but it's kinda cool like it is and you don't see many other than the repops that PRI currently sells. I think I've only seen one or two of the raw early ones ever posted on the forms. |
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Originally Posted By Engineer5: Not that I'm aware of. I always figured I would paint it but it's kinda cool like it is and you don't see many other than the repops that PRI currently sells. I think I've only seen one or two of the raw early ones ever posted on the forms. View Quote They do have a certain appeal. I like their uniqueness. I’ve only ever seen them on prototypes. One in particular that always caught my eye was the 6.8 spc mk12 prototype. It had a gen III rail with no vent holes in the raw carbon fiber. Cool stuff. |
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: They do have a certain appeal. I like their uniqueness. I’ve only ever seen them on prototypes. One in particular that always caught my eye was the 6.8 spc mk12 prototype. It had a gen III rail with no vent holes in the raw carbon fiber. Cool stuff. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cebiNg: Originally Posted By Engineer5: Not that I'm aware of. I always figured I would paint it but it's kinda cool like it is and you don't see many other than the repops that PRI currently sells. I think I've only seen one or two of the raw early ones ever posted on the forms. They do have a certain appeal. I like their uniqueness. I’ve only ever seen them on prototypes. One in particular that always caught my eye was the 6.8 spc mk12 prototype. It had a gen III rail with no vent holes in the raw carbon fiber. Cool stuff. Any pics or info on the 6.8SPC Mk 12? I’ve kicked around the idea of doing a 6.5G Mod 1 with my recently acquired KAC rail, but the Mod 0 PRI toob does it for me more. |
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Originally Posted By BlueDevilBrew: Don't think so, but black would get you close to the same look Anyone seen more pics of a Mod H with the Magpul PRS? Only other photo I've seen is with the ATACR 1-8. https://i.postimg.cc/fy6Vgt1m/o7s2jb-1.webp View Quote PRS light on an 18 inch mod H |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Any pics or info on the 6.8SPC Mk 12? I’ve kicked around the idea of doing a 6.5G Mod 1 with my recently acquired KAC rail, but the Mod 0 PRI toob does it for me more. View Quote And I'm kicking around the idea of doing one in a 22ARC so I can continue using the AEM5. |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Any pics or info on the 6.8SPC Mk 12? I’ve kicked around the idea of doing a 6.5G Mod 1 with my recently acquired KAC rail, but the Mod 0 PRI toob does it for me more. View Quote Check here and scroll down to about post #45: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/6-8-spc-Development-w-5th-SFG-and-USSOCOM-MK12-Variant-/118-785214/ More info can be found in Chris Bartacci's book, America's Rifle about the 6.8 spc program and platforms for testing. There also were MK12 Recce variants with the ARMS #58 rail and PRI Gen 3 Intermediate rail both having the PRI folding front sight. I agree, the Mod0 has a certain appeal and always draws my eye the most. |
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Regarding the Leupold MK4 3-9x36 TS30, what were the specs on it regarding the reticle, turrets and illumination? My searches have come up nill.
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: Regarding the Leupold MK4 3-9x36 TS30, what were the specs on it regarding the reticle, turrets and illumination? My searches have come up nill. View Quote Are you asking about the TS30 or TS30A2? The TS30 was a 2.5-8 with M2 turrets (I believe M2 anyway), with the big blocky square turret housing. And later the TS30A2 which originally was 3-9 M3 turrets but later changed to 2.5-8 with M2. Given the model and magnification you named I wasn’t sure which you’re actually referring to. |
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Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Are you asking about the TS30 or TS30A2? The TS30 was a 2.5-8 with M2 turrets (I believe M2 anyway), with the big blocky square turret housing. And later the TS30A2 which originally was 3-9 M3 turrets but later changed to 2.5-8 with M2. Given the model and magnification you named I wasn’t sure which you’re actually referring to. View Quote Thanks for the info. Specifically the 3-9. Were these illuminated? |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: I know she's not a perfect clone. Wasn't meant to be. But she's pretty close. Centurion c4 quad rail Centurion ss barrel Centurion upper reviever The new leupold mk4hd 2.5-10https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/554974/1000006222_jpg-3209127.JPG What do yall think? What am I missing?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/554974/1000006223_jpg-3209128.JPG View Quote LMFAO where the fack is @RTUTAH when u need him? Dude..... It's not about being rich or poor, it's not about anything but making it like they had it. Some things u can get away with....but when ur calling people trolls who are trying to HELP YOU. These are my friends and customers who painstakingly want a tribute rifle and love the little details of these unique rifles. You sound like a lil gen Z crybaby. You prolly also camber your wheels on your car. Read the room, sit down, and read PAGE ONE. -black and fde is all the forends we have seen. It's weird that some are black but I guess they were rushing em out the door and just used that they had? -magpul ones are around, check insta sof pages for random mod H drops. They STILL have some, wild! |
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