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Posted: 12/7/2023 2:20:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankW134: I misread bigbores post, I need the octagonal nut, not the barrel nut. My bad. I do have a dozen barrel nuts, but only 1 is steel. I have none of the locking/retaining collars. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:17:04 AM EDT
[#2]
Hate to do this outside of the EE, but does anyone happen to have a DD rail for these things that they'd be willing to let go of? Wouldn't have to have the octagonal style nut, but would definitely take it with one. This is the last piece of the puzzle for me. Currently have a LaRue Quadrail, but it's just not the same.
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Posted: 12/22/2023 2:58:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JTM20]
[#3]
Finally managed to get the correct collar for my DD rail. Thanks to everyone that’s helped so far. CLE is spinning me up the barrel, and I still need to track down an A.R.M.S. #32 bipod mount.
 Instead of an ACOG, I’m leaning towards using the optic from this in the wild picture, i think it’s a Nikon P-Tactical scope. 
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Posted: 12/22/2023 4:41:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTM20: Finally managed to get the correct collar for my DD rail. Thanks to everyone that's helped so far. CLE is spinning me up the barrel, and I still need to track down an A.R.M.S. #32 bipod mount. https://i.imgur.com/2EkFAMjl.jpg Instead of an ACOG, I'm leaning towards using the optic from this in the wild picture, i think it's a Nikon P-Tactical scope. https://i.imgur.com/SLk2xExl.jpg |
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Posted: 12/22/2023 5:29:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JTM20]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Turrets look like SWFA or Leupold. Is the parallax adjusted on the objective bell or is that just wear? Looks like the parallax is adjustable on the objective bell. I dont know the source of the image, but that would help IDing the scope. It might be a Tasco Super Sniper. Wilson Combat did make a version of the scope mount with 30mm rings, but i cant seem to find one. https://maxicon.com/guns/optics/one_piece/ar15_onepiece_mounts.htm |
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Posted: 1/1/2024 5:45:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sinister]
[#6]
Don't know if this has been posted. so here it is:
 Douglas Barrels For those who were asking (finally found it): from the USAMU Custom Shop, for the Army M16A4 and M4 Carbine SDM-R barrels -- flutes were cut using a "Hertel" brand 3/16 x 3/16 ball nose carbide end mill running .0093" deep. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 5:14:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FrankW134]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sinister: Don't know if this has been posted. so here it is:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrNakx3lStYFor those who were asking (finally found it): from the USAMU Custom Shop, for the Army M16A4 and M4 Carbine SDM-R barrels -- flutes were cut using a "Hertel" brand 3/16 x 3/16 ball nose carbide end mill running .0093" deep. Thanks for the video. I'm finally getting some keyholing with m193 in my gun, 1-2 rounds per mag. Didnt see any issues with hornady frontier 75gr. Gonna clean out the copper and see if it fixes the issue, otherwise I'm looking for a new barrel. I'm currently around 15k on this gun. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 8:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankW134: Thanks for the video. I'm finally getting some keyholing with m193 in my gun, 1-2 rounds per mag. Didnt see any issues with hornady frontier 75gr. Gonna clean out the copper and see if it fixes the issue, otherwise I'm looking for a new barrel. I'm currently around 15k on this gun. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 9:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sinister: Don't know if this has been posted. so here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrNakx3lStYFor those who were asking (finally found it): from the USAMU Custom Shop, for the Army M16A4 and M4 Carbine SDM-R barrels -- flutes were cut using a "Hertel" brand 3/16 x 3/16 ball nose carbide end mill running .0093" deep. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 11:42:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Saying it's time for a new barrel is an understatement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Originally Posted By FrankW134: Thanks for the video. I'm finally getting some keyholing with m193 in my gun, 1-2 rounds per mag. Didnt see any issues with hornady frontier 75gr. Gonna clean out the copper and see if it fixes the issue, otherwise I'm looking for a new barrel. I'm currently around 15k on this gun. Superior barrels was good to me, too bad they aren't around anymore. |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 6:46:00 PM EDT
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Now that CLE is closing, what's a good place to get a krieger turned?
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Posted: 1/5/2024 7:14:51 PM EDT
[#12]
John Holliger or John Scandale are two of many.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 5:49:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: borderpatrol]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArpaioFan: Now that CLE is closing, what's a good place to get a krieger turned? White Oak Armament occasionally has them in stock, along with Bartlein, Broughton and Shilen. If you already own the Krieger blank, I don't know if they would machine it, I don't know why not. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2024 3:43:36 PM EDT
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With CLE closing their doors to the public and WOA saying they don't do gas block pinning, who would you guys recommend to pin a KAC FSGB? ADCO?
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Posted: 1/8/2024 6:26:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WTFShane]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By siles76: With CLE closing their doors to the public and WOA saying they don't do gas block pinning, who would you guys recommend to pin a KAC FSGB? ADCO? d.wilsonmfg? I think they do it, but can't get to their site at the moment to verify. Edit: https://www.dwilsonmfg.com/Folding-Front-Sight-Installation_p_33.html |
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Posted: 1/9/2024 8:36:35 PM EDT
[#16]
S H A M E L E S S
 OK OK I'll get going 
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Posted: 1/11/2024 5:32:32 AM EDT
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Here's an interesting piece of history, it's a KAC gen 1 FSGB with matching Krieger/CLE barrel that was apparently used in the KAC SAM-R testing. I've owned these parts for probably over a decade, and they've just gathered dust in the back of the safe.
Are these rare? I'm assuming that these parts would probably be good for a correct USMC SAM-R clone build, right? No idea what to do with them, I really don't want to work on another build. Back in the safe they go, I guess. I also found a photo of some of the KAC SAM-R test rifles, all 5 of those test rifles are using the gen 1 FSBG like the one I have. It's also interesting to see them using the Triple Tap instead of the A2 flash hider (as issued).    |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 7:44:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: Here's an interesting piece of history, it's a KAC gen 1 FSGB with matching Krieger/CLE barrel that was apparently used in the KAC SAM-R testing. I've owned these parts for probably over a decade, and they've just gathered dust in the back of the safe. Are these rare? I'm assuming that these parts would probably be good for a correct USMC SAM-R clone build, right? No idea what to do with them, I really don't want to work on another build. Back in the safe they go, I guess. I also found a photo of some of the KAC SAM-R test rifles, all 5 of those test rifles are using the gen 1 FSBG like the one I have. It's also interesting to see them using the Triple Tap instead of the A2 flash hider (as issued). https://i.imgur.com/RSZaOsJ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/HPKenXY.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Ztb1Bve.jpeg First-world problems.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 7:56:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: https://i.imgur.com/RSZaOsJ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/HPKenXY.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Ztb1Bve.jpeg Bridge that gap. 
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Posted: 1/11/2024 8:22:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: Here's an interesting piece of history, it's a KAC gen 1 FSGB with matching Krieger/CLE barrel that was apparently used in the KAC SAM-R testing. I've owned these parts for probably over a decade, and they've just gathered dust in the back of the safe. Are these rare? I'm assuming that these parts would probably be good for a correct USMC SAM-R clone build, right? No idea what to do with them, I really don't want to work on another build. Back in the safe they go, I guess. I also found a photo of some of the KAC SAM-R test rifles, all 5 of those test rifles are using the gen 1 FSBG like the one I have. It's also interesting to see them using the Triple Tap instead of the A2 flash hider (as issued). https://i.imgur.com/RSZaOsJ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/HPKenXY.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Ztb1Bve.jpeg |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2024 9:07:45 AM EDT
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I just managed to source a Gen 1 FSGB, and now I'm waiting on a Krieger barrel from WOA since CLE closed their commercial sales 2 days before I got it.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 12:18:45 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By siles76: I just managed to source a Gen 1 FSGB, and now I'm waiting on a Krieger barrel from WOA since CLE closed their commercial sales 2 days before I got it. Speaking of WOA, anyone here use their SDM barrel? Seriously considering one now that a CLE is out of the question. |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 1:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTM20: Speaking of WOA, anyone here use their SDM barrel? Seriously considering one now that a CLE is out of the question. Woa is amazing. My mod H can do half moa. My BCM-R above has their 20" SPR on it and it's boringly accurate at .75" nice lil triangle groups all day. I'd totally go with them if the profile is right for your liking. Seriously, for the price it's a quality item. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 12:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTM20: Speaking of WOA, anyone here use their SDM barrel? Seriously considering one now that a CLE is out of the question. They don't have a sexy following like Noveske, but the majority of people shooting WOA barrels are high power competitors; they're good to go with a decades long track record. My replacement barrel will come from them. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:40:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Camaro69396]
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ringer706: Alright, working on a drawing right now for the old-style faceted DD handguard nut for the SDM-R. Not going to do steel barrel nuts, this is the handguard nut only. Going to up front, it will probably be a little pricey. Can't say anything for certain before I have a quote back from the machine shop and for hardcoat anodizing, but my ballpark guess is that it'll be in the $100-$200 range since I'm probably only going to make ~25. Again, and I can't say it enough, that number is very much subject to change. It's not the cheapest/easiest part to machine. There's probably a reason they went to a mostly turned nut later on with only a few milled flats. Hint: $$$ What I really need to go forward is to know if that's feasible for anyone looking. Probably going to need to do a waitlist to get it off the ground. Gentlemen, thoughts? @FrankW134 @Cyclic240B @M16Alpha2 @eaglefive What ever became of this? I'd be more than interested in an octagonal collar for my rail. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:22:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Camaro69396: What ever became of this? I'd be more than interested in an octagonal collar for my rail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Camaro69396: Originally Posted By ringer706: Alright, working on a drawing right now for the old-style faceted DD handguard nut for the SDM-R. Not going to do steel barrel nuts, this is the handguard nut only. Going to up front, it will probably be a little pricey. Can't say anything for certain before I have a quote back from the machine shop and for hardcoat anodizing, but my ballpark guess is that it'll be in the $100-$200 range since I'm probably only going to make ~25. Again, and I can't say it enough, that number is very much subject to change. It's not the cheapest/easiest part to machine. There's probably a reason they went to a mostly turned nut later on with only a few milled flats. Hint: $$$ What I really need to go forward is to know if that's feasible for anyone looking. Probably going to need to do a waitlist to get it off the ground. Gentlemen, thoughts? @FrankW134 @Cyclic240B @M16Alpha2 @eaglefive What ever became of this? I'd be more than interested in an octagonal collar for my rail. +1, still holding my breath. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 1:22:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankW134: +1, still holding my breath. Same. Though I'll now have to have mine shipped to family in another state if it comes to fruition. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 8:58:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lt1_sport]
[#29]
So how many people are looking for an octagonal collar? I currently have one on my SDMR build that I could reverse engineer and make. Just debating taking the time to machine a batch and go through the hard coat anodizing process as the batch charge is $150 minimum. I already have the aluminum bar stock.
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Posted: 2/4/2024 9:57:18 PM EDT
[#30]
whats the story with Compass Lake ?
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:11:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BSOG1]
[#31]
to calm the storm a little i have a White Oak MK 12 Mod 0 put together by ADCO back in the day that is probably my most accurate AR ever.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:32:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lt1_sport: So how many people are looking for an octagonal collar? I currently have one on my SDMR build that I could reverse engineer and make. Just debating taking the time to machine a batch and go through the hard coat anodizing process as the batch charge is $150 minimum. I already have the aluminum bar stock. I would be interested |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: whats the story with Compass Lake ? If I understand correctly, they stopped making barrels for commercial sales, but are shifting to contract work instead. Just barrels though I'm pretty sure. They're going to finish all the barrels already in queue. Very glad I bought my SDMR barrel in 2022. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:43:15 PM EDT
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northhampton county PA here. how did you the barrel work for you ?
who else could provide a SDM/R barrel ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Camaro69396: If I understand correctly, they stopped making barrels for commercial sales, but are shifting to contract work instead. Just barrels though I'm pretty sure. They're going to finish all the barrels already in queue. Very glad I bought my SDMR barrel in 2022. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:44:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: to calm the storm a little i have a White Oak MK 12 Mod 0 put together by ADCO back in the day that is probably my most accurate AR ever. I had one of those years ago. They were great. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:58:06 PM EDT
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yes, fantastic barrels. everyone on other boards are stroking out about CLE. there are plenty others out there.
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Posted: 2/5/2024 6:58:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: northhampton county PA here. how did you the barrel work for you ? who else could provide a SDM/R barrel ? Northumberland county here. I haven't put any rounds through it yet as I've been gathering all the parts. Not trying to cut any corners and go as clone correct as possible so I've been gathering my parts for about 3 years. The cloner struggle haha! I have the upper all together, currently working on the lower. Planning on slaying groundhogs with the setup this summer!. As for other places to get barrels, I can't say. I went with CLE specifically from the start as they're the ones who made the real things for the AMU. I'm going to let others with more experience answer that one. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 4:34:50 PM EDT
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let us know how she shoot’s, I’ll get pics posted
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:00:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scrapple]
[#39]
Back in 2019ish, I was on duty and decided to get some pictures.
     I recently built this VERY LOOSELY SAM-R inspired rifle.  
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 12:11:49 AM EDT
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https://youtu.be/zKC5DPMDOKA
My contribution to the thread. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:03:13 AM EDT
[#41]
The ever elusive Daniel Defense octagonal handguard nut got me feeling the SDMR blues! Last piece of the puzzle. Gotta love it! Great thread here by the way!!
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:41:57 AM EDT
[#42]
Every few months I pop in this thread and makes me sad that I can't find a KAC FSGB to make my dream come true.
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:08:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: Every few months I pop in this thread and makes me sad that I can't find a KAC FSGB to make my dream come true. PM inbound. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:48:17 PM EDT
[#44]
I've read from veterans that the SDMRs were issued with an Otis cleaning kit. I've seen multiple different styles of Otis M16 cleaning kits and I'm not quite sure which is the one. Does anyone have any more info or photos of the correct one issued with SDMRs?
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:15:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SchlaffTablett]
[#45]
I’ll see if I can dig one up but iirc, it was the rectangular one that came with the Gerber needle nose pliers. That would have been 2009/10.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:23:55 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Camaro69396: I've read from veterans that the SDMRs were issued with an Otis cleaning kit. I've seen multiple different styles of Otis M16 cleaning kits and I'm not quite sure which is the one. Does anyone have any more info or photos of the correct one issued with SDMRs? In 2004 it was either the buttstock kit or the round black M16/M4 marked pouch. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:54:07 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: Every few months I pop in this thread and makes me sad that I can't find a KAC FSGB to make my dream come true. I believe there's one on gunbroker currently but it ain't cheap. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 7:54:55 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By siles76: I believe there's one on gunbroker currently but it ain't cheap. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By siles76: Originally Posted By Super_Trouper: Every few months I pop in this thread and makes me sad that I can't find a KAC FSGB to make my dream come true. I believe there's one on gunbroker currently but it ain't cheap.  At this rate I'll be able to cover a down payment on a house with a complete SAM-R upper. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 3:23:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: $2K+ and the joker has the nerve to charge $22.50 to ship it. At this rate I'll be able to cover a down payment on a house with a complete SAM-R upper. Carl Labbadia is vero defense. hes on facebook. he usually has one for sale. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 8:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Carl Labbadia is vero defense. hes on facebook. he usually has one for sale. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: $2K+ and the joker has the nerve to charge $22.50 to ship it. At this rate I'll be able to cover a down payment on a house with a complete SAM-R upper. Carl Labbadia is vero defense. hes on facebook. he usually has one for sale. |
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